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 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #221 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:26 am 
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2-3-4-5 trade... is not good.
it appears to give him security of the corner...but does it???
it help make my moyo grow..and didnt do anything for his corner.

i suggest ppl dont play that move if you want to improve..
there is reason why that shape never appears on professionals' game.
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



compare above variation and my choice of 2.
can you see that below is better than above???
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #222 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:37 am 
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marcus: thank you for enjoying my game..and guessing my next move.. :)
i played that move because it is simply better move than other approach on below postion.
main focus of my this game is his points vs my influence.
he ignored my influence and went after points sofar.
my thickness is growing rapidly and few more moves...it will be so scary that he will need to think about invasion. which is usually not a good idea..
his worry about my influence caused him to jump into my area of operation which is still wrong answer IMO
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think this is correct move...for black
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Post #223 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:43 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
My guess:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: Unhidden. :)


i thought about above....but didnt like it due to two space weakness on the wall..
that is why decided to make it stronger by peep exchange.
influence game is not simple as build influence...influence has to be weakness free in order to cash the check.

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Post #224 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:09 am 
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questionable move..
i can sense that he is afraid of my moyo.
that fear forced him to overplay.
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My influence already reached critical point IMO.
He had to play such move in order to have a chance of winning.

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Post #225 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:38 am 
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Thx for playing this game, and thx Magicwand for the analysis!

Always a lot of fun with MW's games :bow:

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Post #226 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:59 am 
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Ok, Magicwand, this running ramant through the L19 admins has got to stop.

You just beat Topazg. Again. You have beaten Kirby more times than it is polite to mention.
And back in 2010 you beat Fwiffo.

Someone must uphold the honor of the L19 admins.

It's time, Magicwand: you vs me.

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Post #227 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:41 pm 
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Two stone?

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Post #228 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:37 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
Two stone?


Let's see...I'm currently 1D AGA, and have dropped temporarily to 2K ( gasp! ) on KGS. You are 4D on KGS. How about 3 stones? Or two stones plus a modest komi?

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Post #229 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:04 pm 
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Three sounds fine

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Post #230 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:12 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
Three sounds fine

I'm looking forward to following this game

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Post #231 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:29 pm 
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