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Post #1 Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:35 pm 
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IBM's Watson beats 2 human Jeopardy! champions today in its first public test:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110114/ap_ ... vs_machine

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:18 pm 
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That's not quite right; what was shown was just a "practice round" that consisted of less than half of a real game of Jeopardy. The actual match itself was filmed a few days later (in secret), and unless there's a leak, nobody will know the result of that match until it airs on February 14th.

Still, if what was displayed during the practice round was any indication, the actual result won't be too different...

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Adrian Petrescu wrote:
That's not quite right
What exactly was not quite right? From the AP article:
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Watson...edged out game-show champions... on Thursday in its first public test, a short practice round...
Adrian Petrescu wrote:
The actual match itself was filmed a few days later
Did they change the schedule? According to the same AP source, it was on the following day:
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A real contest among the three, to be televised Feb. 14-16, will be played at IBM on Friday.

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Round 1 was aired today:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110215/ap_ ... vs_machine

Round 2 will be aired tomorrow.

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Post #5 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:58 pm 
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Oh, for a second I didn't see it was off topic. You had me scared there. :o I know the day will come when Go is ruined by computers. I'm just hoping to have a little more time.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:24 am 
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If computers can play Go better than humans, does that automatically ruin it for you? Go is too big to likely ever be solved by pure computation¹, so you needn't worry about that.

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Post #7 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:32 am 
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The real success of Watson is the language processing involved in "understanding" the topics and the "answers". The search and database lookup is standard stuff and not remarkable. For humans the language processing is the more-or-less trivial part, we're just slow at database lookup. :lol:

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Watson has huge lead at Round 2:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol ... und-2.html

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Post #9 Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:28 am 
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Every time I see this in the "view unread posts" I read it as
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IBM Watson beats human chimps in first public test
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Post #10 Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:52 am 
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It's what we are--the human type of chimp ;-) .

I seem to recall there being a biologist or primatologist who referred to us as the third species of chimpanzee.

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Watson won. :) US$1M donated to charities.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_ ... g_jeopardy

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EdLee wrote:
Watson won. :) US$1M donated to charities.


I wonder who decided that ;-)

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Post #13 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:46 am 
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I wonder if he'd still win if they eliminated the buzzer as a factor. Top-level Jeopardy is mostly about buzzer timing. There is a light that comes on in your booth when Alex is done reading, and if you buzz in too soon you get locked out for half a second. If all the players got to answer all the questions, I'm not sure Watson would as many correct as the humans.

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Post #14 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:05 am 
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fwiffo wrote:
I wonder if he'd still win if they eliminated the buzzer as a factor. Top-level Jeopardy is mostly about buzzer timing. There is a light that comes on in your booth when Alex is done reading, and if you buzz in too soon you get locked out for half a second. If all the players got to answer all the questions, I'm not sure Watson would as many correct as the humans.
I think you hit it on the nose. On most of the questions I saw Ken Jennings trying to buzz in and trying to hide his frustration when the haX0ring bot beat him over and over.

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fwiffo wrote:
I wonder if he'd still win if they eliminated the buzzer as a factor.
How do you mean? I thought they built a mechanical buzzer for Watson so Watson had to buzz just like all the human contestants.
The same buzzer rules applied to Watson, too.

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Post #16 Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:46 pm 
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It's what we are--the human type of chimp ;-) .

I seem to recall there being a biologist or primatologist who referred to us as the third species of chimpanzee.

Pan Narrans, the Storytelling Chimp.

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fwiffo wrote:
I wonder if he'd still win if they eliminated the buzzer as a factor.
How do you mean? I thought they built a mechanical buzzer for Watson so Watson had to buzz just like all the human contestants.
The same buzzer rules applied to Watson, too.

Watson's relay presumably operates at whatever speed electrons in a current can move, which is relatively close to c. That would be much faster than human reflexes.

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Watson's mechanical solenoid finger has better reflexes than a human finger. That doesn't tell us anything about AI - just that we can build mechanical things that are better than humans at some tasks, which we already knew.

I'm suggesting that you could ask every clue in the format of Final Jeopardy, where all the players answered and the buzzer isn't a factor. That would be a more interesting test of its language understanding and answering ability.

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Fedya wrote:
EdLee wrote:
fwiffo wrote:
I wonder if he'd still win if they eliminated the buzzer as a factor.
How do you mean? I thought they built a mechanical buzzer for Watson so Watson had to buzz just like all the human contestants.
The same buzzer rules applied to Watson, too.

Watson's relay presumably operates at whatever speed electrons in a current can move, which is relatively close to c. That would be much faster than human reflexes.


A built in delay of around 0.1 sec. seems reasonable to me.

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Bill Spight wrote:
A built in delay of around 0.1 sec. seems reasonable to me.
Yes, this is nice. Like finding the correct komi. They'd have to do some experiments to find out the correct delay. :ugeek:
Perhaps they had already added a delay?

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