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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #81 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Only consistent move here, so easy choice :p
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #82 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:28 am 
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 5 O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Was not sure that this push is forcing when I looked at it again this morning, but I think I have satisfied myself that it is.

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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #83 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:17 am 
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 6 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I want to draw back instead, but then white can play as below and there are two weaknesses at "a" and "b" (white probably has even harsher responses).
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . a 6 X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 7 5 O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . b . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #84 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:31 pm 
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I think this is slack. If it's the best result I can get, I'm not too disappointed, but I really think I can play at a instead of playing atari.
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[go]$$Wm47
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . 3 . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . a . 2 1 X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #85 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:24 pm 
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I still can't decide.
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[go]$$Wm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is hopeless.

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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 7 . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . a b . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 6 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think this is the right move. b certainly doesn't work for Black. But after a, it can become complicated, and I'm not sure I have read correctly.

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[go]$$Wm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . b . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 2 1 X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X a O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . c . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This may be too passive. Anyway, there's no good local followup, and Black can seal White in with a-b-c.

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[go]$$Wm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 2 . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X 1 O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 6 3 X 8 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe.

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Post #86 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:27 am 
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[go]$$Wm48
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . X . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 1 X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If black plays simply, he does better than the previous diagram, but I still get my head out in the center. I think :b51: is forced, after which a reduction play around a seems like the next order of business. Black's territory in the upper right is getting quite substantial, and I'll have to count this.

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Post #87 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 5 O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Nothing new to add, though it occurs to me that I can make this move or this and the next move and then return to the left. So my next move will also require thought.

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Post #88 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Feels like too much thinking to me. See below for tewari of expected continuation. 48 obviously looks misplaced.

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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . 5 O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 9 6 7 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #89 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:14 pm 
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . 9 . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #90 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:30 pm 
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$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O . . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 0 . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I definitely like the spirit, but this doesn't feel like right timing. I am trying to seal in sente and I think with one more move my centre will become annoying.
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Post #91 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:50 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X 5 O 1 3 4 X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 6 X 2 X 7 O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This gives Black a lot in the center.

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[go]$$Wm50
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 4 7 . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X 6 O 2 5 . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 1 X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Quite awkward to handle for White.

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[go]$$Wm40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 6 . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 O 4 . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 1 X 3 X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There are interesting options after this.

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Post #92 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:43 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O 1 . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Decided on this. The territory is big, and White still can probably get his head out in the center well enough to handle things. In particular, if I carve out Black's eyespace, he can't easily build anything in the center because he'll have to care for his group. There is also a nice ko for Black when he wants it, but it's a very hard ko for Black to win, so I don't feel that bad about it.

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Post #93 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:18 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X . O O . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 2 X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #94 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:51 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X 3 O O . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X 2 X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X 3 O O . . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 4 X 2 X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #96 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:04 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O 5 . X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X . O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So many exciting things to say!

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Post #97 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:25 am 
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The size of Black's moyo in the center got a bit out of hand. How will White try to reduce it? Is this the plan? :D
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O 5 7 X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X 6 O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 9 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #98 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:55 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O 5 7 X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X 6 O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Feel free to reject trigger.

I considered also the hane, but then after white cuts the two stones are dead and there's not many useful forcing moves from those stones. This way I get to patch up my outside.

p.s. I'd be happy to answer questions if anyone wants more details over my thought process :)
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Post #99 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:40 pm 
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Hey, that's a big trade! I should count, and read. I didn't actually anticipate this :b55: even though it's probably better for B than what I'd read.

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I'd be happy to answer questions if anyone wants more details over my thought process :)


What do you think about the current position (in case the trigger is accepted)--e.g., who do you think is ahead, is the lead small or insurmountable, et cetera?

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