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 Post subject: Re: #176 - Blake vs. skydyr
Post #21 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:52 pm 
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[go]$$ White 13
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X W X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


White 13. I can only count this as an unexpected gift, probably due to skydyr's thinking too much. I wanted sente, now I get it; I anticipate this sequence:

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b d 3 1 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . a X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . c O O 2 O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The questions after :b1: to :b3: are: which corner should White address first? Does white a through black d hold any attraction? It could be seen as small, but the reverse sente is grossly forcing (beginning with Black at c). This could be seen as a vital point. From the size standpoint, the top is clearly the most important; it's very open, with both stones in the corners on the fourth line.

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:01 am 
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[go]$$cm14
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:04 pm 
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[go]$$B White 15
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O W O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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illluck wrote:
Clearly the connection is the only reasonable local move here.
Yes. :b12: = :shock:
W missed the :w1: hane for :w15::
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . B . . . . .
$$ | . 1 X X O X X . . ,
$$ | . . O O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:39 pm 
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@Edlee:
That's a cool move, I didn't see it either. However, I would probably still play the connect in a real game because it's clean and clearly sente.

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Post #26 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm16
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I realized after I moved that I didn't think about this move by white:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . W X X O X X . . ,
$$ | . . O O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------------[/go]


That would let white connect under and make the ko pretty irrelevant for black, so I'm glad white didn't take it. I don't think black would be left with a lot there otherwise.

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Post #27 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:26 pm 
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However, I would probably still play the connect in a real game because it's clean and clearly sente.
The hane connects out and is very big. W can connect the ko later. :)

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Post #28 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:03 pm 
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@Edlee,

Yes, I agree that the hane is probably better, but my reading is pretty poor and it's a bit fuzzy in my head XD My thinking is that white can play a move to help that stone anyways since there's no pincer so this is a good enough result for me in a game.

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Post #29 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:22 pm 
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[go]$$B White 17
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


White 17. The bottom left is settled enough for me. If I get to play here again, there is a sequence that I find interesting for the side:

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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 X X . . . . .
$$ | 6 1 X X O X X . . ,
$$ | . 4 O O O O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


The corner group won't make much territory, but Black's wall will be rather useless.

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Blake wrote:
If I get to play here again, there is a sequence that I find interesting for the side:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 X X . . . . .
$$ | 6 1 X X O X X . . ,
$$ | . 4 O O O O a . . .
$$ | . b . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]
...but Black's wall will be rather useless.
On the contrary, W is dying -- :black:(a) and (b) are both sente. ( :w1: + :w3: ) makes no sense.

If W wants the left side, just jump directly to :wc:, without hurting W's own corner:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . W . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X X . . . . .
$$ | . . X X O X X . . ,
$$ | . . O O O O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]

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Post #31 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:40 pm 
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Regarding Blake's comment: agree with the possibility to make the side uninteresting, but definitely don't agree with giving a ponnuki (leading to a much stronger wall) for no real reason (especially because after that sequence black can kill the corner).

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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 X X . . . . .
$$ | 6 1 X X O X X . . ,
$$ | . 4 O O O O . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . 8 . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


I would seriously consider playing as below directly because right now a pincer by black on the left side looks pretty big.

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[go]$$W White 17
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 3 O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


If black plays 5 at 4, then white can tenuki and leave the cut aji.

Edit: just looked at ed's comment, perhaps extending directly is better than my proposed sequence of playing hane first, but then a black hane feels kinda annoying, so it's hard to decide.

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:17 pm 
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I'm going to ignore all context and take this to mean I made the right choices in our game and shall surely win.

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Post #33 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:23 pm 
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Yeah, I definitely felt I played some strange moves in that one (or rather, it feels like I got really busy in that game) XD But I don't feel like I've really fallen that far behind yet (if at all). Bring it! :rambo:

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Post #34 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:08 pm 
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It was definitely a joke. As for what I'm thinking about our game, you'll have to wait and read the hide tags. I'm giving away nothing.

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Post #35 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm18
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


A general idea of what I've been considering:

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 1 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . 3 . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O M . . . . . . 3 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


The extensions down the side, the keima, and the kosumi are all ways I could strengthen the top left to prepare for a dual-purpose extension down the side to get rid of aji from c6. The pincers serve the same purpose, but I feel they are less likely to end in sente, although they do take a big point at the same time. The tenuki to the bottom right is an idea of mutual damage, and might work well with a turn at the marked spot following.

I suppose I could also start a fight with the one-space low pincer like so:
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[go]$$Bcm
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . 1 7 . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . 6 8 . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


It does let me get 5 in, but I'm concerned that I wouldn't have time to capitalize on it.

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Post #36 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:39 pm 
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[go]$$W White 19
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


White 19. To be honest, this is more of a probe than anything... I want to see how Black responds to this press. If he is submissive, it will help to negate the thickness ont he bottom left while building up a wall for myself, always desirable in a handicap game. And, of course, the corner is still open. Personally, I hate playing the 2-space high pincer, and this is why.

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Post #37 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:47 am 
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I know the honest move is the one space jump, but I'm kind of tempted to play the marked trick play to see what he does. I've never actually had it come up in a game. Of course, I'm pretty sure he knows it too.
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . M . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


You know, he says he's rusty... what the heck. It's the fun move.


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[go]$$Bcm20
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #38 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:56 am 
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I've no idea about Blake, but I don't know that trick play

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Post #39 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:43 am 
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That looks similar to the 18 and a half point trickplay:
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[go]$$Bcm20
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure how the difference placement affects the sequence, though. Looks complicated.

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Post #40 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm20
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


This black move is bizarre. Not what I expected at all. Usually, this is either a mistake on my part (a misreading), a mistake on my opponent's part, or a trick. Since this is such a non-obvious move to play, I think it's a trick.

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . O . . . . .
$$ | . B B B O . . X . ,
$$ | . B O O X X . . . .
$$ | . O O . O . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]


This is what I read if I try to push into the jump. I'll end up with the corner. I think the thought may be to sacrifice these stones and shut me in. My reading is vague beyond this point (reading is never my strong point), but I can't see how this will turn out well for Black. I don't see how the white group can be shut in.

What's the harm? I'm going to go along with the play and see what happens.

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