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Author: | Amelia [ Mon May 27, 2013 1:05 am ] |
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Thinking about my next move after this sequence
a feels most natural, taking territory at the bottom and jumping ahead. However it leaves weaknesses behind
I don't like back's shape much b is safer but pushes the cart from behind. It feels too slow.
One way to give myself better shape is to push first, preferably in sente:
It leaves a forcing move for white at a but now white is the one with a cutting point.
This takes points in the corner and robes white of a potential base there but I'm not sure it is sente and white can still push me around at a and b, even though my stones are a bit safer. At the moment I feel like playing this way:
The invasion at a doesn't cause me any concern as long as white doesn't reply to my approach move, so I doubt Ed would play it. This board looks fine enough to me. I will need to think it over. |
Author: | Phoenix [ Mon May 27, 2013 8:59 am ] |
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Some of us will remember this joseki.
This is the regular continuation, and it nets Black sente. It's interesting how is a point Amelia did not so much as consider. At the end of the sequence, the marked Black stone is in an awkward and vulnerable position, but it's hard to decide whether to play between it and the UR corner stone or a double approach at a. Both areas are miai for White, but White's a would work well with a later bend at b. I've just woken up, so let me know if my little analysis is deficient. |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon May 27, 2013 10:02 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Mon May 27, 2013 10:04 pm ] |
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Very nice to study the many variations in Ishida and Takao, thanks to Amelia. |
Author: | Amelia [ Mon May 27, 2013 10:39 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:03 am ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:07 am ] |
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Rejected the cut variation:
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:10 am ] |
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Earlier, for , rejected the cross-cut, messy variations, even though W can fight despite the ladder.
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Author: | Phoenix [ Tue May 28, 2013 9:30 am ] |
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EdLee wrote: Earlier, for , rejected the cross-cut, messy variations, even though W can fight despite the ladder.
I don't get EdLee's "messy variations" and "despite the ladder" comments. |
Author: | Amelia [ Tue May 28, 2013 11:44 am ] |
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After playing around with all sorts of sequences with the general idea of further extending on the side, I decided that it was too low to keep crawling at this point. I'd rather do this:
I figure after this white would normally love to have a stone at the marked place but will not have one. I take points in the corner and on the side. If Ed plays around a I'll push at b to fix my shape, if he plays at c I'll play at d and vice versa. |
Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:25 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:29 pm ] |
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Phoenix, Phoenix wrote: I don't get EdLee's "messy variations" and "despite the ladder" comments. It's because I was completely confused about the ladder. I thought the ladder was good for B. I would've played Takao's variation, extend to directly, without the (a) atari first:
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Author: | Amelia [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:32 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:41 pm ] |
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Author: | Amelia [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:47 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 1:59 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Tue May 28, 2013 2:00 pm ] |
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Was expecting some kind of double approach:
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Author: | Amelia [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:16 pm ] |
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I hesitated quite a bit on this one just to end with a standard joseki answer... I'm still driven to the bottom and look for good moves around K3, I'm not sure why. All that to end up with the conclusion that it's not the important area to play in right now. If the usual joseki goes on I'll (finally) extend on the bottom. Then I'll have to look for a way to develop my position at the top. I've made points but my position at the bottom is still also fairly low. I need to balance that somehow. |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:23 pm ] |
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Author: | Amelia [ Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:38 am ] |
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Sorry for the delay. I'm spending too much time procrastinating and not enough actually thinking, so I decided to just go for the obvious move. Basically letting white play play at 21 is too painful. So tenuki isn't an option. Extending further is tempting but white has some good backup to invade later and my two stones on the left would become very weak very quickly. So joseki move it is. If white further extends on the side to complete the joseki, I guess the top will be the next biggest place for both of us. |
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