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Author:  KOCMOHABT [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Fenring wrote:
A question, is this (not yet?) implemented or maybe i just dont find the option: add time to my opponent during the game?


It will be in the nearest version.

Ember wrote:
There's only one thing I'm missing right now and that is the sound. Is it just me or is it missing?


The sound is enable in your own games. I'm working on settings page right now, when it will be done you will be able to turn on/off sounds in other games.

Ember wrote:
Oh, and I have one question concerning privacy: In the original client there's an option to hide your email address from other users, in GoUniverse it seems as if it shows the address by default. Is that true?


Not it is not. If email is private you won't see it. Moreover, the server doesn't send me an email field in this case. Example:
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Ember wrote:
I really love to use automatch, more than 90% of my games I play using it. Will you implement that, too..?


Automatch will be implemented in the nearest version as well. It will in the "PLAY" menu.
Author:  yoyoma [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Couple minor issues:
- I played a game, when into scoring, marked dead stones. After both players press done, the dead stone markings disappear.
- When I load a game from my history, the toolbar only has undo, pass, resign. No editing tools.
Author:  KOCMOHABT [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
yoyoma wrote:
Couple minor issues:
- I played a game, when into scoring, marked dead stones. After both players press done, the dead stone markings disappear.
- When I load a game from my history, the toolbar only has undo, pass, resign. No editing tools.

It would be cool if you would tell me more precisly which games encountered these issues. Players names and date-time will be enough.
Thank you.
Author:  yoyoma [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
KOCMOHABT wrote:
yoyoma wrote:
Couple minor issues:
- I played a game, when into scoring, marked dead stones. After both players press done, the dead stone markings disappear.
- When I load a game from my history, the toolbar only has undo, pass, resign. No editing tools.

It would be cool if you would tell me more precisly which games encountered these issues. Players names and date-time will be enough.
Thank you.


I had the dead stones problem in both "yoyoma vs HelloPenta" and "BasicsBot vs yoyoma". I would expect you would see it in any game if you just play a quick game with a bot to the end. Do you not see that?

For demonstration games it happens for any game I load, I tried around 5. Here are my steps: I'm in the English Game Room. Right click my name from the list on the right. Left click Games tab. Right click yoyoma vs HelloPenta. Load in English Game Room (not private). In the toolbar I only see Undo Pass Resign. I'm expecting to see the editing tools like forward/backward etc.
Author:  Ember [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Today I played my first game via GoUniverse and it was great - not only because I won ;-P but because the client did beautifully in every aspect. One thing I'm missing a little is the small chat window in the window where you create a game. I wouldn't usually need it, but in the German Bundesliga it has proven to be very handy. My workaround was contacting the opponent via private chat and explaining why I might not answer there and it was ok, but having the window there someday would be nice. :-)

The other thing that I noticed after the game is that playing through a game record is still quite laggy which makes discussing the game a bit less fun. Will there be some changes here later to speed it up?

Oh, and one more thing: I tried to install GoUniverse in Chrome on my tablet and I couldn't - are tables not supported or might the reason be that my tablet is already very old? (although it runs Chrome Version 52.something)

But these are rather minor aspects. GoUniverse is great! :clap: I'm looking forward a lot to using it from now on and to the update that contains automatch.

KOCMOHABT wrote:

Ember wrote:
There's only one thing I'm missing right now and that is the sound. Is it just me or is it missing?


The sound is enable in your own games. I'm working on settings page right now, when it will be done you will be able to turn on/off sounds in other games.

Thanks for clarifying!

Ember wrote:
Oh, and I have one question concerning privacy: In the original client there's an option to hide your email address from other users, in GoUniverse it seems as if it shows the address by default. Is that true?


Not it is not. If email is private you won't see it. Moreover, the server doesn't send me an email field in this case. Example: [...]
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Yes, you're right. I was checking with one of the few people who haven't checked the option and was too excited to check more people.. Sorry. ^^;

Ember wrote:
I really love to use automatch, more than 90% of my games I play using it. Will you implement that, too..?


Automatch will be implemented in the nearest version as well. It will in the "PLAY" menu.[/quote]
One word: YAY!
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:20 pm ]
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Hi KOCMOHABT,

Small, minor suggestions:

- Replace "Kind" with "Type" for the column header for game types: R, F, T, D, P, 2, etc.

- Offer an option to toggle between R/F/T/D/2 with the spelled out types Rated, Free, Teaching, Demo, Private, Rengo, etc.
It's minor, but the single letters R and F could be easily mixed up in a very long column.

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Author:  letsbefriends [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Color coding the background of the different types would also work well. In CGoban-h, free games are marked with green, teaching games with yellow, private games with grey, and rengo games with red, which helps greatly to distinguish the game types at a glance.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:48 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hi KOCMOHABT,

Minor suggestion: now that each player's rank has its own column ( which is very nice ),
the UI may appear cleaner without the square brackets [ , and ].

Sample 1:
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Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:56 pm ]
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Hi KOCMOHABT,

Minor suggestion -- I'm sure you're working on it for a future release.

Joining a Rengo game offer -- after clicking OK -- automatically logs off the user. :)
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:13 pm ]
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Hi KOCMOHABT,

Minor suggestion :)

I can move pop-up windows above the black border --
once this happens, there's no way for me to move the pop-up window,
because the window's top is now hidden behind the black border.

If the window has an OK button, or a Cancel button, then I can close it:
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Otherwise, like the About window, then once the window's top is hidden behind the black border, then I cannot get rid of it, can I ? :)
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Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:07 pm ]
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Hi KOCMOHABT,

Minor suggestion/feature request:

The current Game Info pop-up is nice --
could you also merge the other info into it ?
That is, also include: game type, and Time settings details, etc.

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Thanks.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:00 pm ]
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letsbefriends wrote:
Color coding the background of the different types would also work well.
In CGoban-h, free games are marked with green, teaching games with yellow,
private games with grey, and rengo games with red, which helps greatly to distinguish the game types at a glance.
Yes, a well designed and well thought out interface with good taste is nice.

Avoid featuritis / feature creep ; bad designs in general.

Clean-ish; buttons too busy:
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Clean-ish; buttons too busy:
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Clean-ish:
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Clean:
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Clean:
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Featuritis 1:
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Author:  Ember [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:
EdLee wrote:
Hi KOCMOHABT,

Minor suggestion: now that each player's rank has its own column ( which is very nice ),
the UI may appear cleaner without the square brackets [ , and ].

Sample 1:
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Sample 2:
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I really like sample 2 with the name coming first.

I thought about color-coding the game types (red for rated, green for free, etc.), too, but I agree that this is not clean. Now that thanks to KOCMOHABT we have a modern-looking, clean way to play on KGS we have to be careful not to overdo it. Although I'd suggest some minor sound changes for the chat sound and the sound when you put your stone on the board if AFTER the critical stuff has been dealt with AND you're still willing to do this, KOCMOHABT. I cannot imagine how much time you already put into this, but the results so far are great and your work is MUCH appreciated! (cannot emphasize that enough!)
Author:  KOCMOHABT [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Ok

Would be done
1. "Kind" will be replaced with "Type"
2. Brackets will be removed in list of games and list of players.
3. Info window for games will be extended with "TimeSettings"/"Type"/"BoardSize"
4. You won't be able to move any window away from view area. (for now you can restore position of "about/info" window by clicking "about/info" for second time)
5. Will be fixed issues found by yoyoma
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:09 am ]
Post subject: 
Thanks! :clap:
Author:  KOCMOHABT [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Version 1.3.1

1. Added flashing for countdown like in original client. (So now you can play without a sound)
2. From now you wont be able to move any window from client area, also all windows now are scaling to area size.
3. Fixed bug with loading own games
4. Fixed bug with clearing all territory marks after the game ends.
5. "Kind" was replaced with "type" in the list of games, also brackets around the rank were removed in the list of games.
6. TimeSettings and type of the game were added to the info about the game.
Author:  EdLee [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:49 am ]
Post subject: 
Thanks! :)
Author:  Koosh [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Wow! This project has really grown in leaps and bounds. Nice work.

Happy to provide some feedback.
[u]Feedback 1
Just an off the hip comment, but what about making the second counter larger or more graphical (make it look like a game clock, for example)?
http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1foXrJpXXXXbJXXXXq6xXFXXXz/Professional-LEAP-I-go-font-b-Chess-b-font-Clock-electronic-Game-Set-multifunction-Timer-Count.jpg

Feedback 2
Separately, I think the 0.1 second running countdown is a little distracting. I'm not sure how other folks think.

Feedback 3
I suspect that you're just focusing on the programming elements right now, but I'm excited at the prospect of seeing a graphic designer work on the board and stones a bit. I was impressed by Panda 2 when it came out. It'd give your modern client a very sharp look.

Aesthetically pleasing links.
https://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/2016/03/go-game.jpg
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/files/2016/01/shutterstock_342026210.jpg
:mrgreen:
Author:  Dunkel [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Hello,

How I can update the Chrome extension with the new version ?

Regards.
Author:  Ember [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GoUniverse (New KGS client)
Koosh wrote:
Wow! This project has really grown in leaps and bounds. Nice work.
Feedback 2
Separately, I think the 0.1 second running countdown is a little distracting. I'm not sure how other folks think.

I agree that this is not necessary and a little distracting, but I don't think it's urgent. Concerning the look of the client: I think it looks neat as it is. GoPanda looks very nice, too (I admit I like the sounds there better ^^; ), but GoUniverse is already such an improvement compared to the regular KGS client. IMHO automatch implementation and making game reviews faster (the reaction time when you use the arrow keys is veeeery slow) would be my top priorities for now.
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