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 Post subject: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow
Post #1 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:03 pm 
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Post #2 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:11 pm 
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I'm in a fun and free mood right now, so lets go with balanced 5-4 points unless he does something weird.

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:25 pm 
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IS HE MOCKING ME?! Last game I totally messed up against an unconventional opening and now Skydyr starts off in the same way as Otenki. If only I manage to stay calm...

Last game I played orthodox, so let's try a chinese variation this game.

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Post #4 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 pm 
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If he takes the corner, this transposes into what I wanted to play anyways. If he doesn't, I can take it, having prevented a corner enclosure or chinese opening in sente.

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 Post subject: Re: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow
Post #5 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:55 am 
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I had two considerations for choice of response.

1) Because of the open corner I'd like to end in sente here.
2) Because of his 4-5 stone, I 'd like to make the lower side as uninteresting as possible. If a group of mine settles on the lower side quickly, this will be true.

Because of his high approach, I think he will tenuki from a pincer. I think the same will happen after a kosumi or keima.
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That's why I will to play an attachment here. If white tenuki's, I will play as below. But... Skydyr will probably go for the avalanche joseki. :rambo:
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Post #6 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:28 am 
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I have the ladders, so the avalanche might be good. It can easily leave my stones working well together. My other thought was to block above 5 and then tenuki.

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Post #7 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:58 am 
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Like I expected. :rambo:

By the way, Sky, do you want to play open book or closed? I don't really care, both will be fun now you started The Avalanchetm.

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Because I don't know any avalanche variations, I'll have to read them out while we go on. That's why, for an even game, I'll just have to excercise some psychological warfare. Hence the rambo-figure.


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Post #8 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:00 am 
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Not much choice here.

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:05 am 
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You answered my move before answering my in-edited question. =]

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Post #10 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:16 am 
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I thought we agreed on openish, but if you'd like to change that, it's fine by me. Generally if I'm playing open, I'll pick a move and if I feel like investing the time, check to make sure I'm not making some hideous mistake.

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Post #11 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:55 am 
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Okay, let's do that. =] I do the same.

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Post #12 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:03 am 
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Post #13 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:43 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white atari's my stone on the second line, my hane at the head of two stones will be nice. By sacrificing this one stone, I can get more influence in the direction of the top and his wall aimed to the left will be less impressive.


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Post #16 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There isn't really much choice here.

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Post #17 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:59 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After a bit of meditation and a cup of tea, I decided to play a more severe move then the hane.
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:0
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$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If white makes this move (14), I think I can still cut, if he plays 14 elsewhere, you can see the cut just flat out captures white.

So, white will have to defend, or we'll have a nice brawl.

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Post #18 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:19 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 M . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems like an overplay. I'm trying to decide if I can safely extend at the marked point. I see something like this:

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[go]$$W1 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 5 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . 2 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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