It is currently Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:46 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 101 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #61 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:20 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 447
Liked others: 137
Was liked: 68
Rank: kgs 5kyu
KGS: Unusedname
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm21 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . b . O 6 . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . 4 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


is this too aggressive?

let yourself be split in two and take away black's base?

if B splits make the 24 group stronger at a

or if B protects his base connect at b

it seems easy to settle the 26 group.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject:
Post #62 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:30 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Unusedname,
Unusedname wrote:
is this [ :w1: ] too aggressive?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ . . , . . . . 2 X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------------[/go]
Broken shape for W.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #63 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:29 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 161
Liked others: 26
Was liked: 18
Rank: KGS 10 kyu
KGS: Annihilist
IGS: Annihilist
DGS: Ubermensch
Kaya handle: Annihilist
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm21 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . 6 O 7 . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same idea.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #64 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:05 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm21 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . 6 O 7 . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black just played a thank you move. Blacks move is inducing me to make good shape.
I'll gladly take that offer.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #65 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:57 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 161
Liked others: 26
Was liked: 18
Rank: KGS 10 kyu
KGS: Annihilist
IGS: Annihilist
DGS: Ubermensch
Kaya handle: Annihilist
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm21 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X 9 . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same again.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm21 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X 9 . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My next thought is either a or b. I'm thinking a, for influence, so he has to come into my area and split my groups up top.


I'm away till around the 8th, then I'll be back.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #66 Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:37 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm21 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X 9 . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok I thought about this for quite a while. I can start storming the top and left like a crazy guy but I want a stable shape on the right bottom before.
The reason for this is because I want to start a fight which will probably go throughout a larger area of the center and bottom.
If I'm not carefull then my thickness will be erased because of the weakness.

So I'll fix it first before the rage of war starts starts... :-)

This also makes his shape in the corner weaker and surrounded.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #67 Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:02 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 161
Liked others: 26
Was liked: 18
Rank: KGS 10 kyu
KGS: Annihilist
IGS: Annihilist
DGS: Ubermensch
Kaya handle: Annihilist
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm fairly sure this is my corner now. I expect him to either close off that open skirt, or tenuki. Tenuki is probably better for white as he now has the advantage of sente.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I like a as black as my next move. Develop influence towards center, putting pressure on anything trying to invade the topside, and working against his lower-right wall. b is doable too, but I'd play that only if a was taken or if it were really necessary.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject:
Post #68 Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:55 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
For beginners. :b31: is too small and too slow.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #69 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:23 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
Sorry for my late reply, I forgot it was my turn.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is such a difficult position because we have so many options :-)
- We could create influence to fight on the left side.
- We could expand our framework, forcing black to keep his teritory.
- We could just split the top.

The only thing I'm totaly unintrested in is the right side.

Ok so the first move that comes to mind is leaning on the outside of top left aproaching stone.
This makes the left side weak which should be great for attacking for influence in the center.
Howhever the problem with this is that I give influence to black on the top which is very anoying.

But I cannot have everything, I've learned that much. So what do I do first ?
Splitting the top feels like an option but its so very very goté.

Sigh. What to do ?

I guess I'll just pincer the stone and get a life in the top middle.
This way black does not get to make influence in the center.
OR if he does get influence, it will be influence with aji of white stones there.

Ether way I'll be happy that way.
Now the question is do I want to pincer high, low and how far.

I think i'll pincer far away and on the 3rd line. This move probably does not exist in joseki but screw that :-)

The reason for 3rd line is because I want to make easy life. The reason for far away is so he will probably not pincer my pincer.
And if he should pincer my pincer I have lots of space.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject:
Post #70 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:36 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
otenki,
otenki wrote:
This is such a difficult position because we have so many options :-)
- We could create influence to fight on the left side.
- We could expand our framework, forcing black to keep his teritory.
- We could just split the top.
When you say "we," don't you mean "I" (just yourself) ? Who is this "we" -- you and your puppy? :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #71 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:45 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
For Edlee:

Wow, yes why am I writing this way, I have no idea!
Maybe when I'm playing this malkovich game I never feel like I'm alone at it.
The reason being that I have to explain to someone else what I'm doing so it kindoff feels like other people are also playing only they don't have a say in where the next move goes :-)

We'll (:D) try to refrain from doing so as its very wierd indeed :-)

Cheers,
Otenki

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re:
Post #72 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:58 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1348
Location: Finland
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 129
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
EdLee wrote:
When you say "we," don't you mean "I" (just yourself) ? Who is this "we" -- you and your puppy? :)[/hide]

I guess (s)he's member of some royal family, I believe they refer to themselves in plural, even when it is in fact only one person. Or is it reserved only to the reigning monarch?

_________________
Offending ad removed

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #73 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:01 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
In my language (dutch) we call this royal plural or king's plural.
Since I'm in fact a duke's descendent and not royal blood this can of course not be the case ;-)

Cheers,
Otenki

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #74 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:54 am 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2401
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Liked others: 2337
Was liked: 1332
Rank: Jp 6 dan
KGS: ez4u
Obs:
The marked play by W in the lower right corner is a kind of joseki, I guess, in that it has appeared a few times in pro games. It is clearly based on the desire to prevent Black from moving into the bottom, which happens naturally in the more typical variations.

Black should push at least once - White is going to answer at :w2: or "a", otherwise why choose this joseki? :blackeye: The low play at :b3: below is the most common choice for how to settle the right side. If White answers, drawing back at :b5: is usual then White finishes things up with :w6: or the stylish-looking "b".
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . 6 4 . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O . 3 . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . a 2 W O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here is one example from a no-komi "friendly". Black builds impressive outside influence but White ends with sente to invade the right side.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Cho Hun-hyeon 9d - Cho Tae-hyeon 3d, Discovery Showdown, 1986-04-03
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 1 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 6 . X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #75 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:02 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 161
Liked others: 26
Was liked: 18
Rank: KGS 10 kyu
KGS: Annihilist
IGS: Annihilist
DGS: Ubermensch
Kaya handle: Annihilist
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is pretty much my immediate response. I feel like this move needs to be responded to, and I don't want to give him a lot of breathing space. So I'm putting pressure on his stone. If he jumps out, I'll eat his 3-4 stone and gain a fair amount of territory I'd say, even if I have to fight for it.

I also considered playing on the 4th line as a high pincer, but I think that gives him too much room to gain a lot of territory on the top side. I want him to work for his points. Also he has quite a lot on the other side already.

I still want to play the star point on the right side, it looks like a bit point where I can make a lot of gains, especially with that open skirt. But I think his move is a little more urgent at this stage.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #76 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:16 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . 2 . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Now that I look at the situation again, I realy must make my corner stone work.
I will do this by creating a wall in the center. My 32 stone will be used as aji instead to build the wall which has 2 or at least 1 eye in the corner.

So what does 34 do ? It is a move that invites black to hane.
If black hanes then I can use a bunch of forcing moves to make a wall to attack left side and to live in the corner.

Black can decide to push me into the corner and let me live bigger but I think he will negate the value of influence.
He will probably think its worth nothing. But if I can build influence and chase the left group then I will have control over the center in no time.

This is a difficult plan but if I succeed I think I can control this game more.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #77 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:07 pm 
Judan

Posts: 6725
Location: Cambridge, UK
Liked others: 436
Was liked: 3719
Rank: UK 4 dan
KGS: Uberdude 4d
OGS: Uberdude 7d
@otenki
otenki wrote:
So what does 34 do ? It is a move that invites black to hane.


It invites black to hane and cut your groups apart. That is why 32 is not joseki: it does not threaten to connect under with this attachment. One space low pincer is joseki because then your 34 would connect. Connecting is good, getting cut is bad, basics.

otenki wrote:
If black hanes then I can use a bunch of forcing moves to make a wall to attack left side and to live in the corner.

Black can decide to push me into the corner and let me live bigger but I think he will negate the value of influence.
He will probably think its worth nothing. But if I can build influence and chase the left group then I will have control over the center in no time.

This is a difficult plan but if I succeed I think I can control this game more.


I have no idea what you are talking about! Basics first. Connecting good, getting cut bad.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #78 Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:55 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
@Uberdude

I see what you mean but I was afraid of playing one space low pincer because area on the right becomes too big if he jumps.
My idea was that I could fight on middle left by building thickness of the aji stone 32.
But I guess one space pincer => living in the corner + reducing the right side area is a better/safer plan.

Thank you for helping me see my basic mistakes.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #79 Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:20 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 161
Liked others: 26
Was liked: 18
Rank: KGS 10 kyu
KGS: Annihilist
IGS: Annihilist
DGS: Ubermensch
Kaya handle: Annihilist
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 5 . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was hesitant about this because I wasn't sure about the cross cut.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 O 1 . O . B . . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X 2 4 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can extend from the cross cut and then monkey jump to connect to my stones on the right.

It makes sense for W to attack at a or somewhere nearby, so I'm expecting that after this progression. This, of course, is assuming he cuts. If he backs down, that's even better.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki
Post #80 Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:16 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 415
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 32
Rank: EGF 2k
Universal go server handle: tygempanda
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm31 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 5 . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Making some kind of shape in order to execute previous stated plan.
It threatens to connect or cut. (miai)

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 101 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group