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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #81 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 1 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That group is still not near life so i can play on elsewhere so Well i'll take the move i was expecting him to play (go proverb: The enemy's key point is yours) now this changes up the cut fight because of the last two stones played

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X 2 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 1 O . O 3 X X 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 4 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


its alot of different ways this could go, but i have more liberties so its good for me... so lets see what happens :study:

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Offline EdLee
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Post #82 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:23 am 
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Hmm... :w50:: if :w1: instead, at least W can save some of the bottom
(the :wc: stones look very unhappy):
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . W . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . X W . W . . |
$$ . . . . O X X . X . X W . . |
$$ . O . O X 1 O . O . X X . . |
$$ . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$------------------------------[/go]
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Offline EdLee
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Post #83 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:34 am 
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With :b51:, broken shape for W at the bottom, and the :wc: stones _still_ look unhappy:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . W . W . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . X W . W . . |
$$ . . . . Q # # . X . X W . . |
$$ . O . O # # Q . O . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$------------------------------[/go]
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Post #84 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:00 am 
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In 1986's variation, :b6: allows W to connect back with :w7::
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[go]$$W
$$ . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ . . . . O X X . X 1 X O . . |
$$ . O . O X X O . O 2 X X 6 . |
$$ . . . . 7 . 5 . 3 4 . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$------------------------------[/go]
Instead:
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[go]$$B
$$ . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ . . . . O X X . X O X O 4 . |
$$ . O . O X X O . O X X X 2 . |
$$ . . . . . 1 O . O X 9 8 3 5 |
$$ . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . |
$$------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Nathan
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #85 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:27 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm52 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For this move I have considered both a and b below.

Both these moves feel important however if black gets b that seems worse than black getting a. Therefor I feel b is the correct move.

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 1 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #86 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm53 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hmmn, maybe he will double hane
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[go]$$Wcm52 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . 1 . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

lets finish this side up before i move elsewhere, 1st do something big, then finish it & then do something big again... :study:

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Offline jts
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #87 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm53 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X 8 4 O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 6 7 . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X 2 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X O 5 O 3 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder what Nathan will do with this cutting aji. This significantly improves the health of his group. (From "dead" to "almost dead", perhaps?)
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In 1986's variation -- For some reason the bad habit :b55: descend is very difficult to fix:
1986 wrote:
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[go]$$Wm52
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ . . . 5 . 1 . . . X O . O . . |
$$ . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ . . O . O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------------------[/go]
B needs not reply to :w3:, but if B wants to, the local reply is connect at :b6:, not descend:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 . . . X O . O . . |
$$ . . . . 4 O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ . . O 5 O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ . . . 3 2 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Nathan
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #89 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:25 am 
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[go]$$Wcm54 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The below sequences seems bad for white
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[go]$$Wcm54 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 6 5 X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 3 O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm53 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 3 O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #90 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


no double hane, oh well i think this move is good flow of the stones and it stops him from jumpin in my moyo... lets continue :study:

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Post #91 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm56 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X 1 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here I am theatening to split his group and allows for the follow up move of n5 to create an atari and move out to the center
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Offline 1986
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Post #92 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O 1 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


well everybody knows i have been talking about this fight for a long time now, the big difference is im alot more solid on the left side and these two white stones (m3 o3) are already dead, well lets see if my reading paid off, i was expecting the nobi next :study:

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Offline Nathan
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Post #93 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 2 X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O 1 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move keeps sente and pushes out to the center and also begins to threaten to connect.
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Offline 1986
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Post #94 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:47 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X 1 X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


this is sente of coruse i gotta stay connected and keep him seperated, thats a basic thing in Go

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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #95 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:34 pm 
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:w58: is another move that I think I remember at around their level. It's sente right? Yes, but so is extending. This move just induces black to fix his weakness while not getting much in exchange.
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For Nathan, after the game,
Nathan wrote:
This move keeps sente...
One common misunderstanding/confusion at these levels is good sente moves versus bad ones:
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[go]$$Bm57
$$ . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ . . . O . . 2 X O . O . . |
$$ . . . O X X 3 X O X O . . |
$$ O O O X X O . O 1 X X . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$----------------------------[/go]
With :w58: - :b59: you immediately make a broken shape for yourself:
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[go]$$B
$$ . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ . . . O . . Q X O . O . . |
$$ . . . O X # # # O X O . . |
$$ O O O X X Q . Q X X X . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$----------------------------[/go]
As Puppycakes noted, if you simply extend with :w1:, it's also sente, but with better shape:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . X . 1 O . O . . . |
$$ . . . O . . . X O . O . . |
$$ . . . O X X . X O X O . . |
$$ O O O X X O . O X X X . . |
$$ . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$----------------------------[/go]

Not all sente moves are good. Some are bad sente moves.
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Offline Nathan
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Post #97 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X 1 X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Sorry for my slow play... I will try and play faster.
My head hurts... :-?

Ok so here are some rambling thoughts

My group has a lot of aji here so I need to get more solidified before I venture too much further out.
I need to settle to create at least one eye near the wall.

I am considering both o7 and p7 to solidify my position but they also ffeel very passive.

I am considering s3 to settle and put a little pressure on his group. But it feels like it will be gote.

I could try and play p8 but I think my group is too weak to start attacking.

Also after all this corner business he has built up a huge moyo that will be difficult to come back from. But giving up doesnt sound fun at all.

The more thinking this game requires the more I am procrastinating each move. Not good.. Need to start being more diligent.
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Offline 1986
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Post #98 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


im expecting Nathan to connect or nobi either way i can swallow up the stones to the left if i ever feel like this group gets under pressure, i wonder how he is planning on making life over here, thats what im thinking about hmmmn :study:

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Post #99 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am worried about him playing the sequence below to steal my eyespace But at this point I dont know what I can do about it.

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O 5 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O 3 O 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline 1986
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Post #100 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm63 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


he is trying to create some eyes, not on my watch im going in for the kill :rambo:,

first im going to hit the vital point, well its more like the area where it will be easiest for him to make eyes, and its a nice one space jump from my stone, so its a natural progression instead of just a shot in the dark, another benefit is it makes q5 so detrimental

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