It is currently Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:24 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 100 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #41 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:19 am 
Oza

Posts: 2493
Location: DC
Liked others: 157
Was liked: 442
Universal go server handle: skydyr
Online playing schedule: When my wife is out.
Bill Spight wrote:
There is a phrase, "looking for a place to resign", which is used when the player who is behind takes desperate measures which, assuming correct play by the opponent, are doomed to fail. White has made a sequence of three plays which could be called looking for a place to resign. Then when Black administered the coup de grace, White did not resign.

I suppose that The Intrepid is playing on for the sake of the audience, but drishti deserve a round of applause. :)


I'm familiar with the phrase. I misunderstood you as saying there was some sequence he should have tried but that his last move ruined. I get the impression he's holding out to try the right side.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #42 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:21 am 
Honinbo

Posts: 10905
Liked others: 3651
Was liked: 3374
The Intrepid wrote:
Quote:
You were right the first time. :)
Can I look at that hide tag now or only later?


Oh, now. Sorry. I just hid it because you did. :)

_________________
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #43 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:38 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 539
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 45
@Bill Spight
I'm not entirely convinced, yet, that the point should not be counted. :) I need to think about this a bit.

_________________
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #44 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:50 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 553
Liked others: 61
Was liked: 250
Rank: AGA 5 dan
Simplified calculation:

Fair exchange, what Bill would call the value of this position:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc base position
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . . X . .
$$ | . . X . X
$$ | X X X O X
$$ | O O O X X
$$ | . . O X O
$$ | . . O O .
$$ | . . . O .
$$ ------------[/go]


Average result if W invests an extra move:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc W gains 3 points
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . . X . .
$$ | X 2 X . X
$$ | O 1 X O X
$$ | . 3 O X X
$$ | . . O X O
$$ | . . O O .
$$ | . . . O .
$$ ------------[/go]


Average result if B invests an extra move:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc B gains 3 points
$$ | . . . . .
$$ | . . X . .
$$ | . . X . X
$$ | . 3 X O X
$$ | X 1 O X X
$$ | O 2 O X O
$$ | . . O O .
$$ | . . . O .
$$ ------------[/go]


Last edited by mitsun on Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #45 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:55 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 539
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 45
@mitsun, please hide your comment. My opponent is still playing.

_________________
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #46 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:14 pm 
Dies in gote

Posts: 21
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoners: :b6:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . . O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . 3 X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . 2 X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #47 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:38 pm 
Lives in gote

Posts: 553
Liked others: 61
Was liked: 250
Rank: AGA 5 dan
The Intrepid wrote:
@Bill Spight
I'm not entirely convinced, yet, that the point should not be counted. :) I need to think about this a bit.

If we consider the hane plus solid connection, instead of the hanging connection, then this question does not arise and the calculation is symmetric and simple. One could argue that the hanging connection is superior in this position, precisely because it offers the opportunity to make an extra point later, even if the probability is low that it will actually be profitable to do so. When the situation arises, it is a one-point reverse-sente play, which might conceivably be the best move on the board, and hence should have some value. Trimming this possibility off of the result tree is not quite fair. However it is also not fair to give it the same weight as the other branch on the tree, which is likely to be sente at that stage of the game.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #48 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:29 pm 
Lives in gote

Posts: 539
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 45
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: :b6:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . . O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . 1 X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | 2 . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I had a brilliant idea. I know now how to win this game! (Drumroll, please.) Verbal misdirection. That's right, verbal misdirection! :rambo: My attempt to live on the right side will fail miserably; that much is clear. Thus, the only way left for me to win this game is if my opponent resigns prematurely. However, the only way this could happen is he falls prey to my powers of persuasion. It's going to be awesome! Should I do it? :mrgreen:

_________________
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #49 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:39 pm 
Dies with sente

Posts: 100
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 11
Rank: IGS 16 kyu
KGS: bgrieco
IGS: bgrieco
Online playing schedule: at night 21:00 - 00:00 UTC-3
@The Intrepid

Isn't this the whole point of playing Go against a human instead of a computer ? :twisted:


This post by bgrieco was liked by: The Intrepid
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #50 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:57 am 
Dies in gote

Posts: 21
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: :b6:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . . O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O . 3 . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . 1 X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | 2 . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #51 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:21 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 539
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 45
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoners: :b6: , :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . . O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O 2 1 . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black should now start making a series of sente plays all over the board.

_________________
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #52 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:52 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1348
Location: Finland
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 129
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
The Intrepid wrote:
Black should now start making a series of sente plays all over the board.

Should he? I think black will win anyway.

I'm sure he could, though.

_________________
Offending ad removed

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #53 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:19 am 
Dies in gote

Posts: 21
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm17 Prisoners: :b6:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . . O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . 3 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O 2 1 . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #54 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:32 am 
Judan

Posts: 6725
Location: Cambridge, UK
Liked others: 436
Was liked: 3719
Rank: UK 4 dan
KGS: Uberdude 4d
OGS: Uberdude 7d
tj86430 wrote:
The Intrepid wrote:
Black should now start making a series of sente plays all over the board.

Should he? I think black will win anyway.

I'm sure he could, though.


Or he could pass to show how far ahead he is and that sente is overrated :D

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #55 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:54 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 539
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 45
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm19 Prisoners: :b6: , :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . 2 O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O O X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O . |
$$ | O . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black lost some points here. Let's compare these diagrams:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C C C 4 3 1 5 . . . |
$$ O C C 6 2 O X X X . |
$$ X O O C C O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X T . O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]
w = 7, B = 1/2, S1 = W - B = 6.5

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C C C C C 4 3 . . . |
$$ O C C C C O X X X . |
$$ X O O C 2 O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X M 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]
(Moves :b3: and :w4: mark the "fair exchange" or "value of the position" as mitsun termed it previously, which is just a shortcut from the full "expected value calculation" which I was making previously.) W = 10, B = 1, S2 = 9

=> S = S2 - S1 = 2.5

Thus, Black cost himself 2.5 points.

I was saying how I would resign after my attempt to make life on the right fails. I've changed my mind. It'll be good practice for drishti if I play on until the very end. Besides, he worked hard to win this game, so let him enjoy the fruits of his labor a little longer.
Edit:
Actually, I now look at the position and it seems that Black could also have considered this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C C C 6 5 3 7 . . . |
$$ O C C 4 1 O X X X . |
$$ X O O 0 2 O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X M 9 O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]
(White takes sente with :w8:, but Black will have the right to play :b9: at some later point.) S = 5 - 1 = 4, although this ends in gote for Black as compared to the other variation where Black would keep sente.

_________________
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #56 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:10 am 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2644
Liked others: 304
Was liked: 631
Rank: kgs 6k
NB, the "fair value" Intrepid mentions only applies when a move ends in gote for both sides. This is gote for W:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C C C C C 6 4 5 . . |
$$ O C C C C O X X X . |
$$ X O O C 2 O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X M 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]


(Depending on the temperature, :w4: might not even be sente, but anyway.) This, however is sente for black:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C C C C 4 3 5 . . . |
$$ O C C 6 C O X X X . |
$$ X O O C 2 O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X M 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]


Or else:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C C C C 4 3 5 . . . |
$$ O C C 7 9 O X X X . |
$$ X O O 8 2 O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X M 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]


Is that all? No, of course that's not all.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ C 6 4 3 5 X X . . . |
$$ O C 2 X 1 O X X X . |
$$ X O O O O O X O X . |
$$ X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ X M X O X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ X O O X X O X . . . |[/go]


B ends in sente again! So normally we will count this as B's sente.


This post by jts was liked by: Bill Spight
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #57 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:18 am 
Dies in gote

Posts: 21
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm19 Prisoners: :b6:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . 2 O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O O X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O 3 |
$$ | O . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


triggers W T4, triggers B T6 (hope that's the right notation)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #58 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:35 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 539
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 45
Actually, feel free to indicate triggers on the board (although you can certainly do it in text form like you did). In any case, I reject the trigger.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b6: , :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . X O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O O X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O 1 |
$$ | O . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ X X . . |
$$ O X X . |
$$ X O O 1 |
$$ X X O 2 |
$$ X O 3 . |
$$ X O . . |
$$ O O . . |
$$ --------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm4
$$ X X . . |
$$ O X X 1 |
$$ X O O C |
$$ X X O O |
$$ X O X 2 |
$$ X O . . |
$$ O O . . |
$$ --------[/go]
Edit:
Incidentally, White needs to watch out here when playing himself:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ X X . 2 |
$$ O X X 1 |
$$ X O O 3 |
$$ X X O . |
$$ X O 4 . |
$$ X O . . |
$$ O O . . |
$$ --------[/go]

For this reason, White would simply need to connect first:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ X X . . |
$$ O X X . |
$$ X O O . |
$$ X X O . |
$$ X O 1 . |
$$ X O . . |
$$ O O . . |
$$ --------[/go]
Edit 2:
Actually, I could have accepted the trigger and then defended, but I want to leave my options open for things like this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ --------------
$$ . . . . . . |
$$ . O X X X . |
$$ O O X O X . |
$$ O X X O O . |
$$ O X . . . . |
$$ O X . O O . |
$$ O X . . X . |
$$ X . . X . . |
$$ X X X O . . |
$$ X O X . . . |
$$ O . X O X 3 |
$$ X . X . O M |
$$ . O X X . 1 |
$$ . O O X X 2 |
$$ . . X O O X |
$$ X X X X O . |
$$ X O X O O . |
$$ X O X O . . |
$$ O O O O . . |
$$ --------------[/go]
The marked point is almost an eye. Desperate, I know, but even a 1% of a 1% of a chance is better than no chance. :)

_________________
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.


Last edited by The Intrepid on Wed May 01, 2013 10:46 am, edited 2 times in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #59 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:37 am 
Judan

Posts: 6725
Location: Cambridge, UK
Liked others: 436
Was liked: 3719
Rank: UK 4 dan
KGS: Uberdude 4d
OGS: Uberdude 7d
If white t4 can black change his mind about the trigger? The tempting trigger tesuji...

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: #215: The Intrepid vs. drishti: Deep in the Endgame Weed
Post #60 Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:00 am 
Dies in gote

Posts: 21
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: :b6:, :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O . . O . . . . O . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O O X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . X X X X O . O X X O X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O O O X . X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X . . . X X O O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O O X . X O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . O X X X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X O O X O X X O O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X O O X O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O X O . X . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . . X X . O O X . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O O O . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X X O O O O . . X O O 1 |
$$ | O . O X X O X X . X X X O X X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X X X X . . . X O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X O O O O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . X O . . . O O O O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 100 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group