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Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Post #61 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bring it on.
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #62 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:37 pm 
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This is the most exciting game I've watched since I saw Alakazam play the Captain. My favorite current game (that I'm not in) is still Joaz versus Sol, but this is certainly crazy-exciting.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #63 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Post #64 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:46 pm 
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some analysis..point "a" is very very big. i wish i can get smooth flow to play that move.. but i dont see them now.
that move will put the dragon into a danger and gives me points in mutual sente which means X4. i dont wanna miss such point.
1) attacking that lonely stone and build influence.
2) goto "a" and attack...
that is my gameplan.
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . a . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #65 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , W O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Post #66 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X B X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Post #67 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:58 pm 
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sofar i expected harder didnt have any taugh time leading.
i am about 10 points ahead. and i see that he is playing an overplay..so i dont see him winning this game.
i will try to limit my moves tonight..(enjoying my beer and wiskey)

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Offline Violence
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Post #68 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:02 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My pincer had this double meaning. I want to aim at his thinness.
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Offline topazg
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Post #69 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:05 pm 
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@Violence:

Why not approach the top right then play the other side with the favourable ladder?
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #70 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:06 pm 
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if it was a teaching game i wouldnt mind playing drunk..
since it is a pride game i will sleep on it if you dont mind..

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Offline Violence
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Post #71 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:11 pm 
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I'll take that as a compliment. Sleep well.

@topazg:

If I approach the top right, I think he will iron pillar the weak stone, making him much stronger than I want him in this area. The iron pillar fixes the ladder because he has a sente peep that makes the loose ladder work. A double approach on the top right isn't very severe.

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[go]$$Wc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X 3 7 . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 4 X . 8 9 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since we're taking a break, any other questions are welcome. I'll try to explain my thought process as best as I can.
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand
Post #72 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:16 pm 
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Since we're taking a break, any other questions are welcome. I'll try to explain my thought process as best as I can.


I'll ask the question I ask most often: What is your plan? What response do you expect and what are you aiming for? What do you expect the board will look like 5-10 moves from now? Are you afraid of anything?

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Offline Violence
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Post #73 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:19 pm 
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Terr,
My plan, after he approached the top left, was to make it so that his group stayed unsettled, and allow me to attack him here at his thinness. There are many responses, I don't expect anything, mostly roll with the punches. I see mostly favorable variations here.

I'm most afraid of him outreading me. I don't think either side has done that yet.
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Post #74 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:36 pm 
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Question for Violence:
One question regarding a previous move of yours:

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would never get the idea to play this myself - and I do not understand it.

What I suspect is that if Black R7 you will probably answer like this and then Black Q8 would not be sente:

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . 1 3 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is that a reason for your move? As White I would just have played R7 - what is the advantage of your move? Thanks!

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Offline Violence
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Post #75 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:39 pm 
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My thinking is not about safety. It is simply that I'm already alive with very little aji. He's thick around here, so I should play further out. If he tries to take territory from the other direction, and I hane'd instead, he can advance one space closer. It's just a faster move, s'all.
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Post #76 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:42 pm 
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I appreciate how I can come back to this game, look at the time of the last post, think that it's probably something I've already read, only to find that > 10 moves have gone by.

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Offline Violence
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Post #77 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:47 pm 
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Oh wait, you didn't ask a question. I have thread subscription on, so it emails me whenever someone posts here. My knee jerk reaction to seeing your post was to hit post reply and type your name, then hit the hide button.
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Post #78 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:48 pm 
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Offline Harleqin
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Post #79 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:55 pm 
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I would have played R7 and double hane without thinking much, and I believe that it is better than the looser keima.

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Post #80 Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:58 pm 
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[go]$$Wc Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White didn't consider this move (sorry to be late, I come from work and just notice this malkovich game), so it's bad.

Though :
- it's sente
- it gives Black bad shape

Why is it bad then ?
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