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 Post subject: Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Post #61 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O 7 X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O . X . O . O X 8 . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O 9 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #62 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:11 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O . X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . 0 . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I compared this:
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O . X O O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


with this:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O X X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I prefer the first because there is immediate profit + left over aji.

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Post #63 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:58 am 
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Post #64 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O 1 X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X 2 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #65 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think kirby lost some points on lower right corner...

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Post #66 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:38 pm 
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I feel somewhat depressed that he tenuki'd... I'd better not play depressed.

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Post #67 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:40 pm 
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Kirby's play seems like that of a masochistic schizophrenic: he plays some moves (e.g. h3 or l2), and then has a change of heart and decides to hurt them (f4 and p2). Sometimes this kind of back and forth is a good high level technique, say probing to overconcentrate your opponent, but here it just seems inconsistent and bad.

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Post #68 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:53 pm 
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@Kirby and obs

Kirby wrote:
I compared this:
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O . X O O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


with this:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O X X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I prefer the first because there is immediate profit + left over aji.


Well in the first why did white play n3? That looks rather silly. I would, and Magicwand did, cut. What's the point of l2 if you don't connect at l3?

I much prefer the 2nd diagram where black makes his lower side stones work together instead of random dead stones dotted around. White r2 was just an incidental kikashi, but then Kirby went schizo and decided capturing it was important. Next black could do something like below to make his stones (including h3 and f7) work together.

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O 3 1 X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O X X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . 2 4 . X O O . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kirby said he wanted to approach the right white stone from the top (presumably r13) which is a good move, but he went and lost sente!

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Post #69 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:11 pm 
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That makes sense, Uberdude. I do not know why I cannot (or do not?) think logically like that.

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Post #70 Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:52 am 
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Sorry for taking a long time on this move, Magicwand. I was caught by surprise with your sequence, and didn't want to rush the game without thinking.


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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Normally it would be good to play this move if I had support in the marked area:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's because if white approaches the other side, it is helpful in fighting:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b5:, above, splits white and the support is useful.

However, in this situation, I feel OK about playing this move, because he has invested in a two-space extension, and if he does not respond, I can damage his two stones.

For example, if he makes an extension, I can proceed to try to attack further...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 . . . 2 6 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Basically, it is a pity that I did not play on the right side first. I let him get sente. That is saddening. So I am trying my best to make the most of the marked stones:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . B . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In the diagram:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 . . . 2 6 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b9: actually feels somewhat cramped. But at least I do not have to worry about :b9: getting attacked, and I can more freely try to attack the two white stones...

Maybe I'll play :b9: somewhere else, first:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 . . . 2 6 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In any case, I want to try as hard as I can to attack the two white stones here.

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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i have made this game close but i can not clearly see that i am ahead yet..
i will keep playing aggresive until i am sure i dont need to.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Splitting is the only way I can make sense of my current strategy.

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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 8 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think the game is about even.. maybe i am ahead little.. little more then i expect him to resign.

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Post #76 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:41 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I play this way, it is natural for white to do this:
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[go]$$Wcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and that leaves potential for me to play at the marked spot in the future.

If I play this way:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White may play as above, and I don't like that against the pincer stone I just played.

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Post #77 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:18 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #78 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:03 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O . . X . . X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O O O X . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X O O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I changed my mind. I think I do not play solidly enough. This seems slower, but less likely to explode in my face later.

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Post #79 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:08 pm 
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It's been awhile since I have polled the audience for constructive criticism. Could I have some, please?

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 Post subject: Re: 145. Magicwand vs. Kirby (Christmas Special)
Post #80 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:58 am 
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Your avatar makes me giggle. Anyways :P

You're doing well so far I think. Some minor mistakes like in the lower right. You're pursuing the right strategy so far, I just hope you have the reading to back it up. You've got the territorial lead, so just keep up the pressure and you should be okay.

The only thing I might have done different...

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I might do this just to make this a territory game where I hold onto a small majority and grind him out the rest of the game :P

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