is not a mistake. In fact, after the high black response (O16), you will find it more often than the slide, because Black's jump to P12 would threaten O14 (in addition to helping the moyo below).

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . B . X . 1 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . a O . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]

The slide has been played, though. It is usually followed by something like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . X . X . 1 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . 3 . O . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]

With the high black response, this is more usual, similar to the game:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . B . X . 2 . |
$$ . . . . . . . k . . |
$$ . . . . . O . O d . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 3 X . . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------[/go]

is also often played as the kick at 'k', whereupon White would descend to 'd'.

Note that Black's choice of produces quite different results from the keima response (O17).

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A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.

I just won the second game with sodesune, giving us a 1-1 tie. He's going on vacation, so we will resume the 27th. It was another close game, and a fun one too. Sodesune, maybe you can post the game here for comments (I don't have access right now.

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"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee

Thanks Harleqin for the explanations. I still think Black is so much better off locally.

Here is the game with my comments:

[sgf-full](;
GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[SoDesuNe]
PW[Jedo]
DT[2010-07-09]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[6.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Japanese]
RE[W+4.50]
BR[4k]
WR[4k]
OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: Good game!
Jedo [4k\]: you too]
CA[UTF-8];B[pd]BL[1792.35];W[qp]WL[1793.003];B[dc]BL[1788.114];W[dp]WL[1790.133];B[cn]BL[1786.102];W[cl]WL[1786.008];B[ce]BL[1783.717];W[jc]WL[1780.146]
;B[hc]BL[1780.217];W[nc]WL[1777.559];B[qf]
C[SoDesuNe:
No comment...]
BL[1778.27];W[pb]
C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: er, yeah, one move at its time ^^]
WL[1774.801];B[qc]
C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: well, well]
BL[1752.506];W[ld]
C[Jedo [4k\]: similar to last time i guess
SoDesuNe [4k\]: Nah, You have no aji]
WL[1767.619];B[op]BL[1717.344];W[mq]WL[1763.131];B[or]BL[1713.182];W[qm]WL[1755.674]
;B[mo]BL[1699.022];W[jq]WL[1749.927];B[lq]BL[1672.279];W[lp]WL[1741.489];B[mp]BL[1636.675];W[lr]WL[1730.386];B[nq]BL[1627.006];W[kq]WL[1726.006];B[fq]BL[1607.336];W[dn]WL[1698.442]
;B[cq]BL[1601.083];W[co]
C[SoDesuNe: I think this is the wrong direction for White.]
WL[1693.926];B[dq]BL[1598.926];W[gr]WL[1664.033];B[fr]BL[1591.228];W[gq]WL[1646.987];B[gp]BL[1583.025];W[hp]WL[1640.116];B[go]BL[1558.191];W[qh]WL[1632.843]
;B[qj]
C[SoDesuNe:
Maybe a bit agressive.]
BL[1547.089];W[oh]WL[1627.987];B[oj]BL[1518.112];W[rg]WL[1612.042];B[nd]BL[1507.739];W[md]WL[1601.214];B[oc]BL[1499.317];W[ob]WL[1588.009];B[ne]BL[1497.754];W[mh]WL[1567.014]
;B[rf]BL[1476.877];W[nl]WL[1535.782];B[mj]BL[1426.341];W[lm]WL[1514.886];B[on]BL[1346.515];W[pm]WL[1493.667];B[qq]BL[1306.309];W[rq]WL[1480.679];B[pp]BL[1288.303];W[qo]WL[1427.931]
;B[qr]
C[SoDesuNe:
Unnecessary... Huge mistake while having a floating group.]
BL[1279.144];W[kj]WL[1406.206];B[li]BL[1275.455];W[kg]WL[1389.952];B[ki]BL[1217.748];W[ji]WL[1342.951];B[lg]BL[982.966];W[lh]WL[1294.118];B[kh]BL[981.345];W[mg]
C[SoDesuNe:
I was relieved. Thought my best chance was a Semeai.]
WL[1280.103]
;B[jg]BL[977.757];W[lf]WL[1271.845];B[jh]BL[976.392];W[nj]WL[1217.785];B[nk]BL[966.197];W[ni]WL[1212.227]
(;B[mk]
C[SoDesuNe:
P9 is better, I think, because Black is already in the open. \
This just gives White too much territory.]
BL[964.979];W[ok]WL[1193.485];B[ol]BL[963.945];W[pk]WL[1191.438];B[om]BL[933];W[pl]WL[1170.014];B[mm]BL[932.031];W[ll]WL[1164.569];B[qb]BL[928.661]
;W[ch]WL[1147.45];B[dg]BL[853.939];W[dh]WL[1121.414];B[eg]BL[847.95];W[db]WL[1118.272];B[cb]BL[838.947];W[ec]WL[1113.683];B[dd]BL[817.807];W[he]WL[1091.429];B[ge]BL[756.428]
;W[gf]WL[1068.966];B[fe]BL[751.762];W[hh]WL[1043.26];B[ml]BL[747.043];W[ib]WL[1033.628];B[hb]BL[739.98];W[ha]WL[1011.162];B[ga]BL[733.892];W[ia]WL[1008.926];B[gc]BL[720.983]
;W[bp]WL[985.468];B[bg]BL[678.216];W[br]WL[967.921];B[bq]BL[638.413];W[aq]WL[962.611];B[cp]BL[637.25];W[bn]WL[949.133];B[ep]BL[619.778];W[do]WL[940.919];B[ho]BL[616.584]
;W[ip]WL[932.041];B[cr]BL[615.733];W[er]WL[880.725];B[es]BL[591.352];W[dr]WL[862.779];B[cs]BL[576.473];W[ar]WL[842.175];B[eo]BL[569.533];W[fn]WL[798.713];B[fo]BL[523.258]
;W[bh]WL[771.786];B[en]BL[474.598];W[em]WL[763.652];B[fm]BL[466.068];W[el]WL[749.035];B[fl]BL[464.708];W[fk]WL[733.771];B[fi]BL[435.795];W[gl]
C[SoDesuNe:
Defending E10 is much bigger.]
WL[721.205];B[ej]BL[420.257]
;W[eh]WL[673.143];B[fh]BL[418.597];W[dk]WL[637.315];B[dj]BL[394.922];W[cj]WL[635.332];B[gm]BL[386.215];W[hm]WL[629.642];B[gn]BL[383.712];W[ek]WL[606.235];B[kk]BL[381.125]
;W[hf]WL[600.384];B[fg]BL[377.616];W[ag]WL[591.905];B[bf]BL[373.046];W[sf]WL[581.619];B[se]BL[369.853];W[sg]WL[579.804];B[rd]BL[368.642];W[kn]WL[553.453];B[rr]BL[366.417]
;W[rp]WL[549.003];B[qg]BL[365.274];W[ri]WL[543.95];B[ic]BL[362.948];W[kb]WL[541.311];B[pc]BL[357.877];W[nb]WL[534.869];B[jj]BL[319.806];W[qa]WL[520.627];B[ra]BL[317.511]
;W[pa]WL[518.592];B[hr]BL[256.361];W[hq]WL[446.063];B[gs]BL[254.633];W[ir]WL[440.797];B[pg]BL[222.257];W[ph]WL[433.14];B[hl]BL[168.785];W[gk]WL[427.195];B[im]BL[148.619]
;W[jf]WL[410.968];B[ii]BL[100.272];W[hk]WL[402.705];B[il]BL[98.366];W[id]WL[393.033];B[mr]BL[60]OB[5];W[hd]WL[363.485];B[gd]BL[60]OB[5];W[ff]WL[319.385];B[ef]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hs]WL[307.685];B[lo]BL[60]OB[5];W[ko]WL[297.734];B[lq]BL[60]OB[5];W[kp]WL[237.801];B[mq]BL[60]OB[5];W[rb]WL[225.904];B[sb]BL[60]OB[5];W[sa]WL[221.874];B[dm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cm]WL[219.122];B[ra]BL[60]OB[5];W[re]WL[212.186];B[qe]BL[60]OB[5];W[sa]WL[207.113];B[rh]BL[60]OB[5];W[sh]WL[204.687];B[ra]BL[60]OB[5];W[fa]WL[203.125];B[gb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[sa]WL[201.667];B[si]BL[60]OB[5];W[sj]WL[198.915];B[ra]BL[60]OB[5];W[ee]WL[196.185];B[ed]BL[60]OB[5];W[sa]WL[193.111];B[jb]BL[60]OB[5];W[ja]WL[191.019];B[ra]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ei]WL[178.774];B[fj]BL[60]OB[5];W[sa]WL[176.626];B[ka]BL[60]OB[5];W[la]WL[174.742];B[ra]BL[60]OB[5];W[ca]
C[SoDesuNe:
Yeah, this is not a threat ^^]
WL[161.292];B[rc]BL[60]OB[4];W[cc]WL[152.052];B[bb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[bc]WL[141.189];B[eb]BL[60]OB[4];W[da]WL[136.995];B[ba]BL[60]OB[4];W[lk]WL[127.833];B[kr]BL[60]OB[4];W[sr]
C[Jedo [4k\]: guess i screwed that ko threat up
tanki [5k\]: It simple seems to not have been a KO threat ^^]
WL[99.632];B[ig]BL[60]OB[3];W[jr]
C[SoDesuNe [4k\]: Yea, was not a threat in the end]
WL[89.868];B[ls]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[cg]WL[84.896];B[cf]BL[60]OB[3];W[lj]WL[60.251];B[mi]BL[60]OB[3];W[in]WL[49.205];B[af]BL[60]OB[3];W[ah]WL[44.095];B[ci]BL[60]OB[3];W[bi]WL[24.345];B[di]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[bj]WL[22.089];B[if]BL[60]OB[3];W[hn]WL[3.52]
(;B[ik]
C[SoDesuNe:
Huge endgame mistake - game deciding at this stage. (See variation)

END OF COMMENTS]
BL[60]OB[3];W[ie]WL[60]OW[5];B[hg]BL[60]OB[3];W[hi]WL[60]OW[5];B[gg]BL[60]OB[3];W[je]WL[60]OW[5];B[io]BL[60]OB[3];W[jn]WL[60]OW[5];B[ln]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[kl]WL[60]OW[5];B[jk]BL[60]OB[3];W[of]WL[60]OW[5];B[nf]BL[60]OB[3];W[og]WL[60]OW[5];B[ng]BL[60]OB[3];W[nh]WL[60]OW[5];B[fs]BL[60]OB[3];W[oe]WL[60]OW[5];B[od]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[hj]WL[60]OW[5];B[pn]BL[60]OB[3];W[qn]WL[60]OW[5];B[me]BL[60]OB[3];W[po]WL[60]OW[5];B[le]BL[60]OB[3];W[ke]WL[60]OW[5];B[bs]BL[60]OB[2];W[oo]WL[60]OW[5];B[no]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[5];B[ks]BL[60]OB[2];W[ss]WL[60]OW[5];B[rs]BL[60]OB[2];W[sq]WL[60]OW[5];B[jo]BL[60]OB[2];W[tt]WL[60]OW[5];B[tt]
C[Jedo [4k\]: thanks
SoDesuNe [4k\]: Thank you
Jedo [4k\]: another close one
SoDesuNe [4k\]: My start was just aweful ^^
Jedo [4k\]: i screwed up that ko in the upper right
SoDesuNe [4k\]: I shouldn't rush through the opneing
Jedo [4k\]: i cant play untill monday
SoDesuNe [4k\]: y, that was worth a couple of points too ^^
SoDesuNe [4k\]: hmkay, then we have to wait until the ~27th
SoDesuNe [4k\]: I'm on vacation
Jedo [4k\]: ah i see
Jedo [4k\]: ok then
SoDesuNe [4k\]: I'll pm you when I'm back?
Jedo [4k\]: sounds good
Jedo [4k\]: thanks again
SoDesuNe [4k\]: Thank you, too!
SoDesuNe [4k\]: See you!]
TB[qs][ps][os][ns][ms][ds][pr][nr][lr][er][dr][pq][oq][eq][np][fp][nn][mn][fn][nm][nl][ji][df][re][ee][de][be][ae][sd][qd][fd][cd][bd][ad][sc][fc][ec][cc][bc][ac][rb][fb][db][ab][sa][fa][ea][da][ca][aa]
TW[is][hr][iq][sp][so][ro][bo][ao][sn][rn][cn][an][sm][rm][dm][bm][am][sl][rl][ql][dl][bl][al][sk][rk][qk][ck][bk][ak][rj][qj][pj][oj][aj][si][qi][pi][oi][ai][rh][lg][kf][kd][jd][mc][lc][kc][mb][lb][jb][oa][na][ma][ka]
BL[60]OB[2])
(;B[je];W[kf];B[jd];W[hg];B[ie];W[hi]))
(;B[ok];W[mk];B[ml];W[lk];B[ol];W[nm];B[om]))[/sgf-full]

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

W32 jumped out at me. That looks like endgame at best. I don't think white really has a great move in the area.

_________________
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--
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Game two of Aphelion02 vs. Redundant has been scheduled for tomorrow at 8pm Eastern.

Aphelion and I have moved our game to 9:30 tonight.

Game 2, Redundant vs Aphelion.

I won the game and tied the series at 1-1

W+18.5



[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Aphelion02]PB[redundant]WR[6k]BR[3k]DT[2010-07-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+18.50]
;B[oc]BL[1797.451]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: alright thanks
redundant [3k\]: have a good game
]
;W[dc]WL[1795.008]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: you too
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks
]
;B[oq]BL[1793.859]
;W[dq]WL[1790.201]
;B[do]BL[1783.762]
;W[cm]WL[1783.672]
;B[cq]BL[1771.01]
;W[cp]WL[1780.822]
;B[dp]BL[1769.035]
;W[co]WL[1779.068]
;B[cn]BL[1768.245]
;W[dn]WL[1777.729]
;B[bn]BL[1767.205]
;W[bq]WL[1775.316]
;B[cr]BL[1765.53]
;W[bo]WL[1773.977]
;B[bm]BL[1712.686]
;W[eq]WL[1692.828]
;B[fp]BL[1703.804]
;W[br]WL[1675.862]
;B[cl]BL[1701.145]
;W[dm]WL[1670.415]
;B[dl]BL[1695.768]
;W[fm]WL[1638.858]
;B[ao]BL[1684.133]
;W[bp]WL[1635.292]
;B[ep]BL[1680.435]
;W[fn]WL[1596.536]
;B[fq]BL[1677.086]
;W[cs]WL[1589.034]
;B[er]BL[1671.724]
;W[dr]WL[1587.486]
;B[el]BL[1642.552]
;W[ci]WL[1579.014]
;B[gk]BL[1621.048]
;W[hn]WL[1576.34]
;B[ip]BL[1616.129]
;W[hp]WL[1571.818]
;B[hq]BL[1613.546]
;W[iq]WL[1559.348]
;B[jp]BL[1591.127]
;W[gq]WL[1544.699]
;B[ho]BL[1588.897]
;W[hr]WL[1539.231]
;B[gp]BL[1587.099]
;W[hq]WL[1526.654]
;B[gn]BL[1580.835]
;W[gm]WL[1477.943]
;B[go]BL[1578.953]
;W[in]WL[1465.849]
;B[io]BL[1577.359]
;W[fr]WL[1463.665]
;B[jn]BL[1565.862]
;W[hl]WL[1459.711]
;B[hk]BL[1555.088]
;W[il]WL[1454.556]
;B[kl]BL[1550.835]
;W[ik]WL[1449.726]
;B[hi]BL[1542.232]
;W[ij]WL[1447.026]
;B[gi]BL[1540.043]
;W[ej]WL[1441.614]
;B[fk]BL[1531.51]
;W[kj]WL[1437.132]
;B[cg]BL[1505.209]
;W[eh]WL[1434.286]
;B[ef]BL[1500.661]
;W[fg]WL[1431.845]
;B[hf]BL[1484.974]
;W[bk]WL[1420.894]
;B[bl]BL[1482.355]
;W[ff]WL[1419.319]
;B[ee]BL[1480.112]
;W[fe]WL[1415.522]
;B[ed]BL[1478.245]
;W[ce]WL[1410.936]
;B[fd]BL[1457.365]
;W[he]WL[1403.705]
;B[if]BL[1450.188]
;W[gd]WL[1401.545]
;B[cf]BL[1297.452]
;W[de]WL[1371.099]
;B[eg]BL[1272.867]
;W[fh]WL[1359.146]
;B[ec]BL[1259.938]
;W[db]WL[1340.933]
;B[gc]BL[1256.125]
;W[hc]WL[1339.24]
;B[gb]BL[1250.681]
;W[hb]WL[1331.767]
;B[be]BL[1224.778]
;W[bd]WL[1320.894]
;B[af]BL[1214.522]
;W[eb]WL[1317.484]
;B[bc]BL[962.742]
;W[fb]WL[1290.275]
;B[cd]BL[959.968]
;W[dd]WL[1287.846]
;B[ad]BL[958.038]
;W[jh]WL[1284.95]
;B[fc]BL[889.6]
;W[ga]WL[1281.67]
;B[ih]BL[884.788]
;W[jg]WL[1274.672]
;B[ie]BL[880.522]
;W[id]WL[1272.564]
;B[jd]BL[871.844]
;W[jc]WL[1270.993]
;B[kd]BL[869.205]
;W[kf]WL[1262.482]
;B[kc]BL[863.948]
;W[je]WL[1260.043]
;B[bj]BL[846.483]
;W[cj]WL[1221.093]
;B[ck]BL[830.6]
;W[ak]WL[1199.151]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: Hey, 2d for Shaddy. Congras.
]
;B[al]BL[808.181]
;W[bh]WL[1164.493]
;B[an]BL[782.784]
;W[bg]WL[1160.564]
;B[bf]BL[778.992]
;W[cc]WL[1154.804]
;B[bb]BL[771.959]
;W[bd]WL[1152.713]
;B[fa]BL[737.897]
;W[ea]WL[1148.673]
;B[cd]BL[735.384]
;W[df]WL[1146.47]
;B[dg]BL[733.569]
;W[bd]WL[1144.798]
;B[ha]BL[712.408]
;W[ia]WL[1140.483]
;B[cd]BL[710.634]
;W[bi]WL[1110.084]
;B[aj]BL[703.969]
;W[bd]WL[1108.027]
;B[ge]BL[571.154]
;W[gf]WL[1100.845]
;B[cd]BL[569.959]
;W[ek]WL[1085.684]
;B[bd]BL[561.678]
;W[fl]WL[1083.733]
;B[ca]BL[559.819]
;W[jb]WL[971.248]
;B[qp]BL[476.873]
;W[jf]WL[942.855]
;B[pk]BL[467.905]
;W[rp]WL[938.007]
;B[qo]BL[453.439]
;W[qq]WL[933.12]
;B[pq]BL[446.885]
;W[qr]WL[930.194]
;B[ro]BL[445.299]
;W[sq]WL[927.662]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: heh, tripod
]
;B[qd]BL[443.974]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: too bad it gives Black such a nice moyo
]
;W[ml]WL[905.716]
;B[lk]BL[438.662]
;W[ln]WL[903.729]
;B[km]BL[423.896]
;W[ko]WL[901.038]
;B[kp]BL[404.875]
;W[nj]WL[899.048]
;B[mk]BL[403.073]
;W[nk]WL[897.357]
;B[nl]BL[402.45]
;W[ol]WL[896.286]
;B[nm]BL[401.121]C[Shadonra [2d\]: thanks!
Shadonra [2d\]: sorry, i was busy forgetting how to read ladders against a 5d
Marcus316 [4k\]: ah
Shadonra [2d\]: i played the whole thing out and went "oh, well then"
Marcus316 [4k\]: man, I'm excited for my game next round. Playing Kirby was great.
]
;W[om]WL[749.672]C[Shadonra [2d\]: yeah, congrats on that
Shadonra [2d\]: i hope you have fun playing tabemasu
]
;B[ok]BL[390.272]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: 10 stones is a bit of a hurdle
Marcus316 [4k\]:
Shadonra [2d\]: this is the point where you may want to consider "sabotage"
]
;W[nn]WL[723.908]
;B[mm]BL[388.795]
;W[lm]WL[722.835]
;B[ll]BL[381.941]
;W[mn]WL[721.616]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: I don't own the right shoes for that.
]
;B[ml]BL[380.888]
;W[oo]WL[720.89]
;B[pn]BL[376.806]C[Shadonra [2d\]: the way i see it, you'll need a tire iron
Shadonra [2d\]: and a map to tabe's house
Marcus316 [4k\]: heh, I know which go club he frequents, actually.
]
;W[pp]WL[678.37]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: or, at least I can get directions.
Shadonra [2d\]: so just a tire iron then
]
;B[np]BL[347.846]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: yeah. But then I don't get to watch the awesome moves that will be played against me.
]
;W[qm]WL[665.01]C[Shadonra [2d\]: no, but you will win
]
;B[pm]BL[334.286]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: Unless I'm disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct ... besides, eventually I'd have to face magicwand, who seems like he might e immune to tire irons.
]
;W[op]WL[574.851]C[Shadonra [2d\]: i'll take care of him for you
]
;B[mp]BL[316.206]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: ... you know you're still in the winners bracket as well ... and you seem to be the tire iron supplier ...
Marcus316 [4k\]: I'm a litle scare now. O.O
Shadonra [2d\]: hehe...
]
;W[pl]WL[547.152]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: and my keyboard doesn't like to type out all the keys I try to hit, apparently.
Marcus316 [4k\]: ouch. W just made pain for B
]
;B[on]BL[244.721]
;W[ql]WL[541.328]
;B[no]BL[243.551]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: I would have fallen for the trap
Marcus316 [4k\]: I'm bad like that
]
;W[pj]WL[514.191]C[Shadonra [2d\]: i was kind of hoping he'd fall for it
]
;B[qk]BL[236.377]
;W[qj]WL[488.157]
;B[rk]BL[233.387]C[Shadonra [2d\]: argh, white just collapsed
]
;W[rj]WL[473.206]
;B[rm]BL[218.017]
;W[oj]WL[448.994]
;B[rl]BL[214.588]
;W[mc]WL[445.701]
;B[md]BL[203.463]
;W[ld]WL[432.664]
;B[nc]BL[187.323]
;W[lc]WL[430.837]
;B[qg]BL[179.757]
;W[rd]WL[392.447]
;B[re]BL[175.547]
;W[qe]WL[378.107]
;B[pe]BL[165.926]
;W[pd]WL[317.578]
;B[qf]BL[161.133]
;W[qc]WL[316.647]
;B[pc]BL[152.183]
;W[qe]WL[314.591]
;B[od]BL[150.831]C[Shadonra [2d\]: CLEVER
]
;W[qd]WL[310.72]
;B[rf]BL[136.422]
;W[qb]WL[283.598]
;B[pb]BL[134.727]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: S18?
Marcus316 [4k\]: aww
Marcus316 [4k\]: S18 dies anyways
Shadonra [2d\]: s18 lives
Shadonra [2d\]: q18 ko
Marcus316 [4k\]: really?
Marcus316 [4k\]: oh, hey, yeah
Marcus316 [4k\]: yay for incredible local threats
]
;W[sb]WL[195.747]C[Shadonra [2d\]: aph had so many chances..
]
;B[ra]BL[98.746]
;W[oe]WL[193.233]
;B[pf]BL[97.331]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: ok, where you going, aph?
]
;W[qa]WL[175.9]
;B[rb]BL[94.329]
;W[me]WL[159.314]
;B[pa]BL[69.539]
;W[sd]WL[127.4]
;B[rc]BL[66.46]
;W[nd]WL[121.155]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: false seki
]
;B[of]BL[63.272]
;W[ne]WL[119.062]
;B[se]BL[59.395]C[Shadonra [2d\]: it's simply not
Shadonra [2d\]: that is a seki in the same way that cheddar is a vegetable
]
;W[lq]WL[97.569]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: yup ... I did say "false"
Shadonra [2d\]: m3 was quite nice
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was looking at m3
redundant [3k\]: I'm gonna go sleep
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ever since black played n4
redundant [3k\]: good game
Marcus316 [4k\]: Aph can definitely read circles around me.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Shadonra [2d\]: night red
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i don't read
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i just think
Aphelion02 [6k\]: what is the scariest move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if i were my opponent
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then i play that
Marcus316 [4k\]: lol
Shadonra [2d\]: good way to do it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: man
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o18
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was such fail
Aphelion02 [6k\]: some how i thought
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my corner had 2 libs
Shadonra [2d\]: lol
Marcus316 [4k\]: see? "false" seki.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd have been really mad
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if i lost this game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i felt i should have won game 1
Shadonra [2d\]: i use that word for a temp seki
Marcus316 [4k\]: ah, ok
Shadonra [2d\]: how are you still 6k?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: eh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: dumb mistakes
Shadonra [2d\]: ah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i don't take usual ranked games so seriously
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i also haven't been playing so much until this week
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i also have a tendency to play to level of my opponent
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at least until my opponent is 1d or so
Aphelion02 [6k\]: after that i just lose
Shadonra [2d\]: start playing 3ks, lol
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thats why this tourny
Aphelion02 [6k\]: is so good
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this and the l19x19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: next i have to play oroth
Shadonra [2d\]: beat him!
Marcus316 [4k\]: yes
Shadonra [2d\]: with a tire iron!
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yep!
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thats the plan
Aphelion02 [6k\]: alrighty time for me to sleep
Marcus316 [4k\]: g'night
Shadonra [2d\]: gnight
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i will have sweet dreams of eating stones
]
;B[kq]BL[35.208]C[Shadonra [2d\]: ...nyah.
Marcus316 [4k\]: ?
]
;W[kr]WL[87.65]
;B[jr]BL[31.103]C[Shadonra [2d\]: i am petulant
Shadonra [2d\]: is that the word?
Marcus316 [4k\]: possibly
Marcus316 [4k\]: over my head. :
Marcus316 [4k\]:
]
;W[mr]WL[70.394]C[Shadonra [2d\]: nice
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but i thought was not necessary
]
;B[pr]BL[24.984]C[Shadonra [2d\]: M4 LETS GOOOO
Snowcat [4k\]: s2?
Marcus316 [4k\]: s2 not as big
Snowcat [4k\]: as big?
Marcus316 [4k\]: M4 threatens to cut off the whole G5 group
Snowcat [4k\]: at least i'll never find such a move
]
(;W[lp]WL[60]OW[5]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: can come back to s2 after
]
;B[jq]BL[14.559]
;W[jo]WL[60]OW[5]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: now i think w dies for certain
]
(;B[lo]BL[5.744]
;W[mo]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[4.568]
;W[lo]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[nq]BL[60]OB[5]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: W can win this race
Marcus316 [4k\]: I think
Marcus316 [4k\]: hmm ... maybe not
Shadonra [2d\]: m2
Marcus316 [4k\]: yes!
Marcus316 [4k\]: there we go
Marcus316 [4k\]: thank you, Shaddy. My reading needs improvement
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
]
;W[nr]WL[60]OW[4]C[Snowcat [4k\]: m2?
]
;B[ks]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[lr]WL[60]OW[4]
(;B[os]BL[60]OB[5]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: m2 would have made it 5 libs to 4
Marcus316 [4k\]: and made l1 not a forcing move
]
;W[is]WL[60]OW[4]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: this should work, I think
Marcus316 [4k\]: again, don't trust my reading.
Marcus316 [4k\]: hmmm .
]
;B[rr]BL[60]OB[4]C[Shadonra [2d\]: w+15
]
;W[nb]WL[60]OW[4]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: W should just k1 now
Shadonra [2d\]: i lied, w+30
Shadonra [2d\]: k1 a waste
Aphelion02 [6k\]: O.
Marcus316 [4k\]: k,
Marcus316 [4k\]: I like to be safe sometimes ... I'm a chicken
Shadonra [2d\]: trust your reading!
Shadonra [2d\]: it's your friend
Shadonra [2d\]: it seems b can kill q11 with n11
]
;B[mi]BL[60]OB[3]C[Shadonra [2d\]: and it also seems that he can read my mind
redundant [3k\]: that'll teach me to count liberties ...
]
;W[mj]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[lj]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[li]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[nh]BL[60]OB[3]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: damn
redundant [3k\]: now you know how I feel
Shadonra [2d\]: lol
]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[sc]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mh]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ni]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mg]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ng]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[kk]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[lh]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ki]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[mf]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[lg]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[lf]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[kh]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[le]BL[60]OB[3]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: heh
Marcus316 [4k\]: nice reduction
]
;W[ke]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[nf]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[md]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[em]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[en]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[cb]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[ha]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[da]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[fa]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ob]BL[60]OB[3]
;W[mb]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[ns]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[4]C[Shadonra [2d\]: that was wrong, k1 connection would have been correct
Shadonra [2d\]: ~4 pts gote, but it's not like it matters
]
;B[dh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[di]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[dk]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jl]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[qn]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[or]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ls]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[po]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jm]WL[60]OW[4]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: B is trying to be tricky
]
;B[mq]BL[60]OB[2]C[Marcus316 [4k\]: W won't fall for it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is japanese rules right
redundant [3k\]: i think
Shadonra [2d\]: that must be connected
Marcus316 [4k\]: please don't pass, W
dfan [3k\]: W is smarter than to pass
]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[3]C[Marcus316 [4k\]:
Shadonra [2d\]: good
]
;B[dj]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ap]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ch]BL[60]OB[2]C[fwiffo [3k\]: Did I just walk in on yet another upset?
dfan [3k\]: It is never an upset when Aphelion wins
]
;W[ks]WL[60]OW[3]C[Shadonra [2d\]: if you count 6k beating 3k
]
;B[ag]BL[60]OB[2]C[Snowcat [4k\]: i have not beat a 3k when i was 6, not even now
Snowcat [4k\]: never*
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ai]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[ah]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ei]WL[60]OW[3]C[redundant [3k\]: i never trust the scoring system
]
;B[]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[]WL[60]OW[3]TW[ja][ka][la][ma][ib][kb][lb][ic][kc][hd][jd][kd][ge][ie][hf][if][gg][hg][ig][kg][gh][hh][ih][lh][fi][gi][hi][ii][ji][fj][gj][hj][jj][fk][gk][hk][jk][gl][hm][im][gn][do][eo][fo][go][ho][io][dp][ep][fp][gp][ip][jp][kp][aq][cq][fq][jq][kq][ar][cr][er][gr][ir][jr][as][bs][ds][fs][gs][hs]TB[aa][ba][qa][sa][ab][qb][sb][ac][qc][pd][qd][rd][sd][ae][qe][sf][og][pg][rg][sg][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][rj][sj][ak][bk][nk][sk][ol][pl][ql][sl][am][om][qm][sm][rn][sn][oo][so][op][pp][rp][sp][qq][rq][sq][qr][sr][ps][qs][rs][ss])
(;B[or]C[Shadonra [2d\]: nice game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: gg
Shadonra [2d\]: good n' violent
redundant [3k\]: i wonder what the score would have been
Aphelion02 [6k\]: j1 first
Aphelion02 [6k\]: nice
]
(;W[eo])
(;W[is]
;B[js]
;W[fo]
;B[ns]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
Snowcat [4k\]: i wonder if o3 is necessary
]
;W[eo]
;B[ms]))
(;B[js]
;W[is]
;B[or]
;W[fo]
;B[ns]
;W[eo]
;B[ms]
;W[ir]))
(;B[nr]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: no
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was debating
Aphelion02 [6k\]: k1 here
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white needs to caputre at e1
]
(;W[nq]
;B[po]
;W[mq])
(;W[js]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: n3
Aphelion02 [6k\]: k1
]
;B[is]
;W[ks]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: o3 does nothing
]
;B[ls]C[Snowcat [4k\]: m1 for black first?
Snowcat [4k\]: instead of o3
]
;W[lr]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: for white
]
(;B[mq]
;W[ms]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: can't play n3
]
;B[ns]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: can't
])
(;B[ir]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i guess
]
(;W[nq]
;B[po])
(;W[ms]
(;B[ns]
;W[fo]
;B[nq]
;W[eo])
(;B[gr]
;W[gs]
;B[hs]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
]))
(;W[hs]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: w h1 instead
]
;B[ns]
;W[ms]
;B[nq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
Aphelion02 [6k\]: g1
]
;W[fo]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: g1
])))
(;W[es]C[Snowcat [4k\]: do m1
]))
(;B[ls]C[redundant [3k\]: now?
]))
(;B[mo]
;W[lo])
(;B[mq]
;W[mo]))
(;W[jq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
redundant [3k\]: i messed up way earlier, though
]
;B[lp]C[Shadonra [2d\]: aph missed a ton of opportunities to win
redundant [3k\]: i played horribly
Snowcat [4k\]: he won
Shadonra [2d\]: he did, but he could have done it earlier
redundant [3k\]: and he played better than i did
Snowcat [4k\]: m3 is good
]))[/sgf-full]

Game three of Redundant vs Aphelion is tomorrow at 3pm Eastern.

Here's game three of Aphelion vs Redundant White (redundant) won by resignation. The series is now 2-1 in my favor.


Next game is tomorrow at 1:30 pm Eastern.

Redundant vs aphelion is now 2-2. White won by some amount of points.

After some thought, I'm afraid that I have to drop out of this tournament. Between running the NY go center and getting ready to go back to school, I'll just be too busy to participate and schedule matches. Sorry, and good luck to そですね in the matches going forward!

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"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee

Uh, that is sad to hear : (
I think you are just the perfect opponent for me. A little bit stronger, I assume so that I have to push my limits to beat you. I had a lot of fun in our games!

Thank you!

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

Hi guys,

I thought I should give you an update on Padic vs. Nikolas73. Padic currently leads the series 2-1, but... he has not logged in to KGS since July 5 (one month ago) - 45 minutes after I missed our game (my fault, I confused the times). He has not posted on L19 since June - to be honest I am a little worried. Has anybody seen him?

I'm not sure how we should proceed here - I will keep waiting for now... what is the current standing in Redundant vs. Aphelion?

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All About Go | Go website featuring lessons, history of Go, downloads, articles by professionals and more.

Right now we're 2-2, and trying to schedule the final game before I leave for a trip to Japan from August 10 to August 20.

The final, decisive, knockout, sure to be a nail-biter game of Aphelion vs Redundant is Monday at 8:30 pm Eastern time.

I won our last game, and the series by resignation. I'll be meeting the winner of the loser's bracket in the championship (to challenge MountainGo?).

Here's the sgf.

With Jedo's droping out, where does this put me?

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

I suppose you advance to the next round. Win by default.

And what is the next round and who will be my next opponent? I'm sorry, I'm totally lost here ^^

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

You're supposed to play the winner of Nikolas v. Padic but Padic has been MIA for over a month so let's say he's forfeited/dropped out also. so that makes the next game between SoDesuNe and Nikolas73.