It is currently Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:59 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 96 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #81 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:10 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 604
Location: Séoul, Corée
Liked others: 88
Was liked: 365
Rank: Tygem 5 Dan
Uberdude wrote:
@lovelove:
What's your plan, other than hoping black passes?

I have no idea, maybe I can kill everything and win. I just don't want to lose this game like the one with drmwc's.

_________________
Amsterdam, soon.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #82 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:54 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 452
Liked others: 74
Was liked: 100
Rank: 4 Dan European
lovelove wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
@lovelove:
What's your plan, other than hoping black passes?

I have no idea, maybe I can kill everything and win. I just don't want to lose this game like the one with drmwc's.


:salute:

I was slightly surprised by W 69, since W seems to get into a spot of bother. I was expecting one of the lines Dusk Eagle gave earlier:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . O 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 3 O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 . X X 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X 5 X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was expecting something along these lines. W is still behind, but could still win. For example, if the top becomes 15 points for W, the game should be close. If the sentre also becomes big, W could well win.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #83 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:27 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . X X 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmmm...

These variations get really complicated, but I think his group is dead.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 White dead.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 6 X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 5 X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . 0 . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Or :w1: at :b2:, :b2: at a
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . 9 8 . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 4 X X X 7 . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . a . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . 3 X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . 1 O X 2 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X O . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 7 0 3 X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 O X . 1 O X 2 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X O . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | 9 O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 0 7 3 X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 O X . 1 O X 2 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X O . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | 9 O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X O . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | O O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This might be a problem for me. So blocking at :b4: might not be the best. How about the :b4: below?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | d e 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | c 4 8 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | a 3 X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems to capture him. There's still issues like with the descent at A15 being against both my middle group (due to the throw-in that occurs with white 'a', black 'b', white 'c', black 'd', white 'e') and against the corner depending on how I respond to the hane at F19, but he has a lot of cuts in his shape as well so my corner will be fine.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 4 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 8 X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O X . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . 2 5 6 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X 1 3 4 . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's far too many variations to draw out, and I've surely missed reading some as well. But I don't think I've missed anything crucial, and if I haven't then white's group is dead and I've broken into his center area.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #84 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:36 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 604
Location: Séoul, Corée
Liked others: 88
Was liked: 365
Rank: Tygem 5 Dan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Amsterdam, soon.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #85 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:38 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X 4 X X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't understand that last move to be honest. The only guess I can make about his intention is that he wants to play a sealing move such as M8 but wants to avoid having L6 captured.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #86 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:08 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 604
Location: Séoul, Corée
Liked others: 88
Was liked: 365
Rank: Tygem 5 Dan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X X X X X 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Amsterdam, soon.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #87 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:00 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O 6 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X X X X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll happily be pushed from behind until he jumps ahead.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #88 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:26 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 604
Location: Séoul, Corée
Liked others: 88
Was liked: 365
Rank: Tygem 5 Dan
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X X X X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:scratch:

_________________
Amsterdam, soon.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #89 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:12 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
lovelove wrote:
:scratch:

:scratch:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . 8 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O O X O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O X X X X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

That's the second time he's posted a smiley that I don't understand. I don't get how my last move could've puzzled him; it seemed really obvious to me. So I'll just respond back with a puzzled smiley of my own ;).

As for this move, since he can not block at L10 and must instead pull back to M10, this gains a liberty for my group. His group currently has four liberties, but he can increase it to six in gote (five in sente) with the sequence below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 1 X X X . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O O O O X O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 3 . X X O X X X X X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . X O X X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since my group has at least six liberties, I'm pretty sure I can tenuki if his next move is M10. If it's not M10, then why would he play M9?

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #90 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:52 pm 
Lives in gote

Posts: 604
Location: Séoul, Corée
Liked others: 88
Was liked: 365
Rank: Tygem 5 Dan
I resign.

_________________
Amsterdam, soon.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #91 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:35 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 447
Liked others: 137
Was liked: 68
Rank: kgs 5kyu
KGS: Unusedname
I enjoyed watching the game! :]

I have a question
assuming the game went like this instead and black settled his center group

Should black play a move around here to threaten to invade a or b
or should black just invade directly?

Is this something white would have used sente to defend against?
And how would W defend both spots?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: W 1, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . a . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , a . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 3 O O X O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 . X X 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . X O X O O . O . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I ask because I was excited to see what would happen in this area.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #92 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:02 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
Thank you for the game lovelove :).

@Unusedname: Good question. I don't have time to answer that now, but I can reply again later with what I might have done if that occurred.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #93 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:34 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
Uberdude wrote:
Black's play seems careless, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to find the best moves.
Interesting criticism. I don't know if I agree with it though. I just find it very hard to be authoritative on the opening, and I don't always understand it that well. Like Bill sort-of suggested, I feel more comfortable reading out and evaluating a fight than the opening.

If you were thinking about :b22: in particular, where I connected the peep instead of playing 3-3, then I agree, that move was quite slack, and I regretted overlooking 3-3 there.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #94 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:48 am 
Judan

Posts: 6725
Location: Cambridge, UK
Liked others: 436
Was liked: 3719
Rank: UK 4 dan
KGS: Uberdude 4d
OGS: Uberdude 7d
Yes, about :b22:. Good reading later :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #95 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:24 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
dusk eagle: let me know if you want to try me next. 2 stone.

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"

Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove
Post #96 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:48 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1758
Liked others: 378
Was liked: 375
Rank: 4d
@ Magicwand: Two of the next three weeks are going to be insanely busy for me, but in three weeks I'll be willing to play you.

_________________
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 96 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group