(;FF[4] CA[UTF-8] GM[1] DT[2020-07-05] PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/25209582] GN[European Pro League] PB[Welvang] PW[AndyKravec] BR[5d] WR[?] TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi] RE[W+2.5] SZ[19] KM[6.5] RU[Japanese] C[AI Review by KataGo strength 2000 using the 20x256 network b20c256x2-s5303129600-d1228401921. ] C[roln90: \[object Object\] ] ;B[pd] (;W[dp] C[Welvang: have fun ] (;B[pq] (;W[dd] (;B[pn] (;W[qc] (;B[qd] (;W[pc] (;B[od] (;W[nb] (;B[fq] (;W[cn] C[Ferran: I found as the last game finished that this League has opened a youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLZX9FhrvhLuRMVQQO5gfVw/featured ] (;B[cc] (;W[dc] (;B[cd] (;W[cf] (;B[bf] (;W[bg] (;B[ce] (;W[df] (;B[de] (;W[ee] (;B[ed] (;W[db] (;B[fd] (;W[fe] (;B[cb] (;W[fb] (;B[fc] (;W[ge] C[Chad Thunderredacted: black is ahead? Kimbo: I think white should save those stones Kimbo: But I guess white favors outside influence more ] (;B[hd] C[donutle: blacks opening was real nice jillgoodgal: this is some AI joseki ] (;W[gd] (;B[gc] (;W[hc] (;B[gb] (;W[ic] (;B[eb] (;W[if] (;B[fo] C[Kimbo: Hmm I think last black move was unnecessary ] (;W[ip] (;B[kp] C[bagelfan: it prevents a seki ] (;W[gp] (;B[fp] (;W[dq] C[bagelfan: \[object Object\] ] (;B[hn] C[Chad Thunderredacted: how much is that kill worth compared to seki? Chad Thunderredacted: is it worth spending a turn on? aoirinban: seki wouldnt be worth preventing, but there's a ko aoirinban: oh sorry, seki would be important aoirinban: corner would have problems Chad Thunderredacted: its a 12 point difference Chad Thunderredacted: is it really that important? jillgoodgal: so it makes white B15 less a threat? aoirinban: w e19 first makes ko aoirinban: also yes, b15 would be white's sente if that were a seki Kimbo: I see aoirinban: and that endgame is huge ] (;W[in] (;B[im] (;W[jn] C[bagelfan: \[object Object\] ] (;B[jm] (;W[lo] (;B[lp] (;W[mo] (;B[nq] (;W[hm] (;B[ho] (;W[jp] (;B[lm] (;W[gm] C[Chad Thunderredacted: pro games are so fighty ] (;B[fm] C[Kimbo: I think black is ahead in this fight ] (;W[gn] (;B[go] (;W[fn] (;B[en] (;W[em] (;B[do] (;W[dn] (;B[eo] (;W[co] (;B[fl] (;W[hl] C[aoirinban: fighting is the soul of go jillgoodgal: Ilya thinks so also ] (;B[fk] (;W[dl] C[Kimbo: Black has the ladder if needs be ] (;B[ko] C[aoirinban: l7, huh ] (;W[km] (;B[jl] (;W[kl] (;B[jk] (;W[hk] (;B[kn] C[Kimbo: Was that an overplay from black? ] (;W[gr] C[aoirinban: i suspect l5 was wishful thinking aoirinban: but maybe he saw this ] (;B[fr] C[aoirinban: i think white stones are dead ] (;W[kq] (;B[ir] C[Kimbo: I see ] (;W[ij] C[Kimbo: Black extends in the center was to get more liberties. I misread ] (;B[pi] C[aoirinban: w cash isnt enough ] (;W[ll] C[Chad Thunderredacted: has white given up that fight? ] (;B[lj] C[aoirinban: well, he can't win it ] (;W[mm] (;B[ln] (;W[mj] (;B[li] (;W[mi] C[Kimbo: If this white group can live within big black moyo then white has a chance ] (;B[lh] (;W[mh] (;B[lg] (;W[mg] (;B[lf] (;W[pg] C[Kimbo: White should just keep extending I think ] (;B[mf] (;W[pk] (;B[rc] C[Kimbo: If white lives I think white wins ] (;W[rb] C[aoirinban: depends on the specifics aoirinban: if white drops the m8 stones black should win ] (;B[re] (;W[rg] C[aoirinban: white has about 80 points aoirinban: not counting this right side aoirinban: black has 80 counted to the 6th line ] (;B[qk] C[Kimbo: White has upper right ] (;W[ql] C[aoirinban: but it seems like white should bleed a bit here ] (;B[pl] C[aoirinban: i counted that Kimbo: I see ] (;W[qj] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: so its actually somewhat close? ] (;B[rk] (;W[ol] (;B[pm] C[aoirinban: depends what you mean by close ] (;W[pj] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: i mean well oc it is, they would resign if it wouldnt ] (;B[rj] (;W[ri] (;B[qi] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: fun to see these kinda huge territories between pros ^^ ] (;W[qh] (;B[si] (;W[rh] C[aoirinban: i thought black was clearly ahead aoirinban: but something seems to have gone wrong on the right side ] (;B[rl] C[Kimbo: I actually think white might win on territory now ] (;W[sc] C[Chad Thunderredacted: white kills the m10 dragon and wins the game aoirinban: i think t17 is a mistake πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: xD ] (;B[sd] (;W[rd] (;B[nk] C[aoirinban: yeah i feel like there must be something here ] (;W[ok] C[aoirinban: but can't quite see it ] (;B[rc] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: its too big ko for b to lose ] (;W[jj] C[aoirinban: this ko isnt that big aoirinban: b15 would be a threat ] (;B[kk] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: b looks weak if he loses this ko ] (;W[rd] C[aoirinban: n8...? aoirinban: seems enough.. πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: ooh rihgt right ] (;B[ml] C[aoirinban: also the bottom white doesnt have much liberties ] (;W[nl] C[Kimbo: I think white responded incorrectly in the first ko threat ] (;B[mk] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: \[object Object\] ] (;W[nj] C[Kimbo: I think Move 124 was a mistake ] (;B[lk] C[aoirinban: that loses the q10 stones Chad Thunderredacted: he can no longer kill the dragon Chad Thunderredacted: games over Chad Thunderredacted: idk why he did that aoirinban: who lost? πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: ahh yeah jillgoodgal: wow Kimbo: I still think it’s close ] (;W[nn] (;B[rc] C[aoirinban: if w plays o6, he thinks he's losing ] (;W[qq] (;B[pr] C[aoirinban: if he thinks hes winning, finish ko ] (;W[rd] (;B[ig] (;W[hg] (;B[rc] C[Kimbo: I agree πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: andrii just too confident to have enough threats to fight forever? xD ] (;W[rn] (;B[rr] (;W[rd] (;B[hf] (;W[ih] C[Napster: Who you rootin for koba? ] (;B[jg] C[jerrymengxiao: \[object Object\] ] (;W[gg] (;B[rc] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: hmmmm, i'm rooting for both ^___^ Napster: Diplomatic ] (;W[po] C[Kimbo: I think white is a bit ahead ] (;B[qo] (;W[rd] (;B[oi] (;W[oo] C[aoirinban: that was not a good ko threat aoirinban: he blew it ] (;B[pp] C[aoirinban: w won, i think Chad Thunderredacted: was his invasino successful in the bottom left? ] (;W[qn] (;B[ro] C[Kimbo: I agree. I think white is winning but it’s close ] (;W[se] C[aoirinban: i thought black was a bit better until that ] (;B[og] C[aoirinban: p11 was just bad ] (;W[oh] C[Kimbo: Black is desperate now ] (;B[nh] C[Kimbo: He was way aheah ] (;W[ni] (;B[ph] (;W[oj] (;B[ae] (;W[ch] (;B[cs] (;W[cr] (;B[id] C[aoirinban: really, tenuki? ] (;W[jd] (;B[ie] (;W[kc] (;B[mc] (;W[mb] (;B[es] (;W[bs] (;B[ds] (;W[jh] (;B[jf] (;W[br] (;B[of] (;W[oh] (;B[ib] C[Kimbo: If I count correctly I think right now white is about 2-4 points ahead ] (;W[hb] (;B[ha] (;W[jc] (;B[lc] (;W[lb] (;B[gf] (;W[fg] C[Kimbo: So with good endgame, it can go either way aoirinban: think w is a lot ahead ] (;B[qe] C[aoirinban: komi-ish Kimbo: Oh I forgot komi lol Kimbo: Silly me ] (;W[ld] (;B[md] C[aoirinban: not even close Kimbo: I counted on the board ] (;W[ng] C[Kimbo: My bad haha ] (;B[oc] (;W[ob] (;B[sf] (;W[rf] (;B[sd] C[jillgoodgal: back to that ko ] (;W[mp] (;B[mq] (;W[se] (;B[ff] (;W[ef] (;B[sd] (;W[qp] (;B[rp] (;W[se] (;B[hh] C[Kimbo: Is that a ko threat? ] (;W[gi] (;B[sd] C[jillgoodgal: good enough ] (;W[hr] (;B[hq] (;W[se] (;B[hi] C[tekken8: very close ] (;W[hj] (;B[sd] (;W[iq] (;B[jr] (;W[se] C[jillgoodgal: I do not see black profiting from this ko? Kimbo: I think rn with komi w is 10-12 points ahead ] (;B[dm] (;W[cm] (;B[sd] (;W[rq] (;B[sq] (;W[se] (;B[gh] (;W[fh] (;B[sd] (;W[so] (;B[qr] (;W[se] (;B[fi] (;W[ii] (;B[sd] (;W[fa] (;B[ga] C[Kimbo: W has more ko threats Ferran: This is minor, but wouldn't 227@F12 be more useful? ] (;W[se] (;B[el] (;W[dm] (;B[sd] C[aoirinban: think it loses a ko threat aoirinban: the f11 one ] (;W[on] (;B[qm] (;W[se] C[Ferran: I thought it was still there. OK ] (;B[ag] (;W[ah] C[Kimbo: W has more ko threats. W can threaten to live in the bottom ] (;B[sd] (;W[af] C[aoirinban: w has only 1 ko threat there aoirinban: oh ] (;B[rc] C[aoirinban: nvm ] (;W[be] (;B[sb] C[Napster: O.o jillgoodgal: wow trade corner territory ] (;W[bb] C[πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: O__O πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: didnt see that coming aoirinban: w got the better of it ] (;B[qb] C[Kimbo: It should be over now ] (;W[pb] (;B[ra] C[Kimbo: I think b made a mistake ] (;W[jb] C[Kimbo: W can live but it’s hard for b ] (;B[ia] (;W[ja] (;B[ea] C[aoirinban: wait aoirinban: if w c19 there? ] (;W[bc] C[aoirinban: tsk, nvm Kimbo: It’s over ] (;B[ba] (;W[bd] (;B[ca] (;W[nf] C[Kimbo: Black lost more in that trade ] (;B[le] (;W[kd] (;B[mn] (;W[op] C[jillgoodgal: this is tough enough without doing it in thirty seconds aoirinban: it became really close ] (;B[oq] C[aoirinban: i can't tell who's ahead ] (;W[om] (;B[sj] C[dmeng276: white ] (;W[pf] (;B[oe] (;W[pa] (;B[np] (;W[no] (;B[qa] (;W[kh] (;B[qf] (;W[ne] C[Kimbo: Oh no ] (;B[qg] (;W[er] C[Kimbo: It’s actually close now how did it happen? Was it because of the ko exchange? ] (;B[ki] C[aoirinban: yes, white got more out of the ko ] (;W[ab] C[tekken8: in the ko exchange black lost actually ] (;B[nm] (;W[kg] (;B[kf] (;W[mm] (;B[fs] (;W[nm] (;B[me] C[Kimbo: But when did black closed the gap. It’s even now ] (;W[sg] (;B[se] (;W[sh] (;B[rm] (;W[dr] (;B[da] C[dmeng276: I think black still loses by 2-3 ] (;W[ph] (;B[if] C[tekken8: it was close but i believe black was ahead ] (;W[eq] C[dmeng276: really ] (;B[gq] C[dmeng276: I was just watching aoirinban: black was ahead for a while ] (;W[ep] C[dmeng276: didn't know that ] (;B[] (;W[] C[Welvang: gg Kimbo: Nice game Kimbo: Many fights Chad Thunderredacted: gg Kimbo: Gg Napster: Gg πŸ’– KoBa πŸ’–: gg! jillgoodgal: so close donutle: nice show! ] )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))C[error enscribing AI review information at this node, review move mismatch] ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))C[error enscribing AI review information at this node, review move mismatch] ))C[error enscribing AI review information at this node, review move mismatch] )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))