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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Post #121 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:44 am 
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Wow, the position played out as I expected ... that doesn't happen all that often. :D

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: opening
Post #122 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:23 am 
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EdLee wrote:
Hidden until the opening is finished, :)
Interesting -- at least 3 pro games with this opening, from 2000, 1960, and 1933 (Go Seigen was B, Kitani Minoru was W).


Wait, I was Kitani Minoru? Awesome!

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Post #123 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:36 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
for obs only:
cut doesnt work...
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[go]$$Wcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 6 X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X 5 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 3 2 1 . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 9 O O B O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


MW: That's pretty much what I read, if he cut on that side. Did you have a better answer to the other cut than I did?

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Post #124 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:44 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
EdLee wrote:
Hidden until the opening is finished, :)
Interesting -- at least 3 pro games with this opening, from 2000, 1960, and 1933 (Go Seigen was B, Kitani Minoru was W).


Wait, I was Kitani Minoru? Awesome!


Does that mean I get to be Go Seigen?

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Post #125 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:46 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Going to see if I can force here and try to make territory on the top. We'll see. Might be asking too much, but I feel like pushing from the other side doesn't work either, and this leaves at least some chance of profit.



I see. So presuming that the cut did not work, this move was an aim to get territory in this area:

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[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . C C C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . C C C . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . C C C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . C C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is that correct? I thought that this move was interesting in the game.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 120. Kirby versus Chew(2k?)
Post #126 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:38 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Going to see if I can force here and try to make territory on the top. We'll see. Might be asking too much, but I feel like pushing from the other side doesn't work either, and this leaves at least some chance of profit.



I see. So presuming that the cut did not work, this move was an aim to get territory in this area:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . , O . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . C C C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . C C C . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X . . . C C C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . . . . C C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O O . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . O . . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . O . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is that correct? I thought that this move was interesting in the game.


Kind of. I had decided that the top was more interesting than the mid-bottom (or else I might have capped at O9). I was still debating, though, between trying to cap territory or make an invasion in the right side around R14. Regardless, I wanted stones/strength on top.

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Offline perceval
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Post #127 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:32 am 
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good game, it was entertaining :salute:

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