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 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #21 Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:19 pm 
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"Rrgh, there are absolutely no freak natural disasters going on anywhere! How am I supposed to prove myself when everything's so normal and safe?"

Not pincering lets him get too comfortable of a position on the bottom side of the board. I want to break up this area so the game doesn't become too comfortable for him.

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Post #22 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:07 am 
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It is usually a bad idea to complicate a game with a stronger player.

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It is better for black to play like this. Still sente for black, and he hasn't lost the advantage of two handicap stones at all. Fighting could be a fun way to play, but usually not the best way to win.

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Post #23 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:18 pm 
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Post #24 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:55 pm 
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Let me say that I agree with lovelove that :b14: is the practical way to play. At the same time, I used to choose the same pincer that Dusk Eagle played. ;)

I disagree with lovelove about whether Black has maintained his lead. That depends, at this point, on the right side. Black chose the joseki in the bottom right with the aim of attacking the White stone on the bottom side or the White stone on the right side, and has done neither. Nor has he given White any other difficulties. Tilt! Now the question is how much an invasion on the right side, or the threat to invade, is worth. In looking at pro-pro handicap games in the early 20th century and before, I have been struck by how often loosely sketched frameworks become actual territory for White. That is one of the things that happens against a stronger player.


Yes, in a handicap game it is generally up to White to complicate matters. But I think that Dusk Eagle's intuition that Black should not let White have an easy opening is a good one, especially when the difference in skill is small, as in a two stone game.

The problem here, I think, is that Black makes things difficult for himself, as well.

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This is a natural continuation. What does Black do now? White threatens to invade the left side or to attack Black's floating stones. He also threatens to connect his stones on the bottom and right sides, which would blunt the force of a right side invasion. Black has complicated the game for himself.

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My choice.

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I considered playing :b1: below to give my stone some support for the fight ahead, but if white plays :w2: - :w4: I don't like the look of having three stones in a row on the third line. If I were to approach the upper-left corner after :w2: - :b5:, I would prefer to approach from the top side.

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Haengma to bring complications.

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"All of us are scared of that dragon."
"I'm not!"
"...Almost all of us are scared of that dragon..."


I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel under pressure here, but I think I can manage with the sequence below.

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[go]$$Wcm21
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #31 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:22 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 2 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . 3 O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm21 I'm lazy to think about this one.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #33 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:04 pm 
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this would make that peep sour.
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . 2 . . O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #34 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:01 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Oh man, he's giving me an unhidden smiley. Better give one back ;). Perhaps it's because my last move should have been at 3-3? That likely would've been better.

Anyway, I don't want this group to get surrounded and captured, so I have to jump out.

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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 6 . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I feel this is useful for solidifying my shape. If he makes a bamboo, I'll extend as below.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . 2 O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Afterward, I still have the ability in the future to separate his two groups, with a sequence such as the one below.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O O . 2 3 . 7 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #37 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:39 pm 
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Afterward, I still have the ability in the future to separate his two groups, with a sequence such as the one below.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O O . 2 3 . 7 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Is it just me, or does that sequence look very weird?

Should it be:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X O O . 2 3 . 7 O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 1 O 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #38 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:42 pm 
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Your last diagram (where you show the sequence to cut) has White and Black moves reversed.

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@Dusk Eagle Your last diagram has White and Black moves reversed.

Whoops, I normally preview my diagrams before submitting, but I guess I forgot to there. Edited.

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Post #40 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:59 am 
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Black's play seems careless, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to find the best moves.

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