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22. Araban (5d) vs. zinger (1d)
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Author:  zinger [ Fri May 21, 2010 6:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

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Probably I will lose the D16 stones soon and resign.

Author:  Solomon [ Fri May 21, 2010 6:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

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The sequence I was talking about in the last video; 1 - 6 is inevitable if he wants to save the top stones, 7 is the geta I'm (pretty) sure works clean. Variations to come in the next video depending on his response.

Author:  Solomon [ Fri May 21, 2010 7:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

Hmm...maybe I should have left out 7 and played up to 5 instead, seems like it gives away too much information. What if my opponent didn't read out 7 for instance and assumed the group would live up to 6?

But I also feel that it's just more truthful this way. And since the point of a Malkovich game is to learn and teach rather than to win (that's not to say I've been pulling back punches), I felt it was more appropriate this way. And of course, there's also the possibility that 7 is just a donk net and I misread.

So, in a nutshell, I'm very divided on this issue.

Author:  topazg [ Fri May 21, 2010 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

To Araban:

Araban wrote:
Hmm...maybe I should have left out 7 and played up to 5 instead, seems like it gives away too much information. What if my opponent didn't read out 7 for instance and assumed the group would live up to 6?

But I also feel that it's just more truthful this way. And since the point of a Malkovich game is to learn and teach rather than to win (that's not to say I've been pulling back punches), I felt it was more appropriate this way. And of course, there's also the possibility that 7 is just a donk net and I misread.

So, in a nutshell, I'm very divided on this issue.


I know the feeling well, and it's why I never tend to trigger my tenuki (a point I made in my current Malkovich game about numsgil's trigger). However, I also agree that that's part of the point of Malkovich games to learn. It's the reason why I want my next Malkovich game to be a completely open Malkovich game against whoever wants to play.

Author:  zinger [ Fri May 21, 2010 8:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

I assume Solomon has read this out and my stones are dead. Which would force me to resign. But there's no harm in doing a little reading of my own first, even if it's only an exercise. So I will think about it for a little while.

Stay tuned ..

Author:  zinger [ Fri May 21, 2010 8:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

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hahah, nothing to lose at this point.

Author:  Solomon [ Fri May 21, 2010 8:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

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I promise I'll add a video here later, but I'm in a library cramming for an exam in 60 minutes. I read out this move though (hopefully).

Author:  zinger [ Fri May 21, 2010 8:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

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ho hum last chance

Author:  Solomon [ Fri May 21, 2010 8:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

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Just wrapping it up now, I'll just make one big video at the end if Black resigns here since now I'm certain the group is dead unless I made a gigantic misread (I've had my moments of hallucination). If Black doesn't resign, then the game is very comfortable for me.
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If Black plays at either 'a', then I connect at 'b'. If Black plays 'b', then I block at 'c'.
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Author:  zinger [ Fri May 21, 2010 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

I resign. My plot to escape by first cutting at 2-2 doesn't work due snapback.

Well done Solomon :)

Author:  Kirby [ Fri May 21, 2010 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

This was a fun game to watch. The 2-2 idea is interesting, even if it doesn't work. I didn't consider it.

Author:  Solomon [ Fri May 21, 2010 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22

Thanks for the game zinger, I learned a lot :).

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