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Post #1 Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:51 pm 
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Instead of just memorizing joseki, I want to be able to understand why certain moves don't work and how you'd be punished for misplaying, who gets sente etc. and really understand the concept behind the joseki instead of simply playing the sequences. Are their any online resources that goes in depth like this?

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:10 am 
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I strongly recommend internetgoschool.com for this. Right now there are 209 lectures on joseki and over 2500 problems that go with those lectures just in joseki. There are lectures for beginners through advanced level and a lot of focus on common mistakes and how to punish them.

I would recommend the "Basic Course" first as it covers the fundamentals of shape without which joseki are harder to understand.

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:50 am 
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I think a good approach is to review your games with particular emphasis on the corners. Note that I say corners, not joseki, because you may not be playing joseki. Go to josekipedia and see which is the first move which is not listed there and try to understand why. Then try to understand why all the previous moves in the sequence which were given there are actually playable.

But one thing to understand about joseki is that they are simply established sequences which are applicable in the right situation and cannot be blindly followed without reference to the adjacent corners.

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they are simple established sequences which...
cannot be blindly followed without reference to the adjacent corners entire board.


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Post #5 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:45 am 
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Kogo's Joseki Dictionary is, as I understand, a little out of date, but I really like it. It's basically just a heavily commented SGF file, so you can open it in any viewer/editor of your choice. There's also a free Android app called BW-Joseki for studying while traveling.

It's a little clunky but it does provide explanations/rationale for moves; do this when you want to favour the top side, tenuki here is very risky for black, even though white claims the corner this sequence is considered even because... etc.

Since it's out of date, don't get too attached to the exact sequences. Nonetheless it's certainly a great resource for your level.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:00 am 
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I second DrStraw's suggestion of starting with your own games. If you have a corner where you have questions about the play, look up the sequence in a joseki dictionary or other reference, and compare the sequence of play and the result with joseki. One advantage is that the sequence came up in one of your games, so the joseki is applicable to your own play, another advantage is that you have already thought about the possible sequences of play, so that you already have some understanding to build upon. :)

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Post #7 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:09 am 
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I like learning through http://ps.waltheri.net/ . There are no explanations, but it does give a lot of possibilities of moves and context in pro games.

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:23 am 
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I just remembered this channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/weiqimaster/videos

It's inactive, but it has a bunch of videos on joseki sequences and follow-ups that I think is exactly the sort of thing you're looking for. It shows how to punish misplays in joseki etc.


Of course, the best way would be Guo Juan's go school problem system. You can get a free 30 day trial, but I warn you. If you keep at it you'll get strong fast and end up paying for a year of subscription because her system is so effective :)


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Post #9 Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:55 am 
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Semi OT, but related ... There is also the josekifarm.com site, it is a playful tool for memorizing your josekis. Just beware that the josekis there appear sometime strange. Form your own opinions.

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