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#232 TIM82 vs Skydyr
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Author:  TIM82 [ Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O 6 5 . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 O 9 8 . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . . . . . . . O X . 7 X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My last move was bad and I had to sit on my hands to not change it after posting. But let's sail forward.

Author:  skydyr [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X 3 X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . 1 . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O 6 5 . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O 4 O 9 8 . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . 2 . . 0 . . . . O X . 7 X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the interest of full disclosure, I accidentally saw the hidden text in the previous post, though I can't say that my analysis was much if any different.
I've been looking for a while to see if I could play one point above my previous move, but I think white can cut and fight favourably, so this looks to strengthen the stone in sente while sealing off part of the center. I'd love to be able to take d2 in sente as well, followed by L15. B16 would also be quite nice.

Author:  TIM82 [ Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  skydyr [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

I must apologize, as I got busy and forgot about this game. I'm open to continuing if you are.

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nothing special going on. Pretty certain this is sente against the lower left group.

Author:  TIM82 [ Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

Happy to continue - though I think I have forgotten at least some of my previous plans... Good opportunity to make better ones then?

On mobile now, pain to edit diags, but to get things going, I propose D7-C8-C2 sequence for starters.

Author:  skydyr [ Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Accepted.
I've been doing a lot of thinking, and I don't see a working threat for white in the vicinity of :b82: despite all the aji above. I'll probably need to come back and fix something around here later, though. I'm tempted to just play above :b82: instead, which feels calm, but I'm not certain that it's sente.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | 5 M X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | 6 . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think capturing directly is either.

I talked about L15 before, but it can be cut, and I don't see a benefit to it, so I'm left with the upper left.

Author:  TIM82 [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

B17

Author:  skydyr [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm81 Position after white's move.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still thinking, will move later.

I just recounted, and assuming white doesn't get too large a center, I think I'm pretty solidly ahead, but some of my positions are a bit precarious. There's a lot of aji in the center, as well as in the right side group. As such, I'm aiming to get rid of the center aji in a proactive manner now, since it seems the most dangerous. I'm leaving my last move as it is, since it removed followups from white's hane, but returning there is large. I'd also love to take L5 or something like that and turn my moyo fully into territory.

I'm looking at the bottom left group again before I move, though, because my spider sense keeps tingling.

Author:  skydyr [ Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 8 X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Didn't find anything beyond a sente capture of B7, and it could activate aji around here anyways depending on white's response, so I want to take care of it.

Author:  TIM82 [ Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 8 X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X 9 . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not so happy with the situation. Trying to stop B from getting too big area around here, and at the same time to activate some aji on right so that I could get some use of my ill-advised previous atari there.

Author:  skydyr [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . 1 . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O O X . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 8 X . . . . O X . O X X . |
$$ | . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . 0 . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X 9 . X O O . . O . . |
$$ | . . 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I did some brief reading but this is pretty instinctive. I expect hane underneath rather than crosscut.

Author:  skydyr [ Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

I don't want to rush you, but are we still playing?

Author:  skydyr [ Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: #232 TIM82 vs Skydyr

I haven't heard from Tim82 in a while, so I'm calling this game and will be looking at the comments now.

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