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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #181 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Did you also consider capturing immediately? What made you turn that possibility down?

Kirby:
I considered both. I decided that since he would have to go back and connect around G4, either way. I am betting that he is playing this now in an attempt to get G4 in. After that, if he connects at E6, it is a sente threat to pull out E3. I'll have to consider, but if he does this trigger and then plays G4, I will at least consider capturing D6 to remove his sente option.

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[go]$$Bcm150 This seems slightly better for W on the edge, though both are gote
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X 3 X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . 4 . 2 1 O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline yithril
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #182 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm150 Prisoner Count: B-3 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This protects the top cutting point. I lose quite a bit on the left, but I really didn't think it would hold with such weak shape and a moyo next to it. I played the forcing moves at the bottom so that even if he gets sente to capture I can force to get rid of points. My main focus is to keep the top left center area from becoming more than say 5-8 points (hopefully less).

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #183 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:22 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm150 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X C C 5 O . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Big trades are pretty fun. I think this is worth the points I'd lose out on as opposed to defending the left, and it also fixes the sente issue I referenced in response to Kirby's question. By the way, if anyone has thoughts on my decision that Kirby asked about, please let me know now that it's past.
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[go]$$Bcm150 Prisoner Count: B-3 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . 6 X O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O 8 . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X C C 5 O 7 0 O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X 9 O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . a O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what I'm thinking about, though I may try to fit in more sente stuff between 55 and 56. I'm thinking he'll back down if he can find a point where it's possible, so 56 is the move I'm least sure about. I'll read it again before I play it or anything else, though. This far, however, seems profitable.

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Offline yithril
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Post #184 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:31 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm150 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . 6 C O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O . . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #185 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm152 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . 8 O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O 7 X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O 6 . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O 9 . O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is the only sente worth fitting in before my sequence. I'm actually not sure which option he will pick to defend. All of I see either end in sente with a small gain for me (letting me cut at H4 if I want) or end in gote but give me everything south of H5 with no reduction.

Obviously, feel free to reject or accept any of the trigger offered.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #186 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:16 am 
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i think black is ahead...
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Offline yithril
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Post #187 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:38 am 
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[go]$$Bcm152 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O X X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X 0 O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #188 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm162 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O X X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is sente, threatening to cut. Yeah, the bottom is about what I imagined when I said he might prevent me from getting everything below. However, as I said, I can take the three stones any time I want once I'm willing to take gote to do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #189 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:10 pm 
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@Chew
Sente for what cut? f11? That just dies.

You played nicely in the lower left exploiting white's weaknesses, but your :b56: and :b58: were bad moves, 56 was particularly bad and aji keshi as it strengthened h12 considerably. The correct time to play 1 point sente moves like this is precisely before you would be sad if your opponent played the reverse sente there, but that is not the case for a long time as there are plenty of much bigger moves left. In fact j13 has made your d10 a much worse move, without it seems (I've not done bulletproof reading) black has the following tesuji at g12:

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[go]$$Bcm162 Tesuji?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . 2 . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white answers on the outside black has a crosscut tesuji:

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[go]$$Wcm165 White hane outside.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 2 3 O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black connects he gets a semeai he loses:

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[go]$$Bcm168 Connect bad.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . 1 X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 O X O O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . 2 X O 6 . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 7 3 5 . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But instead black plays counter atari which lets him cut off e11. Before 70 it would be nice if he can play atari at a and white connects, but maybe white resists. In fact black might not gain as much from capturing e11 as he loses giving white 69, but it better to have this sort of aji to work with later than not.

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[go]$$Bcm168 Cut e11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . a 2 X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 O X O O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 3 . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white plays the other atari black breaks into white's centre (again maybe can atari at a first):

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[go]$$Wcm165 Other white atari.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 2 6 O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X O 4 . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . 5 a . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White could also play counter-atari but then black gets a huge picnic ko to trash white's centre:

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[go]$$Wcm165 Other white atari.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 8 7 X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 2 5 O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X O 4 . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . 6 . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . O . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So white has to back down with something like this:

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[go]$$Bcm162 Submissive white
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 . O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 3 O . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 6 4 . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . 2 . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But you played the j13 j12 exchange and now all those variations don't work anymore:

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[go]$$Bcm162 No longer tesuji
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O . X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 4 5 X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 3 O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . 7 . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . 2 . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With every sente move, always think, "Does this exchange help me? What options does it lose?". It is so easy to play aji keshi.
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #190 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Uberdude, if you write @Chew, he'll interpret that to mean he can read it. But I don't think that post should be sent to Chew in the middle of a game.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #191 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:27 pm 
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hyperpape wrote:
Uberdude, if you write @Chew, he'll interpret that to mean he can read it. But I don't think that post should be sent to Chew in the middle of a game.


Oh, then I'll wait to read it, thanks. And please let me know when I can, now I doubly want to know!

edit:
Whoops, I think I figured it out. Double-checked my reading, and realized I cannot, in fact, cut safely.
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[go]$$Bcm162 I was reading this
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O X X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 4 6 O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 3 5 . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm162 Instead of this.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O X X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 4 . O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 3 5 . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm162 Plan b?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O X X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 5 O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O 4 6 . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So yeah, seeing hide tags makes me paranoid. Clearly I need to just make myself paranoid to read better...

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 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #192 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:08 pm 
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@Chew
Well, the only thing about the future in it is what you wrote in your hidden, so I think it should be ok for you to look at it now :) . But I am new to the etiquette of Malkovich so maybe more experienced people should say. Most of it was about a recent mistake of yours and I thought seeing as that misake had already been made it would be better to look at it now instead of wait ages for the game to be over.
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 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #193 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:09 pm 
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Sorry, it was really my misreading the post. I missed that the move in the center had changed the position.

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Post #194 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm162 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O O X X . . X O O O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X X X X X X O O X X O X . |
$$ | O O X X . . X O X O O O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . O X O O . X . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O . O . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X . X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . O . . . X X O O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . X O X O O O O . X O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O X X O O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . O X X O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . O X . X X . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . O X X O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if He gets this area he makes 10 points or so which would be awful for me. I think I'm behind. Not resign level behind but behind nonetheless.

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Post #195 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Hey Chew, you there man?

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Post #196 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:18 pm 
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yithril wrote:
Hey Chew, you there man?


I'm kinda concerned too - he's totally vanished for a fortnight :(
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