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Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
That's a good move. Very little aji in that corner now, though. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Value: 50.3% Black was undecided for a while between this and the one space jump:
a - 63% b - 27% Sequence:
notice the exchange, sacrificing the top to go for a big center moyo. |
Author: | ez4u [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
@emeraldemon What did fuego test for besides K18? |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
ez4u wrote: @emeraldemon What did fuego test for besides K18? Not much: a - 94% b - 2% c - 1% d - 1%
Perhaps if I do this again sometime I will tinker with ways of having it explore a little more. |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Sorry for the delay. Black's last move is great. My plan is to stabilize this stone in the center without conceding the top. My other nearby stone can hop into the corner if necessary. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Value: 50.6% sequence:
black spent 96% of playouts on this move, but was a bit torn on white's followup. it played 56% on the top as shown, and 38% J17:
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Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I have no idea what to play. Let's try here. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Value: 50.4% It's interesting that Fuego feels that the game is very close, but Daniel_the_smith seems to think that he's in trouble. Sequence:
Although black spent 92% of playouts on the jump, there was significant variance in white's response:
a - 64% b - 16% c - 12% d - 4% e - 3% Here's a territory chart: Attachment: territory.png [ 385.62 KiB | Viewed 9173 times ] |
Author: | Laman [ Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
i had doubts already by the move 46, but now it looks clear - wouldn't have K17 been better?
it preserves possible underconnection with F17 (though sansan should be preferable to that) and it doesn't induce black to strengthen his group on the right |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Laman's move was probably better, I forgot that it enabled a connection. This group is really unhealthy, let's try to fix that... The other stone can take care of itself. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Value: 50.0% exactly! Sequence:
Kind of a crazy sequence. |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Another good move from the machine. I am not doing great here. But it's not over yet. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Value: 50.1% Move think time:
a - 64% b - 20% c - 5% There were a lot of interesting ideas about white's response:
a - 24% b - 23% c - 18% d - 17% e - 6% Personally I like the jump at d the best, it's my first instinct in this situation. But I can understand the appeal of sacrificing F17 for thickness. I feel glad that Fuego searched so widely at this important decision, instead of assuming a single move like it does sometimes. Sequence:
Questions: Is there a serious risk to white's stones on the right side (i.e. R15)? Can white mount an attack against the two black stones on the left? |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I think the consequences are dire if I don't answer this one. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Value: 50.6% Sequence:
top three choices:
a - 59% b - 20% c - 5% |
Author: | Magicwand [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
for obs only: soon as i saw this move...i said "NO!!"
answering is correct but white have to answer as below.
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Author: | bayu [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
magicwand and obs: Can you please write, why w54 was incorrect? I liked whites answer (from a 3kyu perspective) because it gets access to destroy the black center and reinforces the corner. Actually, I would have played at the submissive spot fuego considered (R15), lacking any good ideas. So I was sure that the winning chance prophecy by fuego would drop after the actual game move w54. I was wrong again. Enlightenment highly appreciated. |
Author: | Magicwand [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
bayu wrote: magicwand and obs: Can you please write, why w54 was incorrect? I liked whites answer (from a 3kyu perspective) because it gets access to destroy the black center and reinforces the corner. Actually, I would have played at the submissive spot fuego considered (R15), lacking any good ideas. So I was sure that the winning chance prophecy by fuego would drop after the actual game move w54. I was wrong again. Enlightenment highly appreciated. this is better than actual game. but it is wrong because black can tenuki and white can not do too much damage on black.
if black tenuki from below then will make that into useless stone. which means black is more likely to answer and you secure your corner in sente.
i didnt do much reading but i can sense that corner can be invaded too easily. that is why is wrong.
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Author: | mitsun [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I had the same reaction as MagicWand -- the marked W move leaves the corner too thin; B has too many invasion points. If W tries to block all incursions, he gets into trouble fast:
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Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Hm, I think black picked the wrong area. The right could get large, but if I stabilize all my stones here, I'll be able to deal with it just fine. |
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