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 Post subject: Re: Dragon Pie vs. emerus #209
Post #61 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:45 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #62 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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The only move I considered. It reduces the liberty of white's stones. I think white won't want to be squeezed or have these stones captured making my group very strong, so I'm not sure what sequence he's eyeballing.

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Post #63 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:53 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #64 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:20 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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I think that I'm gaining more from all of these exchanges than white. I think that white's playing some aji keshi.

Maybe he's going to cut me?
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O 4 X 6 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . X O 7 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #65 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:26 pm 
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$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #66 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 :w1: :b100:
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$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:23 pm 
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$$ | . . X O X . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
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$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, it's not the best shape, but I cut him - which is what I wanted. Now we'll see if my thickness can pay off in this fight.

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Post #68 Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:43 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He got to cut off my stone. His stones are also cut off. The aji of my F17 stone should still be useful in this fight.

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Post #69 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:38 am 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O 8 X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm just going to do the best I can to mess with his shape and keep him unsettled in this area.

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Post #70 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:33 am 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O X 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A few moves ago, I made a mistake.

If I had played here, I would have remained connected.

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[go]$$Bcm51
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
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$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #71 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:30 am 
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$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . a . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I need the move that keeps pressure on black so I can turn some territory or form some kind of reduction on blacks right side. However, my weak stones on the lower right make it difficult to go for a large scale fight. Instead, I think I can extend to 'c' for some added thickness and keep black a little bit thin and still bide my time for a chance to even the territorial balance.

Next I expect a move at 'a' or 'b'. Perhaps after he makes some forcing moves on the left side.

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[go]$$Bcm61 :w1: :b100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #74 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't mind if he catches my stone in gote while my group gets a bit stronger.

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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems to be the best shape.

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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . c X a . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I play the natural move at 'a', it leaves thin aji with the wedge at 'b' or the endgame tesuji at 'c'.

This way, despite the empty triangle, it leaves black with no clear technique of using that stone. I don't like blacks choice of :b61:.

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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . 5 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he had played :w1: first, would he ever consider to exchange :ws: for :bs:?

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O @ # . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He must have changed his mind after his last move and decided that the kosumi was best after all and still is.

I considered more moves on this board that I usually do.

These are the moves that came into my head:

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[go]$$Bcm61
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . e . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O f . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . c d . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O b . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . g . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The idea of b is to directly use the aji of my invasion stone to get a forcing move. In the past, I would have played a move like this without thinking, but if I don't play that move, I might be able to pull that stone out later. I'm not strong enough in the area to do so now, but white would be happy to not have to worry about that stone anymore, so it's aji keshi and so, I refrain for now.

The other reason that I would play it is because I wouldn't want white to get the same move in sente after I didn't take it and if I couldn't find any other moves that would prevent white from doing so, I would still play it sad that he could so easily fix the aji(And proving that my invasion move was a bad move.)

If white plays there right now, I really wouldn't want to tenuki as my group doesn't have the best shape and the atari would be pretty painful.

c has the benefit of allowing me to make a tiger mouth if now white attempts to take that point, so it doesn't make so much sense for white to do so and as I get stronger, he'll have to go back to immobilize my stone.

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[go]$$Bcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . 5 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anyhow, my invasion stone also has a lot of endgame aji making him pay for capturing it.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | 6 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | 5 2 4 . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | 7 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 3 X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered a because it theatens a ladder at the same time as strengthening my two cutting stones. It also takes a shape point for the white stones. I don't have that ladder at the moment, but the weakness of his group on the bottom left says that the aji is terrible for him.

If I can make this group strong, The attack on his bottom left group will be easier and more severe.

I considered d because it threatens the white cutting stones in the center more and is faster, but I like nothing else about it and I feel that it just encourages white to strengthen himself and he'll be able to counter attack after he does so.

e and f are less moves that I considered at this point and moves that look good after I'm a bit stronger in the area. As it stands, I would like to keep his cutting stones weak and so I can launch a double attack against two weak groups. Even if he kills my stone, that seems like the best that I can hope for.

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[go]$$Bcm61 :
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 6 , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kosumi into the center is usually a good move. :clap:

It would be difficult to tolerate black getting the first move either a point above or to the left of :w66:

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[go]$$Bcm61 :
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's tricky for me to decide what to do. I want to help my two cutting stones. I want to severely attack white's group and I want to play another good point which is a follow up to my left side group.

If I help the left group:

This move is likely sente because if white doesn't connect and plays, say :w2:, I have a good follow up.
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[go]$$Bcm1 :
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O 6 7 . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X 5 8 1 . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . 3 . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . 4 O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


BUT, him getting to play :w2: and to follow up against them even if I am able to live over there somehow is probably too good for white. Those two stones are definitely the weakest group even more so than his bottom right group which is still pretty weak.

Nonetheless, I REALLY want to get the peep in on the bottom right group because it takes another likely sente move at P8 helps his group quite a bit.

Anyhow, I really would like to get a move in at the top to strengthen those stones and to be glad that I have a couple of other good moves to look forward to.

So, that's what I've decided to do. It's tricky because I don't want to play the simple one or two space jump in a way because it allows him some forcing moves to help him fix his top side aji and close up some territory, but no other move looks fast enough. I knew I'd be choosing between them. I went with the two space jump because I need want to go fast.

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Post #79 Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:36 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black has the attachment at j11 which destroys my shape. I'll strike at his first.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X 2 4 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then I'll concern with my cutting stones and central thickness.

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Post #80 Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:17 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X X 9 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . , X . . X . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move surprised me. I can understand how he'd want to settle quickly and maybe he hopes to compensate how badly I can mess up the top after getting my group fixed by attacking my weakish group on the left. Also, this group being stronger means I can't easily get a splitting attack on his groups.

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