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 Post subject: Re: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow
Post #21 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:51 am 
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Post #22 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:00 pm 
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Well, this spiraled out of control quickly. I must admit I'm not entirely sure how this will turn out. This seems to put pressure on the corner while extending white's liberties.

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:09 pm 
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Post #24 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:23 pm 
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Have to save these stones in order to counterattack either the corner or the centre group.

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:44 pm 
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If white had played the hane earlier, the threat of this two stone edge squeeze would withhold him from playing the atari anyway, so I guess jumping is correct. If Sky would hane now, I can still push at R2 threatening life.

All in all, it feels like I am already ahead in this game. Although it has no eyeshape, I like how my wall in the middle extends over the board. It will not get me any big points, but I've reached my goal: Preventing white from getting a huge wall facing his E4 stone.
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Post #26 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:48 pm 
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Post #27 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:12 pm 
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Looks like my corner may be able to make the comb formation even if white gets the first move, so it is unconditionally alive. I kind of want to play R2, because it is sente for my opponent, but if Skydyr is smart he will just extend on the bottom and give me the stone.

Because of this, I feel like making some shape for my wall. Of course, I could just play the last open corner, but I don't feel comfortable with this long string of stones with no shape to speak of. It's not really weak, it cannot be surrounded easily, but it could be pushed around for profit later if I don't make some shape now.
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Post #28 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:03 pm 
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So things have settled down a bit locally. It's time to start thinking either about attack or about tenuki.

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Here is a sente sequence against the corner, but it makes it live outright and it may be a bit early to play it.

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I'm inclined to attack the centre group like this and get it running while stabilising my right side group as a result. I am fairly certain I can end in sente, but not absolutely.

I keep thinking of how I would take the top left corner, but I'm not really sure what I'd like to do there. A 4-4 stone seems so very gote. Playing something with a direction to it seems to either invite a left side wedge or an approach from the top right. A 3-3 seems too low for a board that will likely involve a lot of fighting based on the bottom right.

Hmm...

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:00 pm 
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:w1: is sente because otherwise black is left with a nice dead L group. The problem is that :w7: is gote, and black could do quite a lot with two extra moves. The corner is only 20 points or so, so it may be worth sacrificing for black. I think at this point it's better to attack the centre group, and save that reduction for the late middle game/early endgame unless I need it to live.

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black blocks on the other side, this too looks promising.

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Mmm... It looks like Skydyr's plan is to gain more influence over the lower side while strengthening my group. I don't really see this attachment as threatening, my shape is solid. As we all know, attachments most of the time strengthen the involved groups, so I expect to gain thickness in this sequence while my opponent gains the influence over the lower side.

As his group on the right is still baseless, maybe a severe attack on it would be warranted next. On the other hand... It's taking quite a while for us to play in the last open corner. I see some variations ending in sente with this attachment, so maybe that's what he is after?

If he takes the open corner, I can extend from my upper right hoshi stone to threaten his eyeless group, maybe we can even treat these two as miai?

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Post #31 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:56 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:24 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've thought about whether it is better to make a tiger's mouth facing the bottom, or a tiger's mouth facing the right. Finally I chose the one facing the bottom. I am very interested in the observer's opinions about this. (Of course I'll read if after the game.)

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Post #33 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:11 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I want to solidify this side a bit before I come back to the left and take my territory.

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Post #34 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:14 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm happy he did not play this move. At this moment it is sente against my corner and it makes life for Skydyr's bottom group. This is the perfect timing. If he does not capture, he will have to extend down the bottom, but his last move will be gote. So he will probably capture. And if he does, I will happily connect on the right side. It's like the proverb, http://senseis.xmp.net/?PlayKikashiBeforeLiving

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O C O 9 . . |
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Post #36 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:36 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One more kikashi, costing me a liberty but poking out his eye.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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Post #37 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:52 am 
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This climbs higher, and sets up a play to break black's connection. I will want to extend to approach the top right corner soon. There is a potential ko in the corner, starting with the r1 hane, but it's heavy for white also unless the bottom group is alive without the ponnuki, so I will save it for later.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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Post #39 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:30 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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