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Post #81 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:11 am 
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For beginners. :b55: is bad -- Basic Broken Shape for Black:
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$$ . . . . . . .
$$ . . . . . . .
$$ . . . X . . .
$$ . . . , . . .
$$ . . @ B X . .
$$ . . @ @ . . .
$$ . . B . . . .
$$ . . . . . . .[/go]
Wanderling wrote:
Why do I feel like he has the advantage in this fight?
What Marcus said about confidence, which comes from improving your basics, such as understanding about broken shapes.
Twitchy Go wrote:
First to defend the upper portion by defending my small knight against a cut...
Wrong.
Twitchy Go wrote:
Attaching at 'b' gets me an eye...in gote...
Wrong.

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Post #82 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Not ready to make my move. But wanted to put down some of my thoughts so far.
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[go]$$Wcm59 Captures: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O B X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . c O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X b a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wow. The marked white stone is scary. I havn't finished reading out life and death. But I'm really really looking for a way that doesn't just give white a lot of thickness facing the bottom of the board. I mean perhaps I could maybe live on the bottom after the exchange. I'll probably at least have the reduction at 'a', which could also be a forcing move to invade with. But that opens up a nasty corner reduction for W once he blocks 'b'.

Looking back at the post that accompanied the marked black stones play. I want to slap my self. I don't want to be greedy.. So I'm going to play away from the fight to try to take fifth line territory.. :oops: Heck playing away would have been better. I forced an exchange that strengthened White! I'm killing myself.
All I can really say to justify the move in retrospect is that I was probably afraid of W repeating the invasion in the upper left.

Well now is the time to start poking around to see what aji I can rustle up. My area of choice is the left side near the small knights move. I do the least harm to my potential territory by strengthening white here. If I induce a defense of the large knight connecting K14 and L11. White might get strong enough to invade deeply behind my iron pillar on the right. Now the points that look really interesting to me are 'c' and 'd'. 'c' will either give me an eye outright, or cutting points to make use of. I'm expecting to have to create complications for life though. :mrgreen: 'd' is unfortunately an unfavorable ladder, but I see some really interesting aji there if I can make the ladder bad for White. But this is always where I have trouble. What do I do first! Attaching at 'c' has some lines that make cutting at 'd' less attractive. But I can't try to set up a ladder breaker either. There's no way White wouldn't notice it. And if white defends I might lose all my aji! Right now though I think 'c' is probably going to be my move.


Edit: Changed my mind before I made rest of the diagrams.. so just left them out :lol:


Last edited by Twitchy Go on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #83 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Looking forward to your move, Twitchy- I am sure it will be a monster.

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Post #84 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Re-posting my last move since it was numbered wrong. Thanks for bringing to my attention Twitch.

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Post #85 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:19 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

simple plan. Cut the small knight and try to make an eye where white doesn't defend.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 7 6 . O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 3 O 1 . 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 O 6 8 9 . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O 1 3 7 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
These are some of the more straightforward lines to illustrate the point. It's a bit of a rough way of handling things. But this group is in trouble, so much so I think I'm at the point where bad exchanges might have to be made to live :cry: Especially since its basically game over if it dies.

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Post #86 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure how exactly to kill black's group but if he captured the marked stone his chance of living would be great I think.

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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #87 Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #88 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Fyi we are on hold until Twitchy gets back from trip ETA 8/3, in case anyone was actually following our game.

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Post #89 Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've received orders to resume. Soldier on! :salute:

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Post #90 Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:18 pm 
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Fyi we are on hold until Twitchy gets back from trip ETA 8/3, in case anyone was actually following our game.

Of course we are following the game. Keep it going! :clap:

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Post #91 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | c X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a b W O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . e . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White can't play at 'a' or B can double atari for an eye, if W connects at 'b'(why? I don't know, but it's an option ok :D) B connects A and has an eye. e doesn't work because B plays 'b' the either captures or plays at A10. c should be whites best local line unless I'm hallucinating.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 5 4 W O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 8 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | O X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X 1 X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And we reach ko to connect. W has a decent number of ko threats in upper left, B has a few internal threats, as well as threats on whites top group. Additionally the lower right corner is still invadable in ko.

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:10 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Eye in gote is the result I want.

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Post #93 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:41 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm going to play out my planned sequence. WC8-A10. Now B will have an eye and I can theoretically make the second one pressuring W top group.
I will admit to some worrying about W playing the one of the moves I said "don't work". I have a few different ideas on that.
1) I'm hallucinating and about to die horribly.
2) W is content with black living small in gote to play elsewhere.
3) W doesn't like ko. This last point is somewhat empirical. I think it would have been better for W if there had been ko for life in the bottom left corner but W backed off to let B live unconditionally(gote though). I don't think I have the advantage on ko threats as W has a whole lot of pressure to bear on my top left group.

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Post #94 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:47 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder what he has planned.

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Post #95 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #96 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:22 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I chose this instead of sealing him because of "safety first". I know what you're all thinking: White has no territory! Yeah... :scratch:

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Post #97 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:40 pm 
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Bump in case Twitch didn't get it.

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Post #98 Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:42 pm 
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With apologies to both Wanderling and any observers I'll work on my time management so that I don't have to go off the grid finishing assignments every few days :oops:
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[go]$$Wcm68 Captures: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | X X X X X B . X . 7 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . 5 4 2 , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . 6 X 3 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . .a . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The normal point to poke this shape doesn't end in a cut thanks to the marked :black: If W does peep I can still get out from behind enemy lines. Therefor white will probably try to keep black in more loosely or tenuki elsewhere. The likely scenario following that line is a huge territory exchange with both sides using their center thickness to mount deep invasions at a and b.(approximately). I'm not sure if that's a good trade for me but it seems like scrambling to live locally is way passive.

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Post #99 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:42 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O . O . . X . X . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really start to suck in mid-game. Here I want to stop him from connecting out and 'aim' at the upper right side. Hidden comments to me by pros are appreciated.

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Post #100 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:41 pm 
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A few thoughts on the board
This is an interesting point in regards to direction of play. I see three general options.
1. My center group isn't safe enough yet, keep strengthening it.
2. I should solidify my territory on the upper right now that I've strengthened my center group.
3. White stands to gain more territory from his moyo then i do from mine, I need to invade.

I think my group is strong enough as it stands, but the question is how will moves in other parts of the board effect this? If I invade W bottom then I could be either giving him thickness to continue attacking, or creating a weak group(the worse outcome) that gets chased and split from my center group.

I think white is a bit to strong in the center to try to make my upper right to big, but it might be worth it to play a move to try to reduce invasion points/aji.

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