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 Post subject: Re: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow
Post #41 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X 1 2 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that was a mistake on black's part. This move captures either 35 or the 4 stone string.

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Post #42 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X 1 2 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X 9 X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Misread. :(

I'd like to keep this 4 stones alive, because letting them die gives him so much thickness. If I keep them alive, I have some nice forcing moves against his bottom group.

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Post #43 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 C 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X 1 2 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X 9 X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I am decently ahead at this point. Black has a weakish group and an insecure corner, while white has nice influence and strong groups on two sides.

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Post #44 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Are we playing so perfectly that no one has anything to say about our game? Or is it just that boring? :scratch:

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Post #45 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:45 pm 
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I'm watching, but I have nothing constructive to add at the moment, except I see some shape study that I haven't done in a while that I should look up again.

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Post #46 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:07 am 
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The thread was visited almost 300 times already. People are watching!
Black has done some horrible things to himself, but he should by no means hang his head.

I wonder whether Black can try something like this at some point? In the current position, it's almost certainly an overplay, but it's something to keep in mind.
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$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

That said, Black should tenuki right now and built up strength in other areas. I would approach the bottom-left corner, hoping for the following sequence. Then, "a" might actually become a legitimate threat.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 6 . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . 5 O 8 . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 4 . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 9 . . . . a . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #47 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #48 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:44 am 
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I think your diagram had an error at the marked point.

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X W O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure I like 41 for black. White's never going to get a huge bottom, and this lets white build influence in the direction that's still open. In addition, black is letting white build influence in the direction of his weak group. It is gote for white, I think, but it seems good enough that I don't mind.

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Post #49 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:11 am 
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Of course not Skydyr, you allowed me to capture those stones. ;)

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X W O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #50 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:13 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O 4 . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #51 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:21 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O 4 . . . , . . O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . 5 . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just a small forcing move.

Wow, my games on the forum have been so stupid until now. Both of them featured a big failure early in the game. Let's play on for a few more moves and see when it is time to resign.

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Post #52 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: White stones:0 ; Black stones:2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O 4 . . . , . 6 O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . 5 . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #53 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:02 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . X O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . , O 4 . . . , 7 6 O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . 3 . . . . . . 5 . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #54 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:11 pm 
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Post #55 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:03 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . O . O X . . |
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Post #56 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:21 pm 
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Post #57 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:36 pm 
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I thought Skydyr would just play this:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 0 O . O X . . |
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His group then has unconditional life, and I have sente to go back to the bottom. The peep aji at K3 is very irritating for me.

In the current variation, we can make a ko:
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$$ | . . . , O O . . . , X O O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . 1 X O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I will not do this immediately, but it is nice to do.

So essentially, Skydyr exchanged life in gote for life in ko by fixing my peep aji. I think this exchange favors me.

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Post #58 Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:06 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To tenuki or not to tenuki...

Living is about 30 points gote. Otherwise, it's alive in ko, with a threat of seki from a ko threat at M7. There is also the ko on the other side, though it needs to be alive for that to work. That's another 25 points or so.

I think my response to the 3-3 was a mistake and I should have tenukied to attack. My concern is that I will live in gote and lose the left side.

This move is an attempt to live in sente. I don't think it's really sente right now, but it should help later, at least, and maybe I'll get lucky.

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Post #59 Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:02 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #60 Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:41 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Push once to protect the cut, then take the empty corner with 5-3.

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