(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[480]OT[10x60 byo-yomi]
GN[The 67th Honinbo Title Match 7th game]PW[Iyama Yuuta]PB[Yamashita Keigo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2012-07-19]PC[IGS-PandaNet]RE[W+7.50]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]C[davew [4d\]: hi
pilgrim [2d+\]: hi]
;B[qk]C[madhatter [1k\]: Hi!,  at last..:) i almost got worried about my clandarreading..
davew [4d\]: poor Yamashita, still not in the title
madhatter [1k\]: *calendar
Bogg [10k\]: hello go fans
Cornel [9d\]: they did Nigiri again, since it's the last game of the match
madhatter [1k\]: hi!
elh [5d\]: just came in... Somebody knows who plays what (color)?
davew [4d\]: where's Cornel?
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita is black
chad [4d\]: morning
elh [5d\]: thanks
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, Chinese opening for black right away.
Cornel [9d\]: Cornel is watching ☺
elh [5d\]: so behave
davew [4d\]: :)
waldo [10k+\]: 4 of the 6 games were won by whoever dad black
SR123 [6k+\]: Does Yamashita have two black in a row
waldo [10k+\]: SR, yes
Cornel [9d\]: They did Nigiri before game 1, then played 6 games alternating colors
elh [5d\]: if Yama wins, Iyama can blame his bad luck]
;W[fq]C[REM [7k?\]: Are they playing with 6.5 komi like on IGS? If so, that would IMO give w slight advantage.
Cornel [9d\]: The real Cornel will comment the second day of play, I'm Ion Florescu
pilgrim [2d+\]: the real slim shady
Cornel [9d\]: the komi is 6.5, yes
malf [4k\]: good evening fellow honinbophiles
elh [5d\]: hi malf
pilgrim [2d+\]: hi malf
madhatter [1k\]: hi!
Cornel [9d\]: I'm watching a live video stream too
davew [4d\]: do they appear nervous?
Cornel [9d\]: not at all
nutty [6k+\]: iya?ma is white?
tymak [8k\]: where is live stream?
pilgrim [2d+\]: f3 not standard, right?
REM [7k?\]: Aha, when Cornel knew game had already started 10 minutes ago, guessed he's watching live video.
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita watching the upper part of the board
malf [4k\]: not approachng the chinese seems to be enjoying some popularity
Bogg [10k\]: f3 common in my database leaving white winning 5/9
Cornel [9d\]: D10!]
;B[dj]C[Quiller [4d+\]: they're late!
malf [4k\]: doing the splits!
Cornel [9d\]: splitting on the 4th line is a bit unusual
SR123 [6k+\]: where do i find the live stream?
Quiller [4d+\]: I think we can accept that I would have successfully predicted all moves so far if the coverage had started on time
Cornel [9d\]: when w approaches at C12, black's stone is exposed
Bogg [10k\]: took my db down to 2 games from 322!
Quiller [4d+\]: However, B can allow w to gouge out underneath his stone and take central influence instead
Cornel [9d\]: I can't advertise the live stream, sorry
madhatter [1k\]: e12 standard response to c12?
Gabi [6d+\]: b can tenuki olso
REM [7k?\]: wC12 looks reasonable to me.
ljkramer [15k\]: Is c12 the best response?
Cornel [9d\]: locally, C12 is the best, I think
Cornel [9d\]: the common sense, at least
SR123 [6k+\]: maybe you can tweet the link to the live stream?
Quiller [4d+\]: w may decide not to commit to C12 until he knows for certain that's the direction he wants
Cornel [9d\]: b will probably E12 in response
Quiller [4d+\]: but he risks losing the opportunity to play it at all
davew [4d\]: C14 popular
davew [4d\]: anyway, prevent b C14
REM [7k?\]: WIth bD10 in place, D4+F3 won't make big moyo, so wC12 definitely looks best direction to approach.
ljkramer [15k\]: In response to c12?
Laman: by move 7 they are already out of my database
elh [5d\]: I've seen Yamashita play the high wariuchi before
Quiller [4d+\]: E12 has been suggested by others]
;W[nc]C[Quiller [4d+\]: wariuchi? do you mean c10?
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita loves high positions and moyo games
chad [4d\]: mmm http://live.nicovideo.jp/
elh [5d\]: D10
ljkramer [15k\]: tenuki? !
elh [5d\]: ou can't talk about tenuki, there's no local play
Quiller [4d+\]: again, w may wnt to respond differently depending on how the rest of the board plays out
elh [5d\]: *you
Gabi [6d+\]: w know b can tenuki
Quiller [4d+\]: But it would not be orthodox to do so having played the Chinese
pilgrim [2d+\]: c14
yuricosta [BC\]: why w made F3? Isn't it a bit overconcentrated?
Quiller [4d+\]: no, corner enclosures are big
elh [5d\]: F3 is quite common nowadays
Quiller [4d+\]: like putting money in the bank
elh [5d\]: new style
Gabi [6d+\]: Q14
Quiller [4d+\]: I think B should Q14
CTFullstop [17k?\]: is this the honinbo match?
REM [7k?\]: Honinbo title match, game#7 (w=Iyama=challenge=3 vs. b=Yamashita=defend=3) - Is that correct?]
;B[pf]C[CTFullstop [17k?\]: Ok, thanks
Bogg [10k\]: F3 prevents white from playing there, as he would like to do, making a big moyo
yuricosta [BC\]: ok, so I got myself from go for a long time. Last time I checked, D4-F3 was bad O.o
Bogg [10k\]: /white/black
davew [4d\]: Gabi got it
pilgrim [2d+\]: I don't think d4 f3 was ever bad :)
Quiller [4d+\]: it never was]
;W[qc]C[elh [5d\]: 20 years ago, nobody would play F3 in this position]
;B[pc]C[davew [4d\]: my gosh, this is blitz go]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]C[yuricosta [BC\]: ok, maybe I'm making something up. It's been quite a long time
Laman: an early corner invasion
CTFullstop [17k?\]: Wait so this tournament is played on the computer?
Cornel [9d\]: They save time for Yose ☺
Laman: no way, CTFull
madhatter [1k\]: and the scribe is even faster than the video..:)
CTFullstop [17k?\]: LOL sorry
Laman: just some nice guy is transcribing the moves for us]
;W[qb]C[Cornel [9d\]: they play on a beautiful Goban, in a traditional Japanese room]
;B[oc]
;W[re]C[yuricosta [BC\]: no, not 20 years (but maybe the person that teached me was from this time)
davew [4d\]: maybe they have some appointments, so get it over before lunch
elh [5d\]: I said 20 just to be sure :)
pilgrim [2d+\]: I don't think the sponsors would be happy with a 3-4 hours game
Cornel [9d\]: a very fast pace, indeed
Gabi [6d+\]: w want to shock b?
elh [5d\]: the sponsors don't really care, but the local people do
yuricosta [BC\]: I'm impressed. I expected they would take longer for starting such aggressiveness
Bogg [10k\]: if this was chess I would be expecting a draw about now]
;B[rf]C[davew [4d\]: thank my lack of god it's not chess
elh [5d\]: actually this is quite calm, yuricosta]
;W[qe]
;B[qf]C[yuricosta [BC\]: I liked the last two moves
elh [5d\]: "my lack of god" lol
Cornel [9d\]: locally, this is joseki
madhatter [1k\]: o18 played
davew [4d\]: monty python
yuricosta [BC\]: I have a lot to learn, everybody. I never got out from DDK
elh [5d\]: oh
pilgrim [2d+\]: actually I don't agree this is calm..I'm watching almost daily games from chinese or korean leagues and their opening are most of the time slower than this
Cornel [9d\]: however, I'm surprised white invaded so early
Gabi [6d+\]: giving wall so soon not my favoryte
elh [5d\]: san-san keeps getting earlier and earlier in modern strategy
Cornel [9d\]: Takemiya Masaki would be delighted as black here ☺
codger [BC\]: Bottom must be tempting
davew [4d\]: maybe we should expand board to 21x21
elh [5d\]: I mean, pilgrim, that no real fight has appeared yet
madhatter [1k\]: Iyama left the room .. checking db??
elh [5d\]: the ur sequence is just joseki
REM [7k?\]: Remember everyone, davew is no longer responsible for predicting when K10 played. :-)
pilgrim [2d+\]: yes, you are right
davew [4d\]: that is true, I am no longer the man who says "K10"
ljkramer [15k\]: Is W's life in corner worth B's wall on line 14?
Laman: w thinks so
Cornel [9d\]: w O18 was played too
Cornel [9d\]: Iyama left the room after O18
Cornel [9d\]: returning now
madhatter [1k\]: o18 already played.. And Iyama back
ljkramer [15k\]: I don't see it
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita is black
Cornel [9d\]: Iyama is white
davew [4d\]: once, several thousand years ago, go board was 17x17
pilgrim [2d+\]: Iyama is making some  very surprising choices
madhatter [1k\]: the left one is iYama  i thought?
Cornel [9d\]: yes
pilgrim [2d+\]: e17, o18
madhatter [1k\]: ok thx]
;W[nb]C[CTFullstop [17k?\]: how long do they have to think?
CTFullstop [17k?\]: time limit?
elh [5d\]: your ancestor, dave, use to yell "K9!!!"
yuricosta [BC\]: O18 only appeared now
Laman: 8 hours each
davew [4d\]: elh :)
Laman: +byoyomi
Cornel [9d\]: 8 hours each, last 10 minutes being of byoyomi
malf [4k\]: :)
CTFullstop [17k?\]: 8 hours...
CTFullstop [17k?\]: that means this can last the whole day?
malf [4k\]: two days
Laman: two days, in fact
Cornel [9d\]: it's a 2 day game
CTFullstop [17k?\]: thanks
Cornel [9d\]: today they will play for 8 hours
Cornel [9d\]: there will be a lunch break after 3 hours of play
Cornel [9d\]: 1 hour break
REM [7k?\]: elh I think you mean J9 (center on 17x17)?
malf [4k\]: the aarrgghh! hour
Cornel [9d\]: at the end of day 1 play, the one to play will seal the move and resume tomorrow
davew [4d\]: but it was "K8!"
elh [5d\]: oh you're right REM :)
Bogg [10k\]: dave's ancestor was a bit unbalanced :)
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita is one of the few top players that used Tengen and 5x5 regularly in his play
yuricosta [BC\]: what will come after O18?
elh [5d\]: :)
Cornel [9d\]: he even wrote a book named "Tengen" commenting games where he started with that move and eventually winning the Tengen title ☺
Cornel [9d\]: so, he loves center play
ljkramer [15k\]: Does B split the top or play the large point on the bottom?
madhatter [1k\]: b e19 standard i thought..
Cornel [9d\]: b P19 or Q15
madhatter [1k\]: ahh p19
Cornel [9d\]: a delicate choice
davew [4d\]: O19 or P19, is that the decision?
elh [5d\]: Yamashita once said in an interview that he played strange in the opening because he "was bad at fuseki"
CTFullstop [17k?\]: would black be fine if he played p 19 and then w did q 15
SR123 [6k+\]: stage if they did not know this position already
ljkramer [15k\]: are they sente?
Cornel [9d\]: sente is important in the opening
SR123 [6k+\]: -> strange
codger [BC\]: sagari
rogeko [6k+\]: b s fine after t 19
Laman: O19
rogeko [6k+\]: w need t18
Cornel [9d\]: black Q15 is more likely to end sente, while P19 surely ends gote
elh [5d\]: Cho U played Q19 against Iyama in this (local) position recently
Quiller [4d+\]: and w misread
ljkramer [15k\]: but isn't Isn't q19 gote?
codger [BC\]: fewer liberties
elh [5d\]: well, it's a *very* subtle point
pilgrim [2d+\]: no...r18 group can be killed in this form
Cornel [9d\]: w is alive in the corner
Cornel [9d\]: w R16 secures a living shape
SR123 [6k+\]: After black 7 D10 they already leaves my database
Cornel [9d\]: I mean, if adding a stone at R16, w is alive unconditionally
ljkramer [15k\]: I was surprised W made LL shimari so early.
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita not wearing glasses today, first time for this series
Laman: ljkramer: it appears in many recent games against the chinese
Laman: *no the
Mithrandir [12k\]: Would a tenuki viable now?
madhatter [1k\]: if b q19 or p19, i guess w will first play q15, b p15, w 016, b conncets, and then r16 or other living shape..?
Cornel [9d\]: F3 is not really common, indeed
malf [4k\]: W is dead without r16
malf [4k\]: start at t15
REM [7k?\]: If bQ15, will w play P19 in reply?
Cornel [9d\]: yes, REM
Cornel [9d\]: so b sente
ljkramer [15k\]: Aren't r16 and q19 miai?
Cornel [9d\]: yes, they are
Cornel [9d\]: O18 makes them miai
Cornel [9d\]: without O18, if w tenuki, then b can kill the corner
Cornel [9d\]: O18's aim is to reduce b's influence at the top
Cornel [9d\]: it slows down b's development towards the top area
davew [4d\]: come on, b isn't going to q15 and let w connect out
Cornel [9d\]: actually, that's what he's pondering upon
Bogg [10k\]: is there a reason to prefer P19 over O19?
davew [4d\]: I thought p19 vs. o19
Cornel [9d\]: if O19 , the corner shape is different
ljkramer [15k\]: I guess B expects enough terr on top to balance B's terr on right
Cornel [9d\]: w Q19 would be sente for example
madhatter [1k\]: p19 it is
davew [4d\]: Bogg and I on parallel tracks :)
davew [4d\]: how do you know that, mad?
madhatter [1k\]: live video..
davew [4d\]: cheating!!
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
Mithrandir [12k\]: pfft, don't spoil it
malf [4k\]: isn't o19 honte?
madhatter [1k\]: and next  R16 O14...:)
REM [7k?\]: ljkramer means W (not B) expects enough terr on top?
davew [4d\]: where's our scribe then
Cornel [9d\]: O19 is not honte, but P19
madhatter [1k\]: asleep
pilgrim [2d+\]: I think p19 also honte
codger [BC\]: scribe-lag
Cornel [9d\]: O19 leaves w a sente play at Q19, so the corner shape is different
malf [4k\]: Izu Shizuoka :)
SR123 [6k+\]: b p19 w q15 is the normal sequence
madhatter [1k\]: no.. the scribe was even faster with 2 moves..:)
madhatter [1k\]: (than the video)]
;B[oa]C[ljkramer [15k\]: not p19, r16?]
;W[qd]
;B[nf]C[ljkramer [15k\]: yes, p19 r16 for life
pilgrim [2d+\]: r9 looks nice now
Cornel [9d\]: O14 is normally played at Q15
REM [7k?\]: Two eyeless stones O1718 sitting on black wall, aji w hopes.
Cornel [9d\]: black expects a w play at the top, then he probably plans to return to O4 area
Quiller [4d+\]: But it's an interesting innovation
ljkramer [15k\]: side moyo is looking awfully large
Quiller [4d+\]: o16 is sente but just makes a bigger investment to protect
Cornel [9d\]: O14 emphasizes the South-center area
Gabi [6d+\]: R17 hot for me so soon b look ok
Cornel [9d\]: it's a bit closer to D10, too
ljkramer [15k\]: Isn't r9 too close to B wall for W to invade?
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita got his glasses back
Quiller [4d+\]: yes
Quiller [4d+\]: kramer
Quiller [4d+\]: w will certainly not invade between r9 and r14
Cornel [9d\]: true, that area is too narrow
Quiller [4d+\]: not in the foreseeable future anyway, maybe around move 250
Cornel [9d\]: w will rather invade between Q3 and R9 instead
ljkramer [15k\]: so if W is going to reduce right dide, he has to invade between o3 and r9
Cornel [9d\]: at the moment, w focuses at the top area
Cornel [9d\]: K16 or so
REM [7k?\]: Does w immediately develop O1718 towards left, or reduce moyo at Q8 or Q5?
Cornel [9d\]: top area is urgent
Quiller [4d+\]: I disagree, but that is probably my lack of imagination
davew [4d\]: I'll take Q5
Mithrandir [12k\]: Is M16 a viable topside play?
Quiller [4d+\]: I'm not sure q 5 is the right point
REM [7k?\]: I'm thinking wL17
Cornel [9d\]: w must play not too close to b's wall
ljkramer [15k\]: with p19 there, can W k16, or should he k17?
Quiller [4d+\]: m16 is too narrow a jump
Cornel [9d\]: K16 looks well balanced
Quiller [4d+\]: w dosn't want to commit to saving the two stones
Quiller [4d+\]: he wants to be able to give them away provided doing so is small
Cornel [9d\]: I think w higher play is better, given b's moyo-orientated strategy
nutty [6k+\]: bet l17
ljkramer [15k\]: Doesn't top moyo depend on them?
Bogg [10k\]: ? white's ideal would be to force black to capture O17?
Quiller [4d+\]: so as Clever Cornel suggests K16 is a good move
Quiller [4d+\]: again O16 is sente, that would make a very nice shape with K16
ljkramer [15k\]: That's why he's 9d, and I'm 15k
REM [7k?\]: nutty: I got wL17 first, sorry.
Gabi [6d+\]: K16 bC14
Quiller [4d+\]: I'm going to vote for P5]
;W[jd]C[Cornel [9d\]: I like black so far
Quiller [4d+\]: But Cornel's wisdom prevails again!
REM [7k?\]: I like Quiller's discussion, but not necessarily wK16. Nevermind.
Mithrandir [12k\]: Tenuki at  Q6?
Cornel [9d\]: b's stones are working together, on a large scale
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't think Q6 is correct
Cornel [9d\]: Q6 leaves a bad aji in the corner
Quiller [4d+\]: in fact I'm certain Q6 is bad, locally Q5 is much better
Cornel [9d\]: not recommended
elh [5d\]: w N4 looks normal
ljkramer [15k\]: Is it time for B to extend on bottom, or must he reduce W top?
davew [4d\]: Cornel wins
Cornel [9d\]: b H17?
Quiller [4d+\]: But I think L4 or K4 are better points for B
jujubu [6k\]: which player is black ?
Laman: Yamashita
ljkramer [15k\]: Yama
jujubu [6k\]: thanks
Gabi [6d+\]: C14
chad [4d\]: after a little hunting the live video is
chad [4d\]: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864109
Quiller [4d+\]: what about K14?
Bogg [10k\]: as black has two ways to devolop D10 & Q3, does he play something like K14?
davew [4d\]: Ill take L4
ljkramer [15k\]: I like l4, but they're 9ps and I'm 15k
davew [4d\]: ljk confirms my move!
elh [5d\]: b N4 I mean
jujubu [6k\]: black wall seems to call for being used soon
Quiller [4d+\]: if H17 is viable then K14 makes it even more severer
ljkramer [15k\]: n4 allows W a good extension, so I don't like it.
pilgrim [2d+\]: g4?
Cornel [9d\]: G4 is an excellent move, in the overall situation
Cornel [9d\]: however, I think it's a bit too early
elh [5d\]: G4 could be interesting... Scary way to play tho
jujubu [6k\]: what about f17 or g17 or near there ?
Quiller [4d+\]: Cornel suggested H17
xgc [3d+\]: too early for center
xxnn [4d\]: O16 still important I think
xgc [3d+\]: imho
Quiller [4d+\]: I think K14 offers a lot of potential on the top and makes it hard for w to enter the lower right without giving up a huge center
jujubu [6k\]: p15 area easy to defend
Laman: on Friday Iyama showed us how to play cosmic, in the Gosei game #2
Bogg [10k\]: Q, so I was on the right track, maybe?
jujubu [6k\]: strength at q14 suggests black wants to fight elsewhere
Quiller [4d+\]: I suggested it first, but yes, I agree
xxnn [4d\]: I almost think O16 is the only move. considering all the other moves don't have big presure on both sides:
xgc [3d+\]: k4 possible ?
chad [4d\]: ko materyal?
jujubu [6k\]: i wonder about pros
Quiller [4d+\]: but o16 seems small
jujubu [6k\]: seems they spend their time considering moves that never get played
Bogg [10k\]: sorry didn't see your comment while I was typing. mostly curious about my reasoning
Quiller [4d+\]: there's no easy big way to catch those two stones
xgc [3d+\]: fairly high game so far so i think move on fourth line is to be expected
REM [7k?\]: xxnn: bO16 allows w to sacriice 2 stones on very small scale to build big top territory.
REM [7k?\]: Any future for bK18 to undermine w's topside territory?
Laman: .
Cornel [9d\]: there is bad aji at the top area, it's too early to call it territory
ljkramer [15k\]: I think B needs a sente play that threatens while building, so it might not be l4, but it's a huge point, and B doesn't want W to get it
jujubu [6k\]: anywhere black plays won't stop white from entering that area
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: Yes, I mean undermine w to prevent w from getting territory at top.
Cornel [9d\]: if b acts now, H17 is correct
jujubu [6k\]: is h17 better than further left ?
ljkramer [15k\]: H17 before m17?
jujubu [6k\]: white can f17 or g16 in response
chad [4d\]: ))
chad [4d\]: F17
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: If now bH17, then wF17, next slide to bK17?
Gabi [6d+\]: C14or N4
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita went for F17
Gabi [6d+\]: H17 to soon for me
Cornel [9d\]: the losing move ☺
REM [7k?\]: Cornel(Ian) faster then scribe again?
REM [7k?\]: Cornel(Ian) faster than scribe again?
Laman: the scribe is a slowpoke
chad [4d\]: well the live video feed is there]
;B[fc]C[kiseijoy [BC\]: fight!
codger [BC\]: where?
kiseijoy [BC\]: f17...
jujubu [6k\]: yamashita lives to fight outta tough spots
Quiller [4d+\]: Does anyone here remember the TV show Monkey?
elh [5d\]: Yamashita doesn't want to put all his eggs in the LR basket
chad [4d\]: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864109
Cornel [9d\]: making all your stones work together is very important in Go
ljkramer [15k\]: do you expect W c14 now?
codger [BC\]: 2 pix, no video.  ?
REM [7k?\]: wH17 pincer
Cornel [9d\]: w E17 is normal
chad [4d\]: you do need to register..
jujubu [6k\]: which pro plays normal ?
codger [BC\]: argh. No ink
chad [4d\]: or may... the video is below the pics
ljkramer [15k\]: e17 with B d10 there?
Cornel [9d\]: most of the moves a pro plays are well balanced, normal moves
Cornel [9d\]: smart and subtle, but still keeping the balance
Quiller [4d+\]: that's the point Kageyama makes in "The Fundamentals of Go"
REM [7k?\]: If not my pincer, then I'm OK with wE17 bF16 wD14 (or wC14??)
davew [4d\]: soundls like philosophy
Cornel [9d\]: Go is a form of harmony, that's what Go Seigen said
REM [7k?\]: Quiller: Title "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go"?
ljkramer [15k\]: Any chance W will attack d10 around e12?
Quiller [4d+\]: And he should know, the game is named after him
WeAreCake [15k?\]: wat
REM [7k?\]: Quiller: No, Go game 4000 years old, Seigen named after the game.
Cornel [9d\]: we're still far from understanding the game entirely, so there will always be some philosophical debates
Quiller [4d+\]: That's what you think, but the people who named it were psychic you see]
;W[ec]C[Cornel [9d\]: ☺]
;B[fd]C[WeAreCake [15k?\]: Quiller's trollin' you bro]
;W[df]C[momo0329 [8k\]: �����v?
chad [4d\]: is that lunch or snacks already>
ljkramer [15k\]: B j17 now?
Cornel [9d\]: J17 would be answered at K17, helping w more than b
momo0329 [8k\]: �ŕs?
Gabi [6d+\]: not clear what b do
Cornel [9d\]: b K18 might be a good idea
Cornel [9d\]: b wants to use all his stones into attacking w's top area position
momo0329 [8k\]: I dont think so
Gabi [6d+\]: K18 nice
ljkramer [15k\]: kill W's base
Mithrandir [12k\]: K14 now helps in two directions
momo0329 [8k\]: why they same name
Cornel [9d\]: ?
Gabi [6d+\]: K18 use  O14
chad [4d\]: Iyama took break
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita plays Iwama
Cornel [9d\]: Iyama*
Cornel [9d\]: Yama means mountain in both names
chad [4d\]: recorder switched
davew [4d\]: Two mountains in collision
Bogg [10k\]: black can't afford  H16 J17 G13 can he?
Cornel [9d\]: Shita means bottom, while "i" in Iyama stands for well (fountain)
momo0329 [8k\]: is he pro?
Cornel [9d\]: 9 dan pro, both of them
Cornel [9d\]: it's a live broadcast
Cornel [9d\]: they play face to face
Quiller [4d+\]: under the mountain means he is under a lot of pressure
Cornel [9d\]: mainichi is the name of the sponsor, a Japanese newspaper
momo0329 [8k\]: who?true name
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita Keigo vs Iyama Yuta
chad [4d\]: Iyama eating melon
mehnzilli [BC\]: who is the honinbo?
momo0329 [8k\]: im lee Chang hoo
Quiller [4d+\]: My surname means "Little Pig" in French so I think these guys lucked out
ljkramer [15k\]: Iyama has 2 high titles, Yamashita is defending Honinbo.
Laman: aww, i feel sleepy, does anyone want to go to bed instead of me?
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
ljkramer [15k\]: They are probably the best 2 players in Japan.
Laman: with Cho U, they probably make the best 3 in Japan
ljkramer [15k\]: I would if I had someone to sleep with :-(
momo0329 [8k\]: japanese player is weak these years
Quiller [4d+\]: But I think Iyama is the only one in the world top 30
REM [7k?\]: Cornel(Ian) got E17, second pp, but how many pp do I get for resulting joseki?
chad [4d\]: H17
Cornel [9d\]: you're the pp man ☺
momo0329 [8k\]: where r u from ?
Quiller [4d+\]: I'm from the internet
chad [4d\]: http://www.peepo.com Ion?
momo0329 [8k\]: country
Quiller [4d+\]: Australia
chad [4d\]: pp is a little obscure
chad [4d\]: w J17
Cornel [9d\]: prediction points
Cornel [9d\]: a game REM plays
chad [4d\]: b J15
momo0329 [8k\]: go popular in AUS�H
Cornel [9d\]: as we're discussing the game, the one who guesses next move gets a pp from REM
davew [4d\]: I don't have a pp yet, sigh
davew [4d\]: seems we have a new IGS coinage
Cornel [9d\]: it's a tough game, as there are often several good moves, leading to a close game
davew [4d\]: soon we will need an IGS dictionary
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
Quiller [4d+\]: not very, maybe a hundred or two hundred players all up
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: I gave myself just one pp for F16, because I hedged D14/C14.
chad [4d\]: Iyama removes jacket
Laman: hmm, there is a pretty good chance that the Meijin title match will feature the same two players as this one]
;B[hc]
;W[ic]
;B[ie]C[Cornel [9d\]: true, they are in good shape lately
Cornel [9d\]: Iyama is one of the very few Japanese top players that took lessons over the internet from his teacher
Cornel [9d\]: actually, I don't know another case
REM [7k?\]: Ouch, b is wedged into such a small shape there.
davew [4d\]: who was Iyama's teacher?
Quiller [4d+\]: J15 is a really nice shape
kiseijoy [BC\]: b shape is concentrated but strong
codger [BC\]: O14 is earning its keep.
Cornel [9d\]: Ishii Kunio 9p is Iyama's teacher
REM [7k?\]: Is wH16 playable?
Cornel [9d\]: they are said to have played more than 1000 games onliine
davew [4d\]: thanks C
nebulous [1k+\]: who's W?
davew [4d\]: on IGS or private?
Cornel [9d\]: not sure on which server
REM [7k?\]: Honinbo title match, game#7 (w=Iyama=challenge=3 vs. b=Yamashita=defend=3) - Is that correct?
Cornel [9d\]: online though
Cornel [9d\]: correct, REM
nebulous [1k+\]: thanks, REM]
;W[je]C[Quiller [4d+\]: H16 is not advisable for w
chad [4d\]: w K15
chad [4d\]: ? my feed must be slow...
kiseijoy [BC\]: you're a Go Genius!
jujubu [6k\]: black board now looks more balanced, one weak group and all the rest in fine shape
Quiller [4d+\]: on the other hand B has an isolated floating stone while w is unconditionally alive in all grps
REM [7k?\]: chad predicted wK15, next he'll predict 2008 economic crash. :-)
chad [4d\]: k15 may seem obvious, but the live feed has no move yet...
Cornel [9d\]: Iyama has 14 titles and 8 runner-ups so far, while Yamashita has 19 titles and 18 runner-ups
chad [4d\]: maybe drooped out briefly?
Cornel [9d\]: is runners-up the right word, or runner-ups?
nebulous [1k+\]: runners-up
Cornel [9d\]: thanks
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: Technically, runners-up is correct.
nebulous [1k+\]: but both OK
Cornel [9d\]: it felt a bit weird
Bogg [10k\]: how much older is Yamashita?
Bob [6k\]: As an English speaker  you are speaking in the plural so I would say -ups.
REM [7k?\]: In high-school English class in California, "runner-ups" would be marked wrong.
Cornel [9d\]: 10 years older
Bogg [10k\]: thx
nebulous [1k+\]: as the media debase the language, runner-ups will become more widely accepted
Cornel [9d\]: I see...
jojoyo [4k+\]: no i think runners-up is right]
;B[jf]C[Cornel [9d\]: my language, Romanian, is undergoing some changes, too
chad [4d\]: up does not have a plural
nebulous [1k+\]: oh?
leobravo [7k+\]: black is iyama or yamashita??
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Yes, you know, but even more, you know, more, you know, annoying, is repeated use, you know, ...
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: uppity
nebulous [1k+\]: Yama
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: wow the final
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: do or die
ss13 [1k\]: may peace prevail on earth !
leobravo [7k+\]: thx
Cornel [9d\]: words that were wrong a while ago are becoming right lately, due to their common use
REM [7k?\]: wJ14 (when in doubt, cut!)
jojoyo [4k+\]: confirmed..  preferred form of plural is runners-up
leobravo [7k+\]: h16
Cornel [9d\]: cut is the first instinct, indeed
Bogg [10k\]: irregardless (my most hated)
Cornel [9d\]: as you can see, b tries to put all his stones at work
Benford [9k?\]: Random House unabridged says runners-up
CTFullstop [17k?\]: two hours have past already rofl
davew [4d\]: L14 (cheap pp)
Cornel [9d\]: time's flying...
jojoyo [4k+\]: Cornel's first instinct must be right..  CUT!  CUT!  CUT!
Benford [9k?\]: Just logged on. Who's black today?
REM [7k?\]: Bogg: Back around 1975 I said "irregardless" and Ralph Goren corrected me; he was correct.
jojoyo [4k+\]: oh sorry, did i say that out loud?
REM [7k?\]: Honinbo title match, game#7 (w=Iyama=challenge=3 vs. b=Yamashita=defend=3)
davew [4d\]: time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like banannas
Bogg [10k\]: not any more. the dictionary defines irregardless with - see regardless :)
leobravo [7k+\]: is a ultimate game :o
REM [7k?\]: davew: Well, it's either the cut or the hane, depending on mood of player.
mozai [1d+\]: fruit flies like black tea
mozai [1d+\]: make them live longer
chad [4d\]: more melon
nebulous [1k+\]: niceties like using the singular form of a verb with a group noun seem to be doomed
xxnn [4d\]: L14 only move I can see
xxnn [4d\]: or maybe O16 first?
Cornel [9d\]: cut is a powerful move, xxnn
Cornel [9d\]: w is strong enough for that cut
davew [4d\]: you mean J14?
xxnn [4d\]: true. L14 too passive
REM [7k?\]: If wL14, bM15 wL15 bM17 good for b, so I'll stick with cut wJ14 instead.
Gabi [6d+\]: J14 H15 than what?
chad [4d\]: Honinbo appears ~6" taller
Gabi [6d+\]: J14 H15 L14 K13 L13 K12 only help b
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: o16 and o19 both weak points
xxnn [4d\]: J14 H15 H14
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: not much room fer eyes
Cornel [9d\]: J14 H15 J13
jujubu [6k\]: how urgent is that little black group situation ?
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: i would want L 14
jujubu [6k\]: why not near d12 ?
Bogg [10k\]: comments like 'white is strong enough to cut' confuse me. doesn't at least some of the strength need to be near by?
jujubu [6k\]: e12
davew [4d\]: b lives instantly with g18 whenever needed
chad [4d\]: H left
jujubu [6k\]: black can still invade top left as stones lie
Cornel [9d\]: strength of a group is a relative thing, mostly related to one's ability to fight
Bogg [10k\]: thx
bgrieco [17k?\]: I'm pretty new to this, but J14 would prevent black from spreading downwards
jujubu [6k\]: yamashita can fight outta nearly impossible looking situatinos
jujubu [6k\]: situations
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: or run to centre
REM [7k?\]: I was going to answer J14 H15 -> J13, but Cornel said it first; agree.
jujubu [6k\]: i think black might want to preserve c15 invasion for later
dionysus [5k+\]: Iyama looks stressed
Cornel [9d\]: there are very long sequences starting here
chad [4d\]: but is that his normal state?
nebulous [1k+\]: could answer cut with j16 then g15
Cornel [9d\]: often, a pro is acting stresses during a game, to confuse his opponent
Cornel [9d\]: stressed*
chad [4d\]: Kobayashi fidgetted all the time
Cornel [9d\]: I've witnessed some impressive performances ☺
jujubu [6k\]: like the paul newman character in the color of money ?
danny [4k+\]: What for is the exchange if J17 & H17?
Cornel [9d\]: Cho Chikun is by far the most noisy pro
elh [5d\]: :)
danny [4k+\]: Not if but of
davew [4d\]: tennis pros scream, its getting ridiculous
vitrifying [17k?\]: is the game broadcast live somewhere? how do you know Iyama looks stressed?
Cornel [9d\]: H17 is trying to build a base
Cornel [9d\]: for example, b G18 later on, will secure 2 eyes
elh [5d\]: McEnroe screamed a lot already
Laman: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864109
danny [4k+\]: Thanks!
vitrifying [17k?\]: wow, thanks, I will give it a try!
REM [7k?\]: If wJ14(cut) bJ16 wJ18 is bG15(nebulous) still best, even if next wG18?
Laman: but i am afraid you have to be registered
chad [4d\]: later guys...
Bogg [10k\]: bye
Cornel [9d\]: the more w thinks, the less likely to cut...]
;W[kf]C[vitrifying [17k?\]: correct! i just found out the hard way :-)
davew [4d\]: my pp!
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
CTFullstop [17k?\]: so black has to connect now?
vitrifying [17k?\]: but thanks anyway; i am surprised that they would allow cameras this late into the game
REM [7k?\]: davew wins the point for L14(hane), congrats.
eyra3 [4d?\]: and lyama is playingwhich stones?
davew [4d\]: no I can be happy for one evening
Bogg [10k\]: w
xxnn [4d\]: hm. Seems my instincts is professional
REM [7k?\]: davew: "no" -> "now" ?
davew [4d\]: right :)
xxnn [4d\]: J14
eyra3 [4d?\]: vs. k13... ?
xxnn [4d\]: considering black right side's thickness, let white come out]
;B[id]C[davew [4d\]: my reasoning exactly
REM [7k?\]: Agree, bJ14 solid, eliminates value of cutting points against b.
Cornel [9d\]: w is a bit too defensive, too territorial
Cornel [9d\]: b wants double hane
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, while I was typing that, Yamashita played a different move, sigh.
xxnn [4d\]: K17 K14 O16 Q15 (M15 or L13?)
jujubu [6k\]: maybe too early for a fight but did anyone suggest m17 ?
Cornel [9d\]: w K17 b L13 seems normal
jujubu [6k\]: i rather think black is checking a bunch of possible attacks and his defences before playing elsewhere ?
REM [7k?\]: After bJ16, w can sacrifice J17 to make major entry into b moyo with wK13
Quiller [4d+\]: the baby-eating bishop of bath and wells
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: what?
Quiller [4d+\]: sorry, wrong chat slot :)
davew [4d\]: Blackadder?
Quiller [4d+\]: talking with someone about a comedy show
eyra3 [4d?\]: : )   - n4
Quiller [4d+\]: exactly
jujubu [6k\]: Q did you know thug several years ago ?]
;W[jc]
;B[kg]C[Quiller [4d+\]: thug, I don't remember particularly, but maybe I did, why do you ask?
nebulous [1k+\]: 1 for C. REM
davew [4d\]: big C scores again
Cornel [9d\]: black looks good to me
nebulous [1k+\]: 2
Cornel [9d\]: better attitude, at least
jujubu [6k\]: he bowed out of the picture pretty much when tobe started
xxnn [4d\]: M13 ?
nebulous [1k+\]: agree
nebulous [1k+\]: m13
Cornel [9d\]: agree too]
;W[if]
;B[jg]C[xxnn [4d\]: M13 K13 O16 Q15 N14 O13 M12
xxnn [4d\]: what?
nebulous [1k+\]: oops]
;W[hb]C[Cornel [9d\]: wow
nebulous [1k+\]: h14
jojoyo [4k+\]: w wants to live in sente and he doesn't care who knows it
Cornel [9d\]: Iyama couldn't take it anymore
elh [5d\]: he misread the ladder!
xxnn [4d\]: H14 G17 J13 F18 ?
davew [4d\]: h14, then tenuki
REM [7k?\]: xxnn got K17 before Cornel, but Cornel got L13 correct.
Cornel [9d\]: b G18 not working?
Quiller [4d+\]: depends what you mean by working
Cornel [9d\]: aiming at the squeeze
xxnn [4d\]: G18 H16 H15 G17 G16 H17 G14 F18 H12
Cornel [9d\]: looks good
jujubu [6k\]: g18 asks for a response that makes top left invasion hard later
Quiller [4d+\]: the question is sente
xxnn [4d\]: black is gote
xxnn [4d\]: compare to simply H14
Cornel [9d\]: there are some long sequences to read..
xxnn [4d\]: looks one way lane to me:(
eyra3 [4d?\]: i'm surprised they'reresolving these local positions so early
jujubu [6k\]: do they play out dozens of whole sequences mentally or just guage parts of the board ?
davew [4d\]: they read long sequences, ju
Quiller [4d+\]: a bit of both
Cornel [9d\]: they play out dozens of sequences mentally, each of them very long
nebulous [1k+\]: yes eyra, I feel that about this game
nebulous [1k+\]: amatuer style
Cornel [9d\]: at this level, they read 40-50 moves at a glance
jujubu [6k\]: i only read 30-35
eyra3 [4d?\]: yikes
nebulous [1k+\]: but just pros more hard-nosed today
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
xxnn [4d\]: I am sure jujubu can read more than 40, though I suspect mostly made the wrong choice at step 2 or 3:)
nebulous [1k+\]: 40-50 incredible
jujubu [6k\]: anyway that's what i meant about them spending time considering moves that will never be played because each move passes the test of being ok in a number of continuations then the opponent
xxnn [4d\]: this sequence may work:
xxnn [4d\]: G18 H16 H15 G17 G16 H17 E18 G15 H14 D18 E15
nebulous [1k+\]: half an hour till lunch
xxnn [4d\]: actually, not work for b
eyra3 [4d?\]: abandon h17?
xxnn [4d\]: w has H13 G14 F14 next
REM [7k?\]: If bG18 wH16 bG1 wG17(ko) bH15 wH17(fillKo) but then b dilemma F18/G14 so good for w?
xxnn [4d\]: wait, still  works
malifaun [1k\]: simply h16 for b ?
eyra3 [4d?\]: h14?
xxnn [4d\]: when w f14, b simply F15
Quiller [4d+\]: what about o4?
eyra3 [4d?\]: n4 earlier vote
nutty [6k+\]: m14
davew [4d\]: did we agree G18 wrong? Can't see why now
malifaun [1k\]: not rather k4 instead of o4 ?
Quiller [4d+\]: G18 doesn't necessarily wrong
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't think so
jujubu [6k\]: doesn't h16 just add weight ?
Cornel [9d\]: G18 leads to some difficult sequences
xxnn [4d\]: yep, g18 works
jujubu [6k\]: g18 can work later
REM [7k?\]: Did davew see my sequence starting with bG18 ko filled good for w?
Bogg [10k\]: if b  G18 can't w  H14?
davew [4d\]: no, sorry
davew [4d\]: wnet for another glass of wine
malifaun [1k\]: h14 ?
Quiller [4d+\]: if B plays G18 sercuring the cutting stone at J14 doesn't seem easy
eyra3 [4d?\]: under the new "2 votes" rule, i choose h14 or n4
REM [7k?\]: Nevermind, after bG18, wH16 is double atari, horrible for b.
Cornel [9d\]: after this squeeze: G18 H16 H15 G17 G16 H17
davew [4d\]: not really; b just h15
Bogg [10k\]: thx Q if that was answering my question
Cornel [9d\]: black wants to continue at E18
Quiller [4d+\]: that's the whole point REM, B is willing to sacrifice the stone at H17
Cornel [9d\]: but w will cut at G15 and black seems to be in trouble
Quiller [4d+\]: that's how I read it too
xxnn [4d\]: guys, game 615 is worth watching
WeAreCake [15k?\]: Iyama is black, right?
Cornel [9d\]: no, he is white
REM [7k?\]: Yes Cornel, your squeeze sequence leaves b with two weak points, bad for b.
WeAreCake [15k?\]: ah
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't think N4 or o4 are good because J13 is then really big
REM [7k?\]: Quiller Yes, b sacrifices+squeezes, but still his remaining stones weak.
Quiller [4d+\]: I think B would be well advised to play J13 H13 first, then come away to o4
REM [7k?\]: One move that definitely doesn't work: bH13.
Quiller [4d+\]: B can play H16 then H13
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't like H14
jojoyo [4k+\]: b really needs to play something locally.. yes?
Cornel [9d\]: b E15?
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: ?
Cornel [9d\]: E15, if answered, prevents the later cut in the sequence shown above
Quiller [4d+\]: E15 is a bit slippery
Cornel [9d\]: I doubt w will answer though
elh [5d\]: E15 looks a lil' crude
malifaun [1k\]: w g17 then ?
REM [7k?\]: I think malifaun's bH16(bamboo), envelop J14 on large scale, is best.
SNSbay [17k?\]: n
Quiller [4d+\]: But it can't be best, I didn't suggest it
Quiller [4d+\]: you're talking nonsense REM
jojoyo [4k+\]: how about b G18, squeeze, end up with E15?
elh [5d\]: H16 bad shape
Cornel [9d\]: most probably, Yamashita will play after the lunch break
Cornel [9d\]: 15 minutes left
davew [4d\]: aaaaaaaaaaargh
Quiller [4d+\]: this is why lunchbreaks are a bad idea
Cornel [9d\]: so he might get 1 free hour of thinking
malifaun [1k\]: i dont like h16 anymore
nebulous [1k+\]: what are you drinking, davew?
elh [5d\]: talk about tennis players
Quiller [4d+\]: it provides negative incentives
davew [4d\]: Washington State chardonnay
nebulous [1k+\]: doesn't seem to agree with you
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: why not play 7 mins b4 lunch and make the other seal
Quiller [4d+\]: that's why the Vikings called America vinland, vines all over the place
REM [7k?\]: On the other hand, maybe bH15 wG17 bG16 and play ko is best for b.
Quiller [4d+\]: even in Washington state
REM [7k?\]: DevaSatyam: No seal for lunch, free thinking time.
davew [4d\]: right
Quiller [4d+\]: along with deadly Australian tree fungus
davew [4d\]: also, my name is properly pronounced Vik, as in Viking
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: north pole is coming towards  america slowly slowly creeping for 7000 years
REM [7k?\]: malifaun not like H16 now, maybe like my H15 instead?
elh [5d\]: apparently pro onlookers are studying b E18 next
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: almost there now
codger [BC\]: extra time compensation for shortening it down to 8 hrs.
Quiller [4d+\]: we'll be more polite in future dave in case you go for your axe
davew [4d\]: elh, how do you know aboyt pro onlookers
malifaun [1k\]: maybe g16
elh [5d\]: comments on nico-nico dooga
eyra3 [4d?\]: if they're looking there could they be looking at c17?
jojoyo [4k+\]: so you really should be dawev then?
REM [7k?\]: If my bH15 wG17 bG16 and w wins ko, w can cut at G15, so maybe ko not best for b.
davew [4d\]: well, we scandanavians are peaceful now
Cornel [9d\]: if b H15, w won't atari, REM
jojoyo [4k+\]: i have some scandinavian..  1/4 dane
elh [5d\]: certain 1p says H14 is the best b can do
Quiller [4d+\]: You say that now, but get the Danish and Swededs talking about one another
davew [4d\]: right, dave the viking
Cornel [9d\]: no need for that atari, if w wants to connect, he can do it directly at F18
Quiller [4d+\]: I lived in Sweden for 6 months
Cornel [9d\]: H15 leaves a bad aji though and the shape is bad, too
SNSbay [17k?\]: m
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: if b H15, will w tenuki, save atari+ko aji for later?
Cornel [9d\]: yes, I think so
jojoyo [4k+\]: let me ask my question again..  what about G18, then squeeze, then E15?
Cornel [9d\]: w can cut at G15
Quiller [4d+\]: seems hard for B to do that and secure the J154 stone
Cornel [9d\]: that's very annoying
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, if b H15, w has option atari or connect, so either now is aji keshi, hence tenuki for sure?
Cornel [9d\]: yes
jojoyo [4k+\]: because of the double atari you mean?
Cornel [9d\]: there is no double atari, but b is lacking liberties
jojoyo [4k+\]: n/m i was working from a false assumption
malf [4k\]: for the Japanese:
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
Cornel [9d\]: 1 minute to the lunch break
xxnn [4d\]: now seems to me G18 is only move
REM [7k?\]: Is jojoyo thinking of bG18 wH16 (double atari)?
Cornel [9d\]: we'll have the question answered in 1 hour
xxnn [4d\]: G18 H16 H15 G17 G16 H16 E18 D18 G14
jojoyo [4k+\]: of course the G15 cut is an issue
xxnn [4d\]: b note bad
malifaun [1k\]: if b h14, would w connect ?
xxnn [4d\]: note -> not
dionysus [5k+\]: lunch dude just walked in
mainichi [9p\]: For Japanese: ���H�x�e�B�ߌ�1���ĊJ
Cornel [9d\]: see you in 1 hour!
Quiller [4d+\]: c u
REM [7k?\]: Every time they announce lunch in Japanese, it wedges my VT100 emulator and I have to reconnect.
Quiller [4d+\]: you're using a VT100 emulator?
jojoyo [4k+\]: well i still think b E15 might be playable after the G18/squeeze sequence, despite the cut, but the sequences are long and complicated
jojoyo [4k+\]: so i guess i should say it's possible that it's playable
jojoyo [4k+\]: well you don't think he has an actual VT100 do you?
REM [7k?\]: Quiller Yes. With only 9MB of RAM I can't run a regular Web browser from here.
Quiller [4d+\]: You may as well be having the moves transcribed on clay tablets and mailed to you
REM [7k?\]: Twice I typed 9MB instead of 8MB, and didn't notice it was still wrong 2nd time.
Quiller [4d+\]: this is the 21st century man!
jojoyo [4k+\]: when the IGS was first up i played on it terminal mode
jojoyo [4k+\]: that was painful
Quiller [4d+\]: so did I
Quiller [4d+\]: I remember those days well
REM [7k?\]: I write PHP/MySQL and CGI/Lisp applications, but can't find anybody to hire me.
REM [7k?\]: I've had no money for "new" computer since 1998 when I bought this for $200.
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: Indeed "verbose" mode ""works"" well enough if you have nothing better.
REM [7k?\]: So does anybody have comments about bH14?
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't like the idea of leaving a hanging ladder
jojoyo [4k+\]: it's bad luck, for one thing
jojoyo [4k+\]: which move leaves a hanging ladder?
Quiller [4d+\]: H14
jojoyo [4k+\]: oh.....
REM [7k?\]: Any move other than bH14 leaves bad shape or cutting points, worse than hanging ladder.
jojoyo [4k+\]: that's asking to be gobsmacked
Quiller [4d+\]: it leaves w free to take the initiave in the lower right and leaves ladder breaks around E11 and potential liberty exploitioation on K13
jojoyo [4k+\]: i would be shocked if b played H14 now
jojoyo [4k+\]: or even if he played it after lunch :)
REM [7k?\]: After bH14, if wE11 then bF12, and D10 is in no particular danger.
eyra3 [4d?\]: so Q - finally coming around to h14...
jojoyo [4k+\]: my sense is b will play something locally that ends up with w having sente to play elsewhere
Quiller [4d+\]: no, I don't like H14, never have, never will
jojoyo [4k+\]: so b is looking for the best result for himself under those circumstances
REM [7k?\]: wJ14 leaves an awful taste in b's mouth, can't be captured easily except by bH14.
jojoyo [4k+\]: despite having all that outside strength b needs to take care around the G15 area
Quiller [4d+\]: I've studied his tactics, he generally tries to play the best move possible
jojoyo [4k+\]: wow, that's really quite strategically insightful..  i've got to try that in my games
Quiller [4d+\]: makes him easy to predict :)
Quiller [4d+\]: he eschews the element of surprise that I exploit so brilliantly in my games :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: lol
jojoyo [4k+\]: good one :)
REM [7k?\]: So Quiller, what *is* the best move for black now (first move after lunch)?
jojoyo [4k+\]: to be fair to myself, i did say b is looking for the best move for himself given the local situation
jojoyo [4k+\]: it's possible b will temporarily ignore the local situation and play elsewhere
Quiller [4d+\]: I'm going to cheat ruthlessly
jojoyo [4k+\]: i just don't think he will
jojoyo [4k+\]: how is that?
malf [4k\]: the only way :)
Quiller [4d+\]: I'm going to suggest E18
jojoyo [4k+\]: interesting
jojoyo [4k+\]: seems somewhat crazed though
malf [4k\]: heh heh, you know, it's my experience
malf [4k\]: that when a stronger player calls your moves "interesting"
malf [4k\]: what he means is it's a damn mistake
malf [4k\]: and you're about to get rolled :)
Quiller [4d+\]: you're suggesting jojoyo is stronger than I am?
jojoyo [4k+\]: either that, or it appears to be a damn mistake, and he has to read longer
malf [4k\]: not for a moment, just saying :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: if he's suggesting that, he's wrong :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: of course, he could be saying that because of my comment he infers i think the E18 move is a damn mistake
jojoyo [4k+\]: which i don't
REM [7k?\]: Quiller: Cornel already suggested bE18, so you're seconding his prediction?
jojoyo [4k+\]: i think it *might* be a bad mistake
Quiller [4d+\]: yes
jojoyo [4k+\]: so it's either a mistake or brilliant
rev [10k?\]: so who is white?
jojoyo [4k+\]: moves that might be brilliant are usually interesting
REM [7k?\]: Honinbo title match, game#7 (w=Iyama=challenge=3 vs. b=Yamashita=defend=3) - lunch break now
jojoyo [4k+\]: let me read for a minute...
REM [7k?\]: Cornel's bE18 has advantage that if wD18 then bE16 is atari to fix b's shape in sente.
jojoyo [4k+\]: it's hard for me to think b E18 turns out well for b
REM [7k?\]: After bE18 wTenuki bD17 wE1 bC18 so b lives and doesn't care about cut at G15.
REM [7k?\]: Dang that key missing again.
jojoyo [4k+\]: of course it's possible it turns out better than any of the alternatives
jojoyo [4k+\]: that is much harder to evaluate
REM [7k?\]: After bE18 wTenuki bD17 wE16 bC18 so b lives and doesn't care about cut at G15.
jojoyo [4k+\]: i'm still thinking b will play G18, provided it doesn't collapse
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: Yes, threat of double atari and cut means b shape weak, so maybe no good moves, just some not as bad as others.
eyra3 [5d?\]: I'm wondering why everyone is so hung over these few stones?
eyra3 [5d?\]: hung up
Quiller [4d+\]: B can give away the stones on the outside if he can scrounge a life in the corner
jojoyo [4k+\]: it seems like giving them up is a big loss
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: ?
jojoyo [4k+\]: doesn't it?
jojoyo [4k+\]: not just in points but in affect on other areas
eyra3 [5d?\]: just brainstorming - h14 seems like a bunch o' influence and c17 isn't completely dead
jojoyo [4k+\]: yes..
jojoyo [4k+\]: although playing H14 seems a lot different from playing away
REM [7k?\]: eyra3: Good point, my bH14 to leave hanging ladder leaves C17 undamaged.
REM [7k?\]: Cornel's bE18 if blocked by wD18 allows w to secure corner (prevent bC17).
xxnn [4d\]: hm, E18 first,interesting
Quiller [4d+\]: not completely, still a lot of potential at c18 and B15
Quiller [4d+\]: That was my idea, all mine, everyone else who suggested it copied!
malf [4k\]: :)
Quiller [4d+\]: including those pesky pros at the Nihon ki-in
malf [4k\]: yeah, can't trust those people, they do weird things
REM [7k?\]: Quiller: Appx. 66 kibitz after wH18, Cornel was first to say "black wants to continue at E18"
jojoyo [4k+\]: over the course of lunch the world population grew by about 10,000 people
eyra3 [5d?\]: any new pros in the bunch?
jojoyo [4k+\]: unlikely, since they would all be less than 60 minutes old :)
Bogg [10k\]: prodigies!
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: Of those 10,000 new people born during lunch, unlikely even one will ever play Go.
Cornel [9d\]: I'm back ☺
Bogg [10k\]: hi
Cornel [9d\]: hi again
WarkopDKI [7k+\]: welcome aboard, need your review over here
jojoyo [4k+\]: Quiller suggested E18 now
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: We discussed my bH14 and your bE18 while you were away.
Cornel [9d\]: E18 is b's aim, yes
jojoyo [4k+\]: but how is it now?
Cornel [9d\]: it might be b's next move, yes
jojoyo [4k+\]: wow
REM [7k?\]: I don't like bE18 because it reduces success of UL invasion later.
jojoyo [4k+\]: to me it looks slightly crazed
Cornel [9d\]: why so?
Cornel [9d\]: will w block?
eyra3 [5d?\]: if b tenuki, we think w will take another move in UL?
Cornel [9d\]: yes
Cornel [9d\]: b won't tenuki
jojoyo [4k+\]: no, if w blocked that would be a success for b
jojoyo [4k+\]: in my warped view of how things go, that is :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: no pun intended
Cornel [9d\]: it's very complex, anyway, a 9p wouldn't take that long if it were so easy
jojoyo [4k+\]: there was a match game many years ago..  takemiya was playing..
REM [7k?\]: All of b's moves around G15 area leave bad shape or cutting points, so tenuki (sacrifice lizard's tail to gain tempo) might be playable.
jojoyo [4k+\]: at one point he thought for 7 hours before playing the next move in a joseki
P1X3L [7k\]: hi, iyama is whte right?
jojoyo [4k+\]: i agree the situation here is complex..  moreso than my poor brain can handle
Cornel [9d\]: yes, Iyama is white
eyra3 [5d?\]: not the best games to learn from, but the kibitzing is fun
REM [7k?\]: Honinbo title match, game#7 (w=Iyama=challenge=3 vs. b=Yamashita=defend=3) - lunch break ending
jojoyo [4k+\]: okay they are past due..  what's the move? :)
Cornel [9d\]: time used so far: black 1hr 46 mins, white 1 hr 14 mins
jojoyo [4k+\]: the suspense is killing me
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita still thinking..
REM [7k?\]: Is Cornel(Ian) still watching online video? Are they back at board?
Cornel [9d\]: yes, they're back]
;B[eb]C[REM [7k?\]: Cornel's move!
malf [4k\]: Quiller!
eyra3 [5d?\]: ki-in!
Cornel [9d\]: just one of the possible ways... let's hope it's the best one ☺
jojoyo [4k+\]: wow, Quiller scores
REM [7k?\]: malf/jojoyo: Appx. 66 kibitz after wH18, Cornel was first to say "black wants to continue at E18"
Cornel [9d\]: I didn't point out this one move, but several
Cornel [9d\]: G18 was my first choice
jojoyo [4k+\]: mine too
Cornel [9d\]: but then I realized b needs E18
Cornel [9d\]: or E15
REM [7k?\]: Since Cornel suggested bE18 first, but hedged, no pp for anyone there. Sorry Quiller.
jojoyo [4k+\]: so what now, meijin Cornel?
Cornel [9d\]: meijin is incidentally the name of my Go club ☺
mainichi [9p\]: For Japanese: �@
REM [7k?\]: I think w must block, can't allow b to invade corner and live there immediately.
Cornel [9d\]: all our members are called "meijin" :)
Cornel [9d\]: I doubt w blocks
Cornel [9d\]: must find something stronger
xxnn [4d\]: what if w G18, what is black's response? C17?
xxnn [4d\]: no, definitely not C17
Cornel [9d\]: w G18 is the most annoying one
Cornel [9d\]: b F18, I guess
REM [7k?\]: If w doesn't block, allows bE17 wE16 bC18, then w's cuts around G15 worthless.
Cornel [9d\]: what if w cut at H16?
eyra3 [5d?\]: h15?
Cornel [9d\]: H16 H15 G17
xxnn [4d\]: H16 interesting
Cornel [9d\]: then miai F18 G15
Mithrandir [12k\]: H15 seems better
xxnn [4d\]: H16 H15 G17 G18 G15 H14 G16 C17 ?
REM [7k?\]: If wG18, I like xxnn's suggestion of bC17 instead of bD17, not sure which is best.
Cornel [9d\]: F15 instead of G16, the rest is correct
davew [4d\]: maybe b gives j15-16 stones and invades corner
xxnn [4d\]: F15 interesting
jojoyo [4k+\]: that seems plausible to me
jojoyo [4k+\]: ie b giving up the j stones
xxnn [4d\]: although, I definitely like black if b can get C17
Andarilho [1k+\]: G17
jojoyo [4k+\]: i was wondering about that move
xxnn [4d\]: so I still think white must block at D18.
jojoyo [4k+\]: the igs should have a real betting feature
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
jojoyo [4k+\]: pay $1 to bet on a move
jojoyo [4k+\]: the pool is divided equally among all the people who bet on the right move
REM [7k?\]: Cornel: If wH16 bH15 wG17 bG18 wG15 bH14 wF15, next bC17 or bG16 or bE16 ?
Cornel [9d\]: b C17 next
jojoyo [4k+\]: if no correct bets, pool accumulates to next move :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: do you mean w C17?
Cornel [9d\]: asian people love betting so that would attract lots of new users, I think
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: My idea for betting on moves would be more like TinyURL.Com/TruFut
Cornel [9d\]: I was answering REM's question
jojoyo [4k+\]: yes, and igs could keep $0.01 out of every dollar bet
jojoyo [4k+\]: oh i see...  i missed that
Bogg [10k\]: hmm, paramutual betting on go moves. would require the server to somewhere that allows betting over the internet
Cornel [9d\]: the scribe will get very rich ;)
eyra3 [5d?\]: so is the smart money on h16?
jojoyo [4k+\]: yes, if enough people are betting the players might throw the game to win huge payoffs :)
Cornel [9d\]: this game is worth 35 million yen, by the way ☺
REM [7k?\]: Cornel's sequence wH16 bH15 wG17 bG18 wG15 bH14 wF15 bC17 takes corner pronto, so cuts of small value.
Cornel [9d\]: actually, this is the winner's prize
Bogg [10k\]: what is that in money?
jojoyo [4k+\]: is G17 bad?
Cornel [9d\]: not sure about the runner-up's prize
Cornel [9d\]: about 200k USD, I think
Bogg [10k\]: be tough to justify tanking
Cornel [9d\]: G17 is the same as H16, I think
xxnn [4d\]: sometims simplest move is the best.
xxnn [4d\]: D18
REM [7k?\]: xxnn and I prefer w block at D18 to hold corner and leave cuts "interesting".
xxnn [4d\]: though I'm not sure if G18 first
REM [7k?\]: wH16 is double atari, a bit more urgent (for b to answer) than wG17 IMO.
Quiller [4d+\]: But G17 threatens to occupy F18
codger [BC\]: ayt?
Quiller [4d+\]: no
Cornel [9d\]: ☺
codger [BC\]: seems b asking for d18
REM [7k?\]: I went away for 10 minutes to verify Chess term "en prise" spelling, and only 4 kibitz while I was away!
jojoyo [4k+\]: i guess w didn't expect this move
davew [4d\]: not much we can say, too complicated
Quiller [4d+\]: I expect w to resign immediately
Cornel [9d\]: I don't like w's prospects
davew [4d\]: too much money on the line for that
dugu [3d+\]: if w d18 how does b fix shape? H14?
xxnn [4d\]: I liek black also. opening game, thickness is more valuable
Quiller [4d+\]: greedy bean-counting sonofa...
Cornel [9d\]: if w D18, b G18
jojoyo [4k+\]: really?  i think this will turn things around and give w some initiative
Gabi [6d+\]: G17
dugu [3d+\]: iiyama is white?
CTFullstop [17k?\]: yeah
dugu [3d+\]: thx
davew [4d\]: if w G17, b G18?
Cornel [9d\]: G17 G18 H15
davew [4d\]: a trade
Cornel [9d\]: a possible exchange, b C17 after that
xxnn [4d\]: if  G18 F18 D18 , what is b's next move? G15 , ?
dugu [3d+\]: G17 H16 G16 push all the way? w lots of cash, b very thick]
;W[hd]C[Cornel [9d\]: the longest thinking time for w, so far
Cornel [9d\]: more than 30 minutes
Gabi [6d+\]: C17
Cornel [9d\]: b C17 looks good, if w takes 2 stones b tenuki
REM [7k?\]: Cornel(Ian) suggested wH16 first, but later hedged with wG17, so no pp.
nebulous [1k+\]: I think h15 to exploit the squeeze]
;B[cc]C[nebulous [1k+\]: oh is Cornel Ion today?
REM [7k?\]: wH15?
Cornel [9d\]: please give pp to the others, I'm rather trying to explain the reasoning behind several options than betting for next move
Bogg [10k\]: D18 D17 E16 C18 F18 D19 G17?
xxnn [4d\]: hm. interesting.
davew [4d\]: I sugested giving J stones to invade corner
xxnn [4d\]: Thought bH16 must.
nebulous [1k+\]: pp to Gabi
WeAreCake [15k?\]: what's pp?
nebulous [1k+\]: prediction point
LeT [2d\]: powerpoint?
jojoyo [4k+\]: w will C16 nw?
REM [7k?\]: Gabi congrats on C17
xxnn [4d\]: I think during calculation, this question is very helpful:
xxnn [4d\]: if I don't move at a spot, will the opponent takes it?
davew [4d\]: deep
Gabi [6d+\]: thx
xxnn [4d\]: I'm thinking why I thought H15 is must for black, turnout white may not move there
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't play where my opponent would play, because i don't want him to play where i would play
xxnn [4d\]: H15 still big though
nebulous [1k+\]: tacit agreement, jojoyo? risky strattegy
nebulous [1k+\]: strategy
Cornel [9d\]: sente is very important, indeed
jojoyo [4k+\]: actually it was sort of a joke :)
Cornel [9d\]: especially in the opening
nebulous [1k+\]: ah
Cornel [9d\]: play where the other wants to play becomes top priority if that move is sente for both
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: New rule for variant game: After each of your moves, you can specify one point where opponent is NOT allowed to play next.
jojoyo [4k+\]: if w C16, b can take corner and w end up with sente?
Cornel [9d\]: w H15 is a must, I think
VanGogh [3k+\]: I just joined.  Is this Iyama-Yamashita?  And who has which color?
Cornel [9d\]: Yamashita is black
xxnn [4d\]: H15 too thick!
eyra3 [5d?\]: h15 = 60 pts!
Cornel [9d\]: welcome back ☺
Cornel [9d\]: H15 helps both K17 and D14 groups
Cornel [9d\]: the opposite works too, it weakens them both if b plays it
aeoniq [12k+\]: H15 M14 miai?
jojoyo [4k+\]: H15 blunted by K14 stones, so much less than 60]
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;W[ba]C[Inushogun [1d?\]: so only nobi f12 after hane
fandango [11k?\]: F14 F13 E14 E13 G14 G13 H14 H13 J13 E16 G18 and then?
Cornel [9d\]: e14/e13 no need
Cornel [9d\]: so b jumps
Cornel [9d\]: if w blocks, b hane ..anyway we will see it soon :)
fandango [11k?\]: in case of hane i predict black dead ^^
fandango [11k?\]: it's odd more than prediction ^^
xxnn [4d\]: white's live corner interesting
Cornel [9d\]: heh
Cornel [9d\]: a17 ko for b if he is really desperate but heavy ko for b
elh [5d\]: and 2-step
xxnn [4d\]: like white, note black upper not live yet
REM [7k?\]: W not alive in UL corner. Needs one more move to live: A17 directly or after winning ko.
xxnn [4d\]: white's thickness is put to good use!
davew [4d\]: hi guys
elh [5d\]: hi dave
jojoyo [4k+\]: hi dw
REM [7k?\]: But w virtually because b would be fool to start ko.
Bogg [10k\]: hi dave
xxnn [4d\]: very good result for white
davew [4d\]: not many moves since I fell asleep yesterday
jojoyo [4k+\]: this game a bit on the slow side
Cornel [9d\]: they played 64 in the first day while I was asleep:)
xxnn [4d\]: b needs prevent white B10 I think
WeAreCake [15k?\]: F14
REM [7k?\]: I like b's position, F14 chases D13 group to build up center part of moyo.
Cornel [9d\]: last game 38 moves in the first day only]
;B[ff]C[Cornel [9d\]: here we go
Inushogun [1d?\]: here we go
jojoyo [4k+\]: huh..  i remember it as being more
elh [5d\]: w D12 only?
REM [7k?\]: No surprise, F14 expected.
davew [4d\]: leaves F15 problem
xxnn [4d\]: but the thing is both b F14 group and C12 group have weakness.
REM [7k?\]: Should w sacrifice D13 group to run J14 into center moyo, or let b chase it to center?
jojoyo [4k+\]: very complicated
elh [5d\]: D13 big because F16 not alive yet
Cornel [9d\]: w will fight here
REM [7k?\]: W can push once more at D12, then jump ahead of b at F12.]
;W[dh]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: elh is right
Cornel [9d\]: nice one rem
REM [7k?\]: Hey, I got it! Let's see if my continuation is also played. Thanks Cornel.
xxnn [4d\]: simply C11?
xxnn [4d\]: C10, D11 both not very satisfactory
Cornel [9d\]: d11 block
REM [7k?\]: If bC11, w can push again at 11, but that serves no purpose and is aji keshi.
Cornel [9d\]: to tighten liberties
fandango [11k?\]: D11 looks forced now ^^
REM [7k?\]: bD11 allows w to sacrifice at C11 to get double atari at B13 so w can start ko.
fandango [11k?\]: if no shortage for white then e18 looks dead
xxnn [4d\]: how about this sequence?
xxnn [4d\]: F12 C11 B11 B13 B12 A13 C10 ?
REM [7k?\]: Nevermind about w cut, I tried to read it in my mind and read it wrong. bD11 playable fine.
Cornel [9d\]: seems painful for b
xxnn [4d\]: yes, b not good
pilgrim [2d+\]: hi
malf [4k\]: hi pilgrim
REM [7k?\]: Cancel my nevermind: It seems w does have some aji of cut at C11 after bD11.
Cornel [9d\]: there is aji there indeed
nebulous [1k+\]: morning all
nebulous [1k+\]: d11?
Cornel [9d\]: h15 shape is powerful for w, he is not afraid to fight in the top
nebulous [1k+\]: or c11 ..hmm
nebulous [1k+\]: c11 I suppose
Cornel [9d\]: d11
Quiller [4d+\]: or b12
Cornel [9d\]: I would block without blinking here :)
Laman: hey guys, does anyone of you have saved kibitz from yesterday after lunch?
Quiller [4d+\]: that looks like trouble actuallyt
nebulous [1k+\]: c11 fails to grab the bull by the horns I suppose
hailthorn [10k?\]: Hello there Laman
Cornel [9d\]: and if cut c11 after d11, b can go c10 then when w descends b b12
nebulous [1k+\]: d11 W f12?
Laman: hi, hailthorn. long live lifein19x19
hailthorn [10k?\]: Agreed!
Quiller [4d+\]: true but then B can't start the ko in the corner
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, I didn't see when I suggested wD12, but now I see that elh suggested it first.
Quiller [4d+\]: at any point
Quiller [4d+\]: and there is aji on the outside to be concerned about too]
;B[ci]C[xxnn [4d\]: still feel white in good position.
Cornel [9d\]: so solid:)
malf [4k\]: B not want to leave c10 for W
xxnn [4d\]: rem's move of course: F12
Cornel [9d\]: then w not in such serious troubles
malf [4k\]: er, b10
Cornel [9d\]: yep
xxnn [4d\]: but is E10 possible?
elh [5d\]: that's B10, malf?
malf [4k\]: yes
malf [4k\]: :)
elh [5d\]: oh, ok :)
Quiller [4d+\]: what about G13?
xxnn [4d\]: b b13 live
Cornel [9d\]: f12 ikken not good enough to escape ?
elh [5d\]: against G13, push and wedge
kiseijoy [BC\]: seems much peril for b
xxnn [4d\]: I don't feel white is running, but black is trying to live in both sides, am I wrong?
Cornel [9d\]: not really:)
kiseijoy [BC\]: b can live with d19 it seems
REM [7k?\]: Ah, I see b avoided leaving w that cut aji, nice strong shape there.
Quiller [4d+\]: nice response elh
xxnn [4d\]: though considering black have an extra move at P4, undertably white is attacking
elh [5d\]: thx :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: surely b is alive on the left now
malifaun [1k\]: i find p4 interesting, the suggestions ranged from o4 to k4
REM [7k?\]: wE10 looks like aji keshi, doesn't support wF12 enough, and diminishes value of C8.
kiseijoy [BC\]: p4 steels b for fighting to come
jojoyo [4k+\]: i heard it said that P4 was not possible
kiseijoy [BC\]: p4 honte
elh [5d\]: b D19 doesn't live, look again kisei
kiseijoy [BC\]: well, at least it is "slow" I am not to judge if it is "the correct move"
kiseijoy [BC\]: you're right, only after e16
REM [7k?\]: Catching up: Oh, I see xxnn wE10 was typo, but it was an interesting idea to consider briefly.
elh [5d\]: after E16, no need for D19, just G18 lives :)
kiseijoy [BC\]: okies
madhatter [1k\]: but e16 takes an important lib..:)
REM [7k?\]: wG13 looks like overplay, just asking for b to cut and fight and kill w.
jojoyo [4k+\]: what can w hope to do here?
Cornel [9d\]: run out and surround the top b group
pilgrim [2d+\]: g13 is no possible...f12, f11 or e11
davew [4d\]: g13 either works or not, just reading
elh [5d\]: F13 also worth considering
jojoyo [4k+\]: force the b group to live inside, with w sente after?  can this be done?
madhatter [1k\]: only move i thought..:0
pilgrim [2d+\]: yes...f13 also
Cornel [9d\]: w can think of g13 also
xxnn [4d\]: g13 works to me
pilgrim [2d+\]: g13 b pushes and plays e12
xxnn [4d\]: question is what is the best shape
pilgrim [2d+\]: w dies
REM [7k?\]: xxnn: W is both running and counter-attacking weak b groups on both sides, standard running-fight theme.
Cornel [9d\]: or at least he is trying to ..
nebulous [1k+\]: f12 seems honte
malifaun [1k\]: f13
Cornel [9d\]: yeah
Quiller [4d+\]: G12 conceivable
xxnn [4d\]: I don't see how black upper make 2 eyes
nebulous [1k+\]: kill corner
madhatter [1k\]: ...
madhatter [1k\]: takes to many moves..:)
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't see G13 as confining b
nebulous [1k+\]: first g18
ss13 [1k\]: may peace prevail on earth !
kiseijoy [BC\]: I could use a piece
madhatter [1k\]: but w is to move first...:)
elh [5d\]: I don't think w can hope to confine b here
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, because J14 blocks b from running directly to right, wF13 looks good too.
nebulous [1k+\]: depends if W rescue e17, probably won't
madhatter [1k\]: no whisky around kiseijoy?
xxnn [4d\]: I imagine if black give up F14 group and get some thickness out side, huge territory in the middle of the board!!
kiseijoy [BC\]: hehehm that would be a dram
madhatter [1k\]: ..
kiseijoy [BC\]: what I could use is a "piece"
elh [5d\]: imagine there's no heaven
malifaun [1k\]: what about religion ?
jojoyo [4k+\]: what happens after w G13, elh?
elh [5d\]: too
malifaun [1k\]: :)
xxnn [4d\]: so white needs be careful here. don't concentrate on just capturing F14 group
pilgrim [2d+\]: after g13 b wins the game :)
davew [4d\]: I read g13 not working, so I would F12
Cornel [9d\]: yeah, hard decision now
jojoyo [4k+\]: can you say not working how?
elh [5d\]: I said a lot of lines above that w G13 is met by push+wedge
Cornel [9d\]: g13 a bit too loose indeed
xxnn [4d\]: what is b's move after G13?
xxnn [4d\]: agree too loose
Cornel [9d\]: push f3 then wedge e12
REM [7k?\]: E17 is only half-eye for b. If w plays there first, F18/E16 miai for connecting sans eye.
davew [4d\]: g13-f13-g12-e12 b wins
pilgrim [2d+\]: there are several possibilities...but either w dies or b captures f12 and makes life with the top part of the group in top...bad fr w
jojoyo [4k+\]: okay..  that's more or less what i read
fangang [6d?\]: BJ
elh [5d\]: b F17 has exactly one eye
pilgrim [2d+\]: I say f11
REM [7k?\]: One sequence I read out after wF13 has F16 die while F14 connect out.
kiseijoy [BC\]: well w has to move out regardless
xxnn [4d\]: F12 G12 G13 F13 F11 ?
REM [7k?\]: Given complications of wF13, I recommend sticking to wF12, my original suggestion.
xxnn [4d\]: If I'm black, I won't try to live
relearning [10k?\]: somehow i don't see 9p avoiding complications...   ;)
Cornel [9d\]: :0
xxnn [4d\]: I will try to cut D12 group and build thickness in the middle,
elh [5d\]: good remark relearning
Bogg [10k\]: is  G12 worth reading?
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't see it going anywhere
davew [4d\]: g12 got analyzed earlier, doesn't work
Bogg [10k\]: thx missed it
REM [7k?\]: F16 dying but F14 connecting out and killing wF13 and making more center thickness, doesn't look good for w.
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't see anything that even looks plausible for w
elh [5d\]: the analysis went like "too thin"
Bogg [10k\]: thx again
xxnn [4d\]: by the way, my E10 was not a typo
Cornel [9d\]: they both are
Gabi [6d+\]: simply running in centernot good for w
malifaun [1k\]: well f12 runs out for sure, only q is if w can get more
xxnn [4d\]: this is possible
xxnn [4d\]: E10 E11 F13
nebulous [1k+\]: hmmm
jojoyo [4k+\]: w thinking 30 min already...
xxnn [4d\]: I will give my prediction of the game here, if b F14 group die, b win
REM [7k?\]: kill/rescue E17 worth 1 point in gote, i.e. half point value, not any time soon.
jojoyo [4k+\]: well that's just one stone :)
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: who do we like to win?
malifaun [1k\]: w g13 b k4 ?
elh [5d\]: make that 2 points gote, REM (at least)
jojoyo [4k+\]: to me it looks like w struggling
davew [4d\]: last game, so who cares
Cornel [9d\]: is still open for any result this game
jojoyo [4k+\]: what do you think w might play here C?
Cornel [9d\]: f12
Quiller [4d+\]: is G12 worth looking at?
Cornel [9d\]: interesting but a bit loose also
Quiller [4d+\]: I agree, just wondering what options w is considering
malifaun [1k\]: weatern "interesting" or japanese "interesting" ?
malifaun [1k\]: *western
REM [7k?\]: elh: If wG18 first, miai E16/F18 to kill eye. How b get eye?
relearning [10k?\]: a17  ;)
davew [4d\]: what is Japanese interesting?
elh [5d\]: D19 is sente against the corner
malifaun [1k\]: polite for "bad"
Cornel [9d\]: right:)
davew [4d\]: ic :)
davew [4d\]: ironic tone
Cornel [9d\]: i think w is checking all the moves in the are
Quiller [4d+\]: ok,
Cornel [9d\]: a
xxnn [4d\]: clarify, whever I say interesting, I really mean interesting
xxnn [4d\]: not good or bad. just interesting
Cornel [9d\]: like f12,13, g12,13
Quiller [4d+\]: what if G13 F13 E11?
pilgrim [2d+\]: not f11 :)
Quiller [4d+\]: not f11, elh demonstrated that was bad
xxnn [4d\]: f12 G12 doesn't work?
pilgrim [2d+\]: I missed elh demo on f11...can anybody refresh it a bit, please?
REM [7k?\]: elh: If wG18 bD19 wF18 and b can't play bC19 (self-atari) so w has time to play C19.
Quiller [4d+\]: g13 f13 if F11 B E11 if F12 B E12
elh [5d\]: if w G18, b F18 gives b miai]
;W[gg]C[Cornel [9d\]: if w g18 b kosumi g13
Cornel [9d\]: ah too late
pilgrim [2d+\]: here we go
Cornel [9d\]: w read something out here :)
Andyka [17k?\]: Is this the honinbo title game?
Quiller [4d+\]: ta daaa!
WeAreCake [15k?\]: Andyka: Yes, it is.
suppi [9k?\]: yes andyka
Andyka [17k?\]: Thanks
elh [5d\]: w plans to gib ponnuki in exchange for C10 cut?
elh [5d\]: give b*
jojoyo [4k+\]: i heard somewhere that g13 was not possible
elh [5d\]: ahem
Laman: jojoyo: let Yamashita Honinbo demonstrate
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, Quiller asked about about G13, I said it looked like overplay, but viola, so let's see...
pilgrim [2d+\]: not not possible...just that as elh said b gets life and a captured stone and w only gets out and a cut to c10
Quiller [4d+\]: more correctly you read that F12 us not possible
elh [5d\]: well, actually I didn't say it was not possible :)
nebulous [1k+\]: :-)
malifaun [1k\]: elh predicted g13!
jojoyo [4k+\]: you're in good company elh..  yesterday a 9p said P4 was not possible
nebulous [1k+\]: viola = voila, REM?
REM [7k?\]: I expect bF13.
elh [5d\]: cello?
Laman: violoncello
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Oops, my French spelling wasn't so good, and still isn't, sigh.
xxnn [4d\]: F13 F12 E12 E11 E13 F15
suppi [9k?\]: is w yamashita keigo?
nebulous [1k+\]: B
Laman: w is Iyama Yuuta
suppi [9k?\]: thanks
Cornel [9d\]: f13 is good
davew [4d\]: g13 must be a typo :)
pilgrim [2d+\]: f13 is only move
malifaun [1k\]: k4
xxnn [4d\]: sorry, doesnt work for w
gonzo99 [BC\]: Morning! So f14 *was* the sealed move :)
Cornel [9d\]: yes, ikken tobi is rarely bad
jojoyo [4k+\]: xxnn is hoping for b F12 w F13 b group dies but b wins the game :)
gonzo99 [BC\]: Words to live by :D
Laman: who had more sealed moves? i remember 2 for Yamashita, but no idea about the rest
jojoyo [4k+\]: almost all yamashita i believe
Cornel [9d\]: I dont think that matters much Laman:)
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: I didn't say G13 not possible, I just said it seems like overplay. Maybe w desperate now?
Gabi [6d+\]: E16
jojoyo [4k+\]: well gentlemen (and ladies) i must go out for a bit
davew [4d\]: I said it didn't work :)
Laman: i agree, Cornel, just curious
elh [5d\]: regardless of the local outcome here, w is aiming at M13
Cornel [9d\]: I didnt keep track of that anyways
gonzo99 [BC\]: someone was saying yesterday that Iyama has had 5 se3aled moves?
Laman: and i remember Hikaru no Go, where Kuwabara Honinbo played his mind-games with sealed moves
gonzo99 [BC\]: *sealed*
REM [7k?\]: jojoyo: Indeed, elh in good company with 9p who said P4 was not possible.
Cornel [9d\]: p4 is super thick
xxnn [4d\]: F13 F12 E12 E11 E13 F15 E15 D11 F11 E10 G12 C10 B10 G15
Cornel [9d\]: saw the move played by xie he quite often
xxnn [4d\]: that is my sequence, though black capture the F12, but cut by white at F12
xxnn [4d\]: cut at F15
elh [5d\]: the beauty of P4 is it's strength against the 3-3 attachment
REM [7k?\]: davew: No, g13 not typo, just an overplay (IMO) that might work.
REM [7k?\]: gonzo99: Yes, F14 sealed move, none of that silly sealed-kikashi stuff, F14 too urgent.
Cornel [9d\]: :)
gonzo99 [BC\]: Ty REM :)
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elh [5d\]: not to mention that b didn't have any suitable kikashi at the time...
malifaun [1k\]: :D
gonzo99 [BC\]: I must say that this game seems to be a lot more straightforward than the previous ones ... so far ...
malifaun [1k\]: could have played d19
elh [5d\]: that's not "suitable"  :)
malifaun [1k\]: ...
Laman: what keeps b from slamming there F13 here and now?
elh [5d\]: very bad move
REM [7k?\]: pilgrim: I agree bF13 only move at this point.
malifaun [1k\]: q19 ?
xxnn [4d\]: If I were b, I will play F13 F12 G12
elh [5d\]: then die graciously?
gonzo99 [BC\]: he he, and w just watches?
suppi [9k?\]: and win nevertheless ;)
malifaun [1k\]: why did he want to play kikashi anyway :(
davew [4d\]: if b g12, w just f11 and b dead
davew [4d\]: has to e12 in that sequence
dionysus [5k+\]: geisha just came in
Cornel [9d\]: would be sad to see b collapse in this fight and lose the title in less than 100moves
elh [5d\]: "geisha" lol
davew [4d\]: both could get out then, don't know who is better
dionysus [5k+\]: not geisha just water girls .... :)
WeAreCake [15k?\]: what's that paper?
bmatt [7k+\]: Do you think b will end up playing ko for corner at a17>
bmatt [7k+\]: ?
Cornel [9d\]: that is a ko b doesnt want to start
REM [7k?\]: One sequence I read out: bF13 wF12 bE12 wE11 bE13 wD11 bF11 wE10 bE9.
ljkramer [15k\]: If B e16, can W prevent B from forming second eye on upper edge?
madhatter [1k\]: already 4 moves in 88 min...:)
elh [5d\]: aaargh gtg... cu later
Cornel [9d\]: good sequence rem
Cornel [9d\]: all forced
Cornel [9d\]: ciao elh
malifaun [1k\]: b must e16 ?
bmatt [7k+\]: would e9 be needed in that sequence or would it be better to g12?
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: B must abandon f16 group... they are dead yes?
Cornel [9d\]: nope
Cornel [9d\]: if he loses that group is bye bye title:)
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: can they get out?
Cornel [9d\]: y
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: because locally dead arn't they?
Cornel [9d\]: yeah not enough eyes in the top around e18
ljkramer [15k\]: Why can't B make 1 eye with e16, form second eye along top edge?
Gabi [6d+\]: b ponuki can be cut later maybe  E16 now
Cornel [9d\]: if e16, w will g18 to remove the base
Cornel [9d\]: and even false the one and only eye
malifaun [1k\]: yes but b e16 protects f15 cut
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: e 16 ... W f 19 dead
Gabi [6d+\]: F13 F12 E12 then
HP0721 [1d\]: Is it a lunch break now?
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: or what C said
Cornel [9d\]: in 1hr and 25mn
REM [7k?\]: xxnn's sequence bF13 wF12 bE12 wE11 bE13 wF15 bE15 wD11 bF11 wE10 bG12 wC10 bB10 wG15 looks good for w.
Laman: no, not yet lunch
bmatt [7k+\]: I was going to ask about f15...
Cornel [9d\]: f15 is nasty aji
bmatt [7k+\]: looks like it
REM [7k?\]: After xxnn's sequence bF13 ... wG15, next bE16(1) wE14 bG18 so b lives.
davew [4d\]: I found a sequence in which b lives and w goes out...f13-f12-e12-f15
Cornel [9d\]: e12 is tesuji but not sure if it works here
REM [7k?\]: gonzo99: What does "Ty REM" mean?
HP0721 [1d\]: who are the players, do you know?
xxnn [4d\]: E12 F13 E13 E14
Cornel [9d\]: same players as last 6 games :)
Cornel [9d\]: 9p vs 9p
ljkramer [15k\]: B can start with g18, fight ko for second eye
Cornel [9d\]: which ko?
kiseijoy [BC\]: too much perilf for b in ko
REM [7k?\]: Laman: Before b "slams" F13, he wants to read the various sequences deeply to be sure.
ljkramer [15k\]: f18
HP0721 [1d\]: Are they Japanese, or Korean, or Chinese?
Cornel [9d\]: if b g18, w w connects e16
Laman: Japanese
HP0721 [1d\]: Thanks
Cornel [9d\]: then b g17 w j18
Cornel [9d\]: when b d19 w removes f19 eyes
Cornel [9d\]: is tough for b to make 2 eyes that way
ljkramer [15k\]: can B kill d12?
Cornel [9d\]: he is working on it :)
bmatt [7k+\]: sorry, but which player is b?
Cornel [9d\]: I guess he will try, that is why he spends time now
REM [7k?\]: xxnn bF13 wF12 bG12 is the other way to play, sacrifice all of F16 to build center.
Cornel [9d\]: yamashita keigo black]
;B[ac]C[bmatt [7k+\]: ooof?
Cornel [9d\]: ww
Laman: hmm
Cornel [9d\]: so direct :)
pilgrim [2d+\]: lol
bmatt [7k+\]: <- prophet
REM [7k?\]: Oh boy, this ko is messy, not direct for either player.
malifaun [1k\]: w f13
REM [7k?\]: w needs to take ko, ignore ko threat, and play B13, then win ko again.
davew [4d\]: OMLG!
malifaun [1k\]: L ?
weegee [9k?\]: b G18 if w e16, b12, b good?
davew [4d\]: lack
malf [4k\]: my my
malifaun [1k\]: oO
Quiller [4d+\]: I think w should play B13 now
Cornel [9d\]: he has to take the ko 1st
REM [7k?\]: b needs to win ko, take second ko B18, win that; or connect B13 and win first ko again.
Quiller [4d+\]: not necessarily, still only ko if B takes
bmatt [7k+\]: whats the prize money for this tourney?
davew [4d\]: take ko first
malifaun [1k\]: if w takes ko, b has tons of threats starting with f13
REM [7k?\]: Or w can compromise: Win ko and fill it, leaving b to connect B13.
Cornel [9d\]: It is the oldest Go title in Japan. Sponsored by Mainichi Shimbun, the Honinbo pays out �32 million ($415,000 (as of 2 October 2011)).
Bogg [10k\]: if b F13 then wA17 is sente isn't it?
Cornel [9d\]: and like 12 for the runner up
Cornel [9d\]: 1/2
davew [4d\]: so $200K on the line today?
REM [7k?\]: Or b can compromise: Connect B13 and let w live in corner.
Cornel [9d\]: yeah
malifaun [1k\]: no bogg, b gladly sacs 5 stones if he can connect his 2 groups outside
Cornel [9d\]: b not so happy to give up b15 stones
xxnn [4d\]: F13?
REM [7k?\]: Given b's huge moyo with many invasion points if w gets 2 moves in row, w should win first ko.
malifaun [1k\]: hmmm then why is he playing that ko
davew [4d\]: my problem is, I never think about ko until it happens
REM [7k?\]: Maybe b play ko now to get it done with, connect B13 in sente, then play F13.
Bogg [10k\]: I thgought B needed nonlocal ko threats
Cornel [9d\]: b started the ko to kill that corner and link his groups
Cornel [9d\]: not to donate
weegee [9k?\]: D19 become live move for H17s, after G18 sequence?
Cornel [9d\]: b gave j15 stones for this corner
Cornel [9d\]: brb
REM [7k?\]: Maybe b want w to exhaust ko threats against moyo, while b thickens moyo.
Gabi [6d+\]: hard ko for b
malifaun [1k\]: if b f13 isnt a ko threat, how does he want to win it then
Gabi [6d+\]: w F13
REM [7k?\]: I want to see wF13, then fight second ko, then bB13, then w A16 first ko again.
malifaun [1k\]: yes
Cornel [9d\]: so the timing here is delicate
Cornel [9d\]: da dar nu ii placea cut la c10
Cornel [9d\]: sorry
Cornel [9d\]: w can also ignore here
Cornel [9d\]: cause is still a ko
REM [7k?\]: Either w has enough ko threats to play F13 now and win both kos, or b ignore ko threats and lose half of moyo.
kiseijoy [BC\]: cannot imagine that all of b's play here expected this ko
REM [7k?\]: In any case, I want to see wF13 now.
Cornel [9d\]: yeah, is solid
Cornel [9d\]: l4 is nice for w if he ends up sente in the top left
malifaun [1k\]: w l4 b m5 ?
REM [7k?\]: For novices: If wB13 bB12 then b can't fill ko at A16 because it's self atari.]
;W[ad]C[Cornel [9d\]: so he took 1st]
;B[fg]C[kiseijoy [BC\]: oh you want your ko, it's on baybee!]
;W[fh]
;B[ac]C[madhatter [1k\]: ..:)
REM [7k?\]: Oh great (satire), our normal sequence interleaved with taking ko back and forth.
dionysus [5k+\]: the moves here appear before the live feed...
kiseijoy [BC\]: coo
REM [7k?\]: Maybe w use real ko threats against b moyo, while b use normal sequence around F13 as ko threats.
codger [BC\]: how big is it?
Cornel [9d\]: who bets this game will end in less than 200 moves ?:)]
;W[pe]C[Laman: i bet against
kiseijoy [BC\]: gigundo
Cornel [9d\]: ok, how many pilsner urquell beers
Laman: it always looks like all hell breaking loose, but then they somehow make it +-5 point game
pilgrim [2d+\]: I love that beer! Czechs are the best!
Laman: hmm, 3 beers
REM [7k?\]: If Q15 worth answering at P15, two more ko threats right there too.
Cornel [9d\]: deal:)
Cornel [9d\]: I registered for brno tourney earlier today
davew [4d\]: Q15 doesn't seem big enough to me
Laman: hah, so i guess i should go too :)
wuwei [7k+\]: 3 beers each, and the loser pays the bill
Cornel [9d\]: b will block p15
Quiller [4d+\]: this is a two-step ko right?
Cornel [9d\]: nope, is direct
Quiller [4d+\]: really?
Quiller [4d+\]: Bcan connect at A16?
Cornel [9d\]: nope but b can take again
Quiller [4d+\]: yes, and it will STILL be ko won't it?
Cornel [9d\]: and if you take it that way is max 1 step approach ko
Cornel [9d\]: but not 2 steps ko
REM [7k?\]: If b ignore Q15, I suppose w gets wedge at P14 next?
Quiller [4d+\]: that is a semantic distinction
Quiller [4d+\]: I mean B has to take the ko twice
REM [7k?\]: It's multi-step indirect ko unless both players compromise. :-)
Quiller [4d+\]: in my terminaology one step == direct
Cornel [9d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TwoStepKoTwoStageKoDiscussion
chidori [12k+\]: cannot ignor Q15
chidori [12k+\]: but w have to live
REM [7k?\]: After bA17, if bB18 then bC19, that's multi-stage, right?
Cornel [9d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Yoseko
Quiller [4d+\]: ok, so that would make a direct ko a 0-stage ko?
REM [7k?\]: B can't fill ko or he risks losing 5 stones around B15, so must connect B13 then win ko again.
Cornel [9d\]: heh, sort of quiller
Quiller [4d+\]: That doesn't make sense to me but the principles are what matter rather than the name the point is w gets his ko threat AND sente
REM [7k?\]: There are two issues: Number of chained kos to take, and needed approach/connect moves before can fill.
Cornel [9d\]: so is not an easy ko fight for b
REM [7k?\]: B must win ko twice (with B13 between), or win two kos in chain.
Quiller [4d+\]: so the ko threat doesn't need to be a game breaker on its own
Quiller [4d+\]: that's why I would call it a two-stage ko but that's just me :)
Cornel [9d\]: is fine, i got your point:)]
;B[fi]C[REM [7k?\]: b might need to ignore 3 ko threats in row, which would destroy moyo.
Cornel [9d\]: or long shot ko:)
Cornel [9d\]: gutshot ko
Cornel [9d\]: wow, tesuji time
REM [7k?\]: That tesuji might not be best move in straight sequence, but maybe gives more ko threats.
Cornel [9d\]: this looks nice for b
malifaun [1k\]: yes...which begs the question why did he start the ko
REM [7k?\]: wE12 seems obvious, but retake ko first, forcing bB13 perhaps.
Cornel [9d\]: yeah, he could push and placement right away
Cornel [9d\]: but note that b ignored q15 kothreat
kaijin [12k+\]: well was not very chineseyish of b to approach at F 17 *scratches head
xxnn [4d\]: now we know white should have moved at f13 when b went B17
kaijin [12k+\]: now trades wolde corner
xxnn [4d\]: that way, white has absolutely no worries
kaijin [12k+\]: wow
malifaun [1k\]: w g12 escapes i think, but then b takes ko]
;W[gh]C[Cornel [9d\]: cut
Cornel [9d\]: e12
xxnn [4d\]: F12
xxnn [4d\]: so black connext with 7 stones captured.
xxnn [4d\]: white has gote to capture b f stones
xxnn [4d\]: questionable, questionable
PremianJ [8k+\]: Who's winning?
xxnn [4d\]: Me
Cornel [9d\]: not clear at all
malifaun [1k\]: good question
PatWang [1d\]: almost lunch time.
xxnn [4d\]: actually, white P13, might be sente capture
davew [4d\]: still a fight after e12-e11-e13-d11-e10
Cornel [9d\]: p13 is annoying indeed
malifaun [1k\]: ?
dionysus [5k+\]: w capture the two f13 stones?
Cornel [9d\]: cant
davew [4d\]: I thnk e12 doesn't work so I would B18
madhatter [1k\]: e16 gote but alive?
xxnn [4d\]: Cornel, what do you think about white move at F13 when b went B17 initialy?]
;B[eh]C[davew [4d\]: drat :)
Cornel [9d\]: lol
madhatter [1k\]: now e16 makes life i hope
Cornel [9d\]: a16 is still ko for life
Cornel [9d\]: w should p14 next
madhatter [1k\]: for b that is..L:)
malifaun [1k\]: e12 caotures 7 stones
malifaun [1k\]: *p
kaijin [12k+\]: real value or R upper is the O 14 group I guess
Cornel [9d\]: pretty big
malifaun [1k\]: w f15 doesnt help i think
kaijin [12k+\]: for Black purposes]
;W[ei]C[Cornel [9d\]: nope cause is a damezumari there]
;B[eg]C[davew [4d\]: well, here comes my sewuence
xxnn [4d\]: I like black now
davew [4d\]: D11
xxnn [4d\]: white has this:
xxnn [4d\]: E10 D11 E9
malifaun [1k\]: yes
Cornel [9d\]: approaching lunch break
xgc [3d+\]: i cant see a good ending for b
malifaun [1k\]: bah real pros never eat
Cornel [9d\]: b seems ok in this capturing race
xxnn [4d\]: I think we can probably give an analysis of the current situation now
xxnn [4d\]: black captured white D12 group
xxnn [4d\]: assume white A12 B B13
davew [4d\]: I think w captures 2 stones in a geta]
;W[of]C[Cornel [9d\]: hah my wedge
xxnn [4d\]: black has about 20 points
davew [4d\]: C wins, as usual :)
Cornel [9d\]: heh
malifaun [1k\]: didnt you say p13 ?
xxnn [4d\]: white has about 35 points at top right
xxnn [4d\]: white left upper corner is ko live
malifaun [1k\]: easy ko too
Cornel [9d\]: p13 and then something on the bottom side
madhatter [1k\]: but is b p15 that bad?
Cornel [9d\]: either k3 or shoulder hit g4 i like as b
xxnn [4d\]: hard to say. still a game, from my point of view
REM [7k?\]: Well I called that P14 wedge several moves ago, but nevermind.
Cornel [9d\]: but why save some unimportant stones then damage all the right side cause b is busy running on neutrals
Cornel [9d\]: ok, your wedge rem;)
kimozi [6k+\]: Cornel said P14 wedge first, xxnn mentioned P13,
kaijin [12k+\]: now stone is down, damage is considerable...hmmm
xxnn [4d\]: but feel like black .
Cornel [9d\]: p13 looks like a misclick;0
madhatter [1k\]: ahh thx kimozi..:)
Hornplayer [1k+\]: seems ko@a16 relevant to W@d11
Cornel [9d\]: can be
REM [7k?\]: But no pp for wedge because I was out of room and didn't predict it at correct time.
Cornel [9d\]: i go take a nap during lunch break;)
Cornel [9d\]: is almost 6a.m here
xxnn [4d\]: I'm pretty sure pro can conclude certain side is better by now
davew [4d\]: D11 doesn't work, sigh
REM [7k?\]: Lunch: I go to live music 2 blocks from here and try to meet woman I saw last week.
Cornel [9d\]: sente is important so one can go for a big point next
Cornel [9d\]: and bottom side is very open so interesting to play first
Cornel [9d\]: w would be happy to extend around l4
madhatter [1k\]: REM.. go for the music and hope for more..:)
Bogg [10k\]: sounds like a date at a concert
madhatter [1k\]: ...
xxnn [4d\]: white has something here
REM [7k?\]: madhatter: WIth my luck, last week was the only time she ever shows up.
xxnn [4d\]: when white has a stonre at M 4
madhatter [1k\]: well, once a week would be  anice score?
xxnn [4d\]: D11 E10 F10 G11 F10
Cornel [9d\]: see you all in 1hr
xxnn [4d\]: D11 E10 F10 G11 F9
Cornel [9d\]: p13 is my guess next
madhatter [1k\]: ok thx!
REM [7k?\]: bP13 seems the only move. wP13 would be immense.
xxnn [4d\]: H11 C10 C9 B10 D9 B11 A12 B13 A16
madhatter [1k\]: they are stil at the table...
madhatter [1k\]: board.. sorry
Benny [17k?\]: jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
davew [4d\]: see you in an hour
REM [7k?\]: Oh, I was typing my bP13 remark before seeing Cornel pre-agreeing. :-)
madhatter [1k\]: but now  lunch
mickio [7k\]: Why is the board marked H-J and not H-I?
bmatt [7k+\]: because there is no 'i' in Go
bmatt [7k+\]: hi-hat please...
REM [7k?\]: In German, capital I,J look the same, so Korshelt skipped I when inventing this notation.
mainichi [9p\]: For Japanese: ���H�x�e�B�ߌ�P���ĊJ
madhatter [1k\]: they cause confusion indeed..:)
Foxgo [6k?\]: Thanks! Good to know why
malf [4k\]: isn't there something to do with the characters for i and j in japanese being too similar?
Quiller [4d+\]: ummm.... is that a serious question?
malf [4k\]: heh, yes :)
Quiller [4d+\]: the Japanese don't have a character for j
malf [4k\]: hm
j33 [1d+\]: it aint a game of go unlesson you gotta a ko ... jello to all
madhatter [1k\]: .. anyway it looks very heavy of b to answer at p15.. so p13 indeed the move i guess
madhatter [1k\]: but wiil w answer there?
malifaun [1k\]: yes
codger [BC\]: http://www.realkana.com/katakana/
madhatter [1k\]: i doubt
malifaun [1k\]: if he doesnt, why fortify b first before playing his move elsewhere
unravel [1k\]: who is w?
Quiller [4d+\]: I am
madhatter [1k\]: ... indeed u've got a point there mail
Quiller [4d+\]: oh, you mean in the game?
madhatter [1k\]: *mali
unravel [1k\]: haha
malifaun [1k\]: thx
unravel [1k\]: yuta?
Quiller [4d+\]: I think Iyama is W
bmatt [7k+\]: how much more time does each have? and yes Iyama is w
unravel [1k\]: and b?
bmatt [7k+\]: keigo
Quiller [4d+\]: Yamashita
REM [7k?\]: That Japanese text wedged my TELNET so bad I had to suspend my screen and 'ps' and KILL the TELNET.
Quiller [4d+\]: the twenty first century REM
unravel [1k\]: rt
codger [BC\]: A wikipedia article says old Japanese kifu used chinese numerals.
unravel [1k\]: ty
Quiller [4d+\]: you're welcome to join us any time
Tourai [16k?\]: Have a good game.
REM [7k?\]: Weird, I mis-typed ' instead of ", yet it kibitzed instead of tell; weird!
madhatter [1k\]: this looks like babylonian english to me..:")
REM [7k?\]: In German, capital I,J look the same, so Korshelt skipped I when inventing this notation.
malf [4k\]: babbleonian?
madhatter [1k\]: also!
Quiller [4d+\]: also I is easy to confuse with l or 1
madhatter [1k\]: u mean i ? or I or1  or l?
malf [4k\]: all i remember is years ago i read an explanation for it
ipecac [4k\]: I am also easily confused
madhatter [1k\]: ... congrats!
malf [4k\]: for all i remember, could have been lasker or korscheldt :)
malf [4k\]: pardon, korschelt
REM [7k?\]: Quiller: Pay off my credit-card debt (which was for 7 years of basic living expenses), then hire me to write software.
REM [7k?\]: malf: Sigh, I'm not good at German spelling either.
madhatter [1k\]: i still feel p13 being too direct
Quiller [4d+\]: you think I have money?
REM [7k?\]: P13 too urgent for b, big for w, seems necessary.
madhatter [1k\]: after all, how big is w p13?
madhatter [1k\]: suppose first b m14..
REM [7k?\]: If Quiller wants to invite me to join him in 21st century, I gotta get out of debt first.
REM [7k?\]: b could treat moyo as lizard: Drop tail here and there, fall back and regroup.
yogi [4k\]: Thank you for the game.
unravel [1k\]: lizard moyo great
unravel [1k\]: thays a first for me
unravel [1k\]: dragons however///
REM [7k?\]: REM going to Murphy Street (Sunnyvale, Calif) music now...
bmatt [7k+\]: zzZZzz
bmatt [7k+\]: I'm in EST 11:30 pm
madhatter [1k\]: w e10 also big so if b p13, w might play e10 first and then answer at p15...
eyra3 [5d?\]: wow - dropped off about 24 hours ago - what the heck has w been doing these last 30 moves?
madhatter [1k\]: you'll figure it out by yourself i guess..:)
madhatter [1k\]: and then tell it to us..:)
P1X3L [7k\]: is lunch time
madhatter [1k\]: just another 15 min.
eyra3 [5d?\]: mad - seems like just a big loss for w in UL -  what have all you pros been concluding?
madhatter [1k\]: only aji .. and p14
madhatter [1k\]: but w e10 looks big to me if he gets a chance
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: ?
Quiller [4d+\]: w's loss in upper left seems on a par with B's loss in upper right given that there is still w's ko in UL and B has to win that twice
Quiller [4d+\]: also, the P13 P15 exchange leaves B with two unpleasant defects
Laman: wow, sun is rising. long time no see
Quiller [4d+\]: E10 later is wirth aiming at but W should be in no hurry there
eyra3 [5d?\]: and what have we concluded about o16?
Quiller [4d+\]: for B?
madhatter [1k\]: ur  the first!
Quiller [4d+\]: now?
eyra3 [5d?\]: just brainstorming :)
Quiller [4d+\]: I would be shocked
Quiller [4d+\]: O16 P15
Quiller [4d+\]: does nothing to improve B's moyo or save his stones
madhatter [1k\]: o16, b p13 i thought
madhatter [1k\]: sorry
Quiller [4d+\]: w can do that
madhatter [1k\]: b 016, w p13
Quiller [4d+\]: sure, why not
Quiller [4d+\]: I'm not reading well today?
madhatter [1k\]: so bp15 also wrong...:)
Quiller [4d+\]: I think so yes
madhatter [1k\]: my idea to, too heavy
Quiller [4d+\]: P13 seems the only move
madhatter [1k\]: indeed
madhatter [1k\]: but does w answer there...?
REM [7k?\]: bP15 looks playable.
eyra3 [5d?\]: seems p13 kills any smidgen of remaining aji
chad [4d\]: D11 pull out also threatened by ko
chad [4d\]: ie after w B13
Quiller [4d+\]: w would hardly invest a stone so that when b secures his shape he gets a ponnuki
Cornel [9d\]: Hi again
chad [4d\]: live video feed: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864604
Quiller [4d+\]: w will answer P13 with P15
madhatter [1k\]: and then b f10??
Gabi [7d\]: P15 big aji
mainichi [9p\]: For Japanese: �@]
;B[og]
;W[oe]C[Gabi [7d\]: N13
madhatter [1k\]: ahh.. nico gives commentary in their live stream
Laman: master yoda
madhatter [1k\]: ahh is that yoda?
Laman: i think so. could be wrong
Quiller [4d+\]: do you have to register for that feed
Cornel [9d\]: k3 huge next
madhatter [1k\]: yes..]
;B[ej]C[chad [4d\]: ))
madhatter [1k\]: but easily done for non-japanese like myself
madhatter [1k\]: ahh not f10 but e10.. well .5pt for me i hope ..:)
REM [7k?\]: wD11 doesn't work:" bE16(1) and w has only 2 liberties.
gonzo99 [BC\]: Quiller: easy to register. Hard to navigate later, but not too hard
Cornel [9d\]: proper defense
WarkopDKI [7k+\]: the game is not over yet, hopefully white can recover. :-D
Gabi [7d\]: I'm b fan because of  R17
madhatter [1k\]: ??
Siegh [BC\]: r17 ?
davew [4d\]: if e10 is proper defense, that means D11 must have worked? I'm confused
madhatter [1k\]: does Gabi use our coordinates?
chad [4d\]: maybe nico exposes some clarity on commentary issues here
Bogg [10k\]: white's move 10 invasion
Gabi [7d\]: R17 at move 10 not my style
REM [7k?\]: My guess: Gabi is prejudiced against anyone who plays 3-3 invasion early in game.
Cornel [9d\]: yeah that invasion seems a little premature but matter of style there
Gabi [7d\]: talk abought my style, maybe good for Iyama
gonzo99 [BC\]: Well, he's living small in the UR corner
chad [4d\]: ahh my sequence being shown!
chad [4d\]: w D11
Gabi [7d\]: I have no preferences of players so style is only diference
REM [7k?\]: wA16 seems best, force bB13.
madhatter [1k\]: yoda on nico is very very interesting indeed!!!1
kiseijoy [BC\]: too early
Gabi [7d\]: nico =?
kiseijoy [BC\]: for a16
kiseijoy [BC\]: corner has become small
REM [7k?\]: Let be more precisely: Gabi prejudiced against w in this game, not Iyama forevermore.
Laman: niconico, the video site with live broadcast
Laman: and live commentary at this moment
madhatter [1k\]: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864604?ref=nicotop
Gabi [7d\]: Who is Iyama?
gonzo99 [BC\]: ???
eme [6k?\]: in english?
Siegh [BC\]: white
madhatter [1k\]: no.. but understandable
Gabi [7d\]: I know,  but don't know nothing abought the man
Laman: http://senseis.xmp.net/?IyamaYuta]
;W[qp]
;B[qq]
;W[pm]C[gonzo99 [BC\]: Yuta Is very strong young player
REM [7k?\]: S7
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Who is W?
REM [7k?\]: Honinbo title match, game#7 (w=Iyama=challenge=3 vs. b=Yamashita=defend=3) - lunch break ending
gonzo99 [BC\]: Iyama is W
chad [4d\]: and fast commentary whipping stones about
ioyc [5d+\]: seem w lead
codger [BC\]: r4 was proposed last night - standard point for the kosumi shape?
chad [4d\]: L4 repressed by E10
madhatter [1k\]: yoda says instead of r4, w L4 would be met with q7
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Thanks REM
ioyc [5d+\]: which color lead?
Cornel [9d\]: hard to say, i go with black tho'
chad [4d\]: P14 aji leads to lg w grp on right
madhatter [1k\]: yoda: b o7?
chad [4d\]: bO6
chad [4d\]: oops O7
REM [7k?\]: Maybe bR6.
eme [6k?\]: thx for yoda's comments, madhatter
Siegh [BC\]: i'm always get kicked from nico --"
mitsun [4d\]: C4 sometime soon for B?
Gabi [7d\]: P9
kaijin [12k+\]: u sure iyama playing w?
madhatter [1k\]: yoda showed that w threathens r11
gonzo99 [BC\]: iyama def W
madhatter [1k\]: and then p12
gonzo99 [BC\]: can see on tv
kaijin [12k+\]: so they do not just alternate ok
malf [4k\]: nigiri game #1 and #7, aternate in between
kaijin [12k+\]: oh
kaijin [12k+\]: thanks
gonzo99 [BC\]: ty malf i was wondering about that
malf [4k\]: welcome :)
kaijin [12k+\]: learn somethng new each honinbo
Cornel [9d\]: p8 keima next ?
eyra3 [5d?\]: phew
Cornel [9d\]: hey eyra
eyra3 [5d?\]: eh oh
Cornel [9d\]: see this too http://www.egc2012.eu/
REM [7k?\]: bP8 looks playable, takes 20 points territory around R12, and pressures Q7.
madhatter [1k\]: yoda ugegsted o7 for b i think..:)
madhatter [1k\]: suggested*
Cornel [9d\]: so attack with cap ;)
madhatter [1k\]: indeed and if then w r11 w's attack fails..?
Gabi [7d\]: P9 drf weak  O13 Q13 area than b  K3 area
REM [7k?\]: If first/last leerts kept, but mddile leerts sabeclmrdm siltl maeks sense.
Siegh [BC\]: which one is iyama on nico ? L or R ? :)
gonzo99 [BC\]: L
Quiller [4d+\]: the one with the w stones
madhatter [1k\]: w = left...
Siegh [BC\]: thx gonzo
gonzo99 [BC\]: np :)]
;B[nm]C[madhatter [1k\]: ahhh!
Cornel [9d\]: cap it is
Quiller [4d+\]: Prediction point for Yoda
Quiller [4d+\]: Is that Yoda Norimoto?
kiseijoy [BC\]: oh, sure Yoda...what does that old Jedi know?
madhatter [1k\]: yes think so
davew [4d\]: no fair pp for pros; they should get 99 percent of moves
REM [7k?\]: Yoda's cap!
madhatter [1k\]: but who's that girl??
kiseijoy [BC\]: is she hawt?
Quiller [4d+\]: so what now?
madhatter [1k\]: ..a bit
kiseijoy [BC\]: really
Bogg [10k\]: mary tyler moore
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't see q9 working
madhatter [1k\]: must be a 7d pro at least
malf [4k\]: if she's cut, maybe jia jia :)
mitsun [4d\]: Q9 seems obvious, don't see anything else likely
malf [4k\]: cute
Laman: not jia jia
Quiller [4d+\]: but does q9 work?
Quiller [4d+\]: doesn't do anything to build eyespace
madhatter [1k\]: yoda: b p9 was too easy
Gabi [7d\]: Q9 natural
jujubu [6k\]: work means what ? maybe white gonna trade q7 for q14
Quiller [4d+\]: if you guys say so but r8 is the only way to make some shape
Gabi [7d\]: S3 S2 S5 for ko
madhatter [1k\]: yoda: q9 looks normal?
REM [7k?\]: Maybe wO6 now, aiming at left side.
kiseijoy [BC\]: ask Yoda why he has green light saber but Lukes is blue?
Siegh [BC\]: lol kiseijoy
madhatter [1k\]: ....:))
Quiller [4d+\]: different crystals
kiseijoy [BC\]: hax]
;W[pk]C[Quiller [4d+\]: geez, this is al discussed in the reference materials
codger [BC\]: monolitium
gonzo99 [BC\]: lol
malf [4k\]: star wars has reference materials?
malf [4k\]: is there a cliff notes?]
;B[pj]C[codger [BC\]: better yet, there's a "Dummies"
madhatter [1k\]: yoda: b q10, w p10, b r8, w p7, b o6, w n9
Siegh [BC\]: wow yoda prediction
kiseijoy [BC\]: what kind of hippie crystals are they?
Cornel [9d\]: r8 next and fix base
Quiller [4d+\]: you guys have no idea how much Star Wars reference stuff there is out there and the things you would learn
malf [4k\]: i once lived with a woman that had a 67 beetle,
malf [4k\]: that book was a life saver :)
davew [4d\]: I'll guess P9
madhatter [1k\]: i'm happy with just 42
kiseijoy [BC\]: :~D
mitsun [4d\]: R10
malf [4k\]: "cross cut for shape"?
codger [BC\]: Elfrink?
REM [7k?\]: If wP9, bO7 already positionned to ruin w's shape.
Cornel [9d\]: rather take the base quickly at r8
wuwei [7k+\]: R10 first?
madhatter [1k\]: r8 would give a ko according to yoda
Gabi [7d\]: R8 P9 I want b
madhatter [1k\]: p9 good enough acc. to Y
xxnn [4d\]: interesting
davew [4d\]: oh boy, then I'll get a pp!
eme [6k?\]: the fact that w is taking so long after q9 means he didn't read q10?]
;W[ql]C[xxnn [4d\]: no. He knew black will go Q10 all along
madhatter [1k\]: no.. can he risk a ko or not that's the question1
xxnn [4d\]: he just forgot the next step he planned originally
REM [7k?\]: P9
mitsun [4d\]: no, but the speed with which W played Q10 means he did expect O7
madhatter [1k\]: and he does!]
;B[ok]
;W[ol]
;B[pl]C[jujubu [6k\]: how many moves did you guess so far Cornel ?
REM [7k?\]: ko indeed.
madhatter [1k\]: yoda still busy with the girl..:0
Cornel [9d\]: no idea, very few cause I havent been here last night ;0
davew [4d\]: rats
xxnn [4d\]: B13
jujubu [6k\]: did anyone predict black to abandon p17 ?
davew [4d\]: B13 ko for a ko threat, no good
xxnn [4d\]: didn't predict that, but it seems obvious now
madhatter [1k\]: a16 suggested
spiritbear [9k+\]: p17 smaller than what black got
Gabi [7d\]: B13ok
Quiller [4d+\]: f14?
Cornel [9d\]: so is gonna be a massacre ;)
eyra3 [5d?\]: o8
xxnn [4d\]: where is b's ko threat
mitsun [4d\]: a16 could be ignored, but b13 is a real threat
xxnn [4d\]: C6 small?
Cornel [9d\]: b13 cut ?
davew [4d\]: maybe b has no ko threats? Then B13 ok
Siegh [BC\]: black leaving room
gonzo99 [BC\]: Well, that's set the cat amongst the pigeons, eh?
Gabi [7d\]: where is Lee sedol?]
;W[fe]C[mitsun [4d\]: pros hate to make ko threats which lose points though (like b13)
Gabi [7d\]: no game for mounths
jujubu [6k\]: typo Q ?
xxnn [4d\]: who many points b13 lose? 1/10th of a point?
mitsun [4d\]: right now b has no way to kill UL corner with one move
fandango [11k?\]: who's better still close game?
mitsun [4d\]: if forced to answer b13 at b18, different
davew [4d\]: w asking for about 30, ignore
xxnn [4d\]: F15 lose points if b answer G15?
madhatter [1k\]: yoda shows that  kiseijoy was right... d19 evt. gives life..:)
madhatter [1k\]: (if b q9)
xxnn [4d\]: who is better? any one counted?
madhatter [1k\]: (and w e15)
mitsun [4d\]: what is w threatening here?
xxnn [4d\]: seems w not bad, considering b lacking ko threat
asten [4k\]: better to count after the ko
xxnn [4d\]: w threaten to go home .
madhatter [1k\]: ...:)
waldo [10k+\]: b created the ko
chad [4d\]: topside
xxnn [4d\]: and kill top side
xxnn [4d\]: right
chad [4d\]: H now rather animated
madhatter [1k\]: no topside alive acc to Y
chad [4d\]: for him
madhatter [1k\]: (after w e15)
davew [4d\]: if b answers, where is his ko threat...lower left?
dugu [3d+\]: feels b better, LL w corner not solid...b has thicker influence and top corner w is ko-to-live
chad [4d\]: C4
chad [4d\]: according to Y
xxnn [4d\]: if white has enough ko threat, b can not move at O8 when w Q9
jujubu [6k\]: if white wants a complicated board he's getting it
davew [4d\]: thanks chad
xxnn [4d\]: because white will go R10
dugu [3d+\]: I think the fact w is going deep indicates he feels behind?
madhatter [1k\]: i understand Yoda says: b d11
xxnn [4d\]: no.
xxnn [4d\]: just means white has confidence to win the ko
REM [7k?\]: b should answer at E15 to eat w's liberty to aid b in semeai.
erc [4d\]: no feeling up behinds pls
erc [4d\]: family oriented game sry
Quiller [4d+\]: D11 is a good answer for this threat
Gabi [7d\]: Iyama win gosei game after oponent make early invasion
Siegh [BC\]: lol there's a vote at nico ?
madhatter [1k\]: viewrs choice: d11 or q9?
chad [4d\]: live voting on b next move
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Yes I just voted for #2
chad [4d\]: most poll Q9?
Siegh [BC\]: lol i can't understand japanesse.. i choose 1 --"
Cornel [9d\]: d11 is very proper
Quiller [4d+\]: there you have it democracy in action
chad [4d\]: Y sticks D11
madhatter [1k\]: ...:) luckily the players are unaware  (i hope)
Quiller [4d+\]: ample opportunity for spot-fixing
mitsun [4d\]: Q9
davew [4d\]: I'm giving up hope for a pp tonight
xxnn [4d\]: though white still has B13, A16 and E15, G14four threats
madhatter [1k\]: ...
madhatter [1k\]: davew..
madhatter [1k\]: no pp?
chad [4d\]: reason bC4 then fill ko after wG15
davew [4d\]: nah, this is beyond my powers, at least after three beers
madhatter [1k\]: .. so a pp badly called for..:0
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Which other tournaments or game does Nico broadcast?
Cornel [9d\]: g15 capture too greedy ?
Quiller [4d+\]: gives w a third local threat
madhatter [1k\]: perhaps u overclassed yoda there?..:)
Gabi [7d\]: D11funny
mitsun [4d\]: G15 gives W extra ko threats, D11 declares intention to ignore next local threat
Quiller [4d+\]: with d11 there are only two
madhatter [1k\]: ko too big indfeed
Cornel [9d\]: I wouldnt sacrifice the whole left side as b
madhatter [1k\]: the whole?
Cornel [9d\]: if w escapes there he can also kill the top
REM [7k?\]: bG15 OK, two ponnuki are miai to win semeai for b.
Cornel [9d\]: assuming he lives in corner too
Gabi [7d\]: I fight ko w need 2 moves
mitsun [4d\]: why not Q9, then start B18 ko next?
Cornel [9d\]: right
aeoniq [12k+\]: one dead group in your hand is better than one half-dead group and a moyo?
madhatter [1k\]: no , top still ko acc to Y
Cornel [9d\]: maybe b is thinking how to protect in order to leave less kothreats in the area
mitsun [4d\]: B then has local threats to help win B18 ko
madhatter [1k\]: d11 or q9 is yoda's choice
xxnn [4d\]: G15 same number of threats for white
xxnn [4d\]: so no difference here
WeAreCake [15k?\]: what'd I miss?]
;B[di]C[Cornel [9d\]: several ko fights]
;W[pk]C[Spanky7 [7k?\]: D
WeAreCake [15k?\]: Oh, wow, kos all over the place
haile [15k\]: Wow
Cornel [9d\]: the ko goes on
Gabi [7d\]: C4
malifaun [1k\]: that white invasion is cheeky
xxnn [4d\]: the best ko threat I can find for b is C6
malifaun [1k\]: if that lives, w should be ahead
jujubu [6k\]: d11 instead of g15 means maybe black gonna take ko next
Cornel [9d\]: c4 i like
xxnn [4d\]: white can answer
davew [4d\]: why not O8
xxnn [4d\]: because white has four more threats top left
asten [4k\]: O16
mitsun [4d\]: O8 Q8 R10, let W live small?  Then c4 maybe?
WeAreCake [15k?\]: I'm still a weak player, so I can't tell really: Is there much hope for white in the upper left?
xxnn [4d\]: yesp. O8 too passive
Cornel [9d\]: yeah at some point he can live there in a ko fight
xxnn [4d\]: wait, you meant black O8?
davew [4d\]: mitsun and I think alike tonight, strange
Cornel [9d\]: but is not so valuable at this stage of the game
mitsun [4d\]: but both 0 pp :(
davew [4d\]: true
davew [4d\]: 4ds not doing great tonight
fandango [11k?\]: i have a question on q8 ko, if black plays elsewhere, what's best w continuation?
xxnn [4d\]: I can see black go R10 and give up ko
WeAreCake [15k?\]: So then the right is most important for white right now?
chad [4d\]: not R10, but S9 Y
Quiller [4d+\]: If he does that I think it will be via o8
Cornel [9d\]: if b ignores atari under s9 helps w fix eye shapes down there
fandango [11k?\]: ty Cornel
Cornel [9d\]: welcome
REM [7k?\]: WeAreCake D15 has only 3 liberties, so it's dead, but wA16(ko) sente threatening B13, so w corner probably alive.
xxnn [4d\]: my prediction is black got sente and let white live there
xxnn [4d\]: invade around C6
REM [7k?\]: b can threaten to take the whole bottom side, as a really big ko threat.
xxnn [4d\]: or maybe C4
WeAreCake [15k?\]: I see, thanks rem
madhatter [1k\]: yoda only showed c4...
malifaun [1k\]: i would play o8 as black
fandango [11k?\]: if w lives then  O13 Q13 K13 could be a trouble and bottom is not enough
Gabi [7d\]: I'm not Yoda
xxnn [4d\]: O8 indeed attractive to both
madhatter [1k\]: but 7d1 congrats1
nebulous [1k+\]: what ko thrreat do you suggest, REM?
nebulous [1k+\]: threat
Gabi [7d\]: C4 before Yoda
madhatter [1k\]: ...:)]
;B[cp]C[xxnn [4d\]: C4 interesting
malifaun [1k\]: now i would play o8 as w :)
madhatter [1k\]: not q8?
malifaun [1k\]: no
Gabi [7d\]: Yama read Yoda comments or mine?:)
madhatter [1k\]: ok
xxnn [4d\]: here is tricky, should white respond couple of moves?
xxnn [4d\]: or don't respond at all/
xxnn [4d\]: ?
malifaun [1k\]: o8 gets w a ton of local threats
xxnn [4d\]: because the most white can answer here must be <= 4
ctlin2 [8k\]: too many treat
nebulous [1k+\]: respond, gets smaller
madhatter [1k\]: but wants s9 i think..:0
madhatter [1k\]: but*Yoda
fandango [11k?\]: c3 is too big ^^
Gabi [7d\]: I think read Yoda's because of  D11
nebulous [1k+\]: d3
Gabi [7d\]: D3 ugly
fandango [11k?\]: Cornell did you stay the whole night here?
nebulous [1k+\]: less threats
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Are these guys in their 30's or 20's in age?
Gabi [7d\]: C3 = 100 threats
madhatter [1k\]: indeedf!
chad [4d\]: whre are w threats?
madhatter [1k\]: w r10
Laman: Iyama is 23, Yamashita something over 30
madhatter [1k\]: no overplay
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Thanks
madhatter [1k\]: s9
Gabi [7d\]: R10 riscky
mitsun [4d\]: r10 suicidal
Gabi [7d\]: S9
madhatter [1k\]: ...
malifaun [1k\]: :D
Gabi [7d\]: Q8 ok
mitsun [4d\]: Q8 or respond LL, maybe C5?
madhatter [1k\]: so answer c4 might be feasible too?
REM [7k?\]: wC5 to protect left side and to need only 1 more move (C3) to take whole corner.
P1X3L [7k\]: no one is in byoyomi, right?
Cornel [9d\]: if no answer b happy to go c3
Cornel [9d\]: not yet
Gabi [7d\]: hard to play  C4
Cornel [9d\]: either block c5 or c3
Gabi [7d\]: many ko threats
Cornel [9d\]: true story :)
RW [6d+\]: c5 safer than c3 for w
mitsun [4d\]: C5, then later ignore a threat
madhatter [1k\]: ...:)
ctlin2 [8k\]: agree
Cornel [9d\]: yeah, connects his stones better but the influence doesnt look good facing e10 thickness
Cornel [9d\]: so c3 block and make some territory is an option
mitsun [4d\]: but probably better than letting c8 get swallowed up?
malifaun [1k\]: if w manages to move the game towards many small territories, his upper right becomes dominant
chad [4d\]: w short ko threats
madhatter [1k\]: yoda back.. but the girl also..:)
mitsun [4d\]: W has 4 ko threats in UL? but last two are costly
Cornel [9d\]: hard decision]
;W[oj]C[Cornel [9d\]: phew, bigger ko]
;B[pl]C[chad [4d\]: ))]
;W[bg]C[mitsun [4d\]: even more suicidal than R10 :)
Gabi [7d\]: Q9
Quiller [4d+\]: tempting
WeAreCake [15k?\]: Can black play b18?
Quiller [4d+\]: no
P1X3L [7k\]: seems like a mistake
Quiller [4d+\]: becaue that creates two kos
Quiller [4d+\]: so w can use one ko as a ko threat to win the other
WeAreCake [15k?\]: ah
mitsun [4d\]: b18 no good, since B must answer Q9, rather than take again in UL
Quiller [4d+\]: The cake is a lie
WeAreCake [15k?\]: we are a lie
madhatter [1k\]: u do not want to see Yoda's furikawari
Gabi [7d\]: Q9 A16 D3
Rudolf [14k\]: hello, Iyama what collour?
chad [4d\]: Y suggests top left is too large to ignore
mitsun [4d\]: B12 Q9 O9 continue ko
malifaun [1k\]: yes...w gets over 100 points on top then
Quiller [4d+\]: Iyama's kind of a pale olivey-gold sort of colour
gonzo99 [BC\]: iyama is w
P1X3L [7k\]: not that large with the black stone at c4
eme [6k?\]: this the mecca of counting then
gonzo99 [BC\]: lol Quiller
Quiller [4d+\]: ok, but what about Q9 A16 E15
Gabi [7d\]: B18 Q9 C19 O9 C3]
;B[pk]C[Cornel [9d\]: mega ko:)]
;W[ad]C[gfnet [3k+\]: wow
mitsun [4d\]: Gabi, should have stuck with original prediction
malifaun [1k\]: no big enough threat
gonzo99 [BC\]: omg
Gabi [7d\]: D3
Quiller [4d+\]: just E 15
Gabi [7d\]: no predctions , variations
malifaun [1k\]: w next move is a14 :P
REM [7k?\]: b must have counted that giant moyo bigger than whole UL corner.
Quiller [4d+\]: B hasn't lost the UL corner he still has E15
chad [4d\]: bD3
davew [4d\]: moyo plus two moves in LL
Quiller [4d+\]: is this thing working?
Gabi [7d\]: often more than one good move, so variations better then predictions
Quiller [4d+\]: *tap* *tap*
P1X3L [7k\]: w just get about 35 points
madhatter [1k\]: Yoda: b d3...
P1X3L [7k\]: moyo is bigger
Gabi [7d\]: Yoda read my comments :)
malifaun [1k\]: cheating!
eyra3 [5d?\]: furikawari at the honinbo level
Cornel [9d\]: now this ko is too big]
;B[dq]C[Cornel [9d\]: half million bux ko :)]
;W[af]C[Gabi [7d\]: this is not a boring game]
;B[ep]C[Gabi [7d\]: Yama read too
davew [4d\]: so moyo and 3 moves for UL
Ion1 [9d\]: good morning
P1X3L [7k\]: pretty move
WeAreCake [15k?\]: This is the first pro game I've watched live
WeAreCake [15k?\]: its intense
gonzo99 [BC\]: as usual with these two, the descent into madness had to happen
chad [4d\]: m ion
Quiller [4d+\]: B still has E16
dugu [3d+\]: awesome game...such depth!
REM [7k?\]: When I said "b can threaten to take the whole bottom side, as a really big ko threat", *this* is not what I meant!
eme [6k?\]: E8
Gabi [7d\]: Ion 1 are you ramanian?
Ion1 [9d\]: yes
Ion1 [9d\]: Ion Florescu
madhatter [1k\]: and r u Ion?
madhatter [1k\]: ...:)
Ion1 [9d\]: hehe
Gabi [7d\]: Y, but I seejapan
Ion1 [9d\]: I have some Japanese ancestors ;)
madhatter [1k\]: and also a 9d rating... amazing...
xxnn [4d\]: hm. interesting
gonzo99 [BC\]: Or is it Cornel masquerading as Ion and Ion masquerading as Cornel?
Cornel [9d\]: :)
Cornel [9d\]: I am Gheorghe in fact
davew [4d\]: so Japan once invaded Romania?
malifaun [1k\]: ...
gonzo99 [BC\]: Nooo ...
Gabi [7d\]: Cornel no ancestors in Japan
madhatter [1k\]: but anyway 9d for both still amazingly good!
xxnn [4d\]: black better
xxnn [4d\]: black upper group can live
Cornel [9d\]: I should check my roots:)
Gabi [7d\]: Cornel shogun
dugu [3d+\]: w 70pts solid on board...b 55 plus overwhelming position at LL..b e10 group slight liability..can manage..
malifaun [1k\]: w k3 ?
Gabi [7d\]: R17 last time played on move 10
P1X3L [7k\]: b can live with e16, so not that solid pts
RW [6d+\]: w looks pretty good
Cornel [9d\]: Corunero chan:)
REM [7k?\]: bE16(1) gives miai for life: E15 connect out, G18 two eyes.
Cornel [9d\]: w has an impressive top side but b has the rest of the board
xxnn [4d\]: no 70 sodlid points for w if consider b F17 group can live
madhatter [1k\]: didn't understand whether s3 was just normal or just nonsense
Gabi [7d\]: E15 G15 E16 E14 G18 live
WarkopDKI [7k+\]: where's the L word in Cornel :-)
Cornel [9d\]: heh
WarkopDKI [7k+\]: Corunoru_chan :-D
xxnn [4d\]: I feel white can resign now
Quiller [4d+\]: so w ended up letting B have two ko threats AND connecting q9
Gabi [7d\]: We are old dinosaurus of romanian go
Cornel [9d\]: hehe
dugu [3d+\]: xxnn..right...then w extremely behind
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Who are the two commentators on Nico?
Quiller [4d+\]: does Romanian go have many young dinosaurs?
davew [4d\]: go is very popular in Romania?
Gabi [7d\]: y 10 players :)
xxnn [4d\]: although, b E10 group may become a liability
malifaun [1k\]: :D
Ion1 [9d\]: w about 55 solid points plus 25 more if capturing E18 etc
Cornel [9d\]: yes, there are like 200 players who heard about it among 23mil inhabitants:)
eme [6k?\]: the lower half is mine field for w now
REM [7k?\]: wJ3 is my chicken-kyu move now.
gonzo99 [BC\]: THAT popular!!??!!
RW [6d+\]: cannot believe b let w capture.
xxnn [4d\]: any go player above 5k should know white has to move at D5
Ion1 [9d\]: b also, around 55 solid points
Cornel [9d\]: actually more people played it in the past but only a couple of hundreds became pretty active
Ion1 [9d\]: but a lot more potential
Gabi [7d\]: Go sake and sushi same thing in rimania :)
mitsun [4d\]: It took W three full moves in UL, while B got 3 moves in LL plus Q9
mitsun [4d\]: seems like good result for B
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, I think b is leading
Cornel [9d\]: is not as popular as poker
nebulous [1k+\]: very interesting game
Cornel [9d\]: b can still live in the top
Cornel [9d\]: will w prevent that next or he will extend around k3 ?
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Games involving some element of luck are always more popular than pure strategy games.
Gabi [7d\]: If b  D5 can save  E15
Ion1 [9d\]: I think w is losing either way
xxnn [4d\]: if black move up, instead of go E16 and live, maybe better go:  G15 E15 G14 G16 J13
dugu [3d+\]: only possible comeback for w is to make a big dragon out of e10 group
WarkopDKI [7k+\]: another ko threat in G19 if black wants to live in top
xxnn [4d\]: cut white G12 three stones
Cornel [9d\]: i would go out d5, dont want b take ponuki there
Cornel [9d\]: impressive influence b got on 3 sides
xxnn [4d\]: of course, D5 first
Cornel [9d\]: while w has only 1 side which is limited to expand
Hornplayer [1k+\]: i like f4 or k4
P1X3L [7k\]: p10 was bad for w
lordik [BC\]: if white d5, isn't he helping black to make a wall with e5?
Quiller [4d+\]: d5 seems natural but also painful]
;W[ge]C[xxnn [4d\]: again, players are human, human can lose any game, no matter how many points ahead.
Quiller [4d+\]: wow
Cornel [9d\]: ah, he fixed that
jokeman [3k+\]: w just wants pnts
gonzo99 [BC\]: B dead on top?
Gabi [7d\]: D5
Cornel [9d\]: k3 or d5
xxnn [4d\]: G15 indeed huge
Cornel [9d\]: yeah top is dead
Cornel [9d\]: but is not so big afterall
xxnn [4d\]: it capture upper black grou and make sure white G12 connected to home
kiseijoy [BC\]: this has got to be one of the crazier title games
madhatter [1k\]: but o give w an extra move at bottom?
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Carnage had by all.
jokeman [3k+\]: now white gotta live on the bottom - somewhere
dugu [3d+\]: ponuki is 40+ pts, or so I heard
gonzo99 [BC\]: question is how much of moyo becomes territory
Rudolf [14k\]: cool game
kiseijoy [BC\]: h3
xxnn [4d\]: D5?
malifaun [1k\]: d5
madhatter [1k\]: w f4
REM [7k?\]: Effectively w took 4 moves in a row to capture whole UL corner.
Gabi [7d\]: R17 :)
davew [4d\]: K4
dugu [3d+\]: is w right side loose stones salvageable?
RW [6d+\]: agree w/ d5
xxnn [4d\]: or E7
kiseijoy [BC\]: boo d5 is honte
dugu [3d+\]: d5 w resign
madhatter [1k\]: d5 not severe enough on f3 i feel
kiseijoy [BC\]: hard to believe this has all transpired to b design
nebulous [1k+\]: d5 seems to win
gonzo99 [BC\]: after last 6 games, i think this will become brain-twisting maze
nebulous [1k+\]: W got a tough struggle ahead, I  think
mitsun [4d\]: D7? protect only weak group
gfnet [3k+\]: j3 i think
madhatter [1k\]: d5 superfluous after  killing f3
Cornel [9d\]: 70 pts in the top just like that :)
Rudolf [14k\]: J11 bad? connect moyo )
REM [7k?\]: w has about 70 points at top, plus 6.5 komi. If w J3/K3 to live at bottom, who wins?
Quiller [4d+\]: J11 doesn't really do anything
nebulous [1k+\]: most of W stones got little influence on the rest of the game
REM [7k?\]: I think b needs J3 to take bottom instead of D5 ponnuki.
nebulous [1k+\]: I  go for ponnuki
madhatter [1k\]: f4 for me..
xxnn [4d\]: D5 F8
kiseijoy [BC\]: d5 b confident
Gabi [7d\]: F4help w
xxnn [4d\]: pretend to attack b E10 group
Rudolf [14k\]: after D5 w would K3 maybe.... so what if b K3 and w D5 than...
chad [4d\]: d5
kiseijoy [BC\]: elsewhere b desperate
Cornel [9d\]: b got 50 pts only on the rihgt side
Quiller [4d+\]: yes, on another board, B is desperate
Gabi [7d\]: D5 K4 M3 b ok
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Ponying
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Ponuki
fandango [11k?\]: k4 interesting?
P1X3L [7k\]: j3 seems correct
Cornel [9d\]: nice nickname spanky
Cornel [9d\]: should become at least 7d :)
Gabi [7d\]: J4 D5 E3 C5 B4 F6
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Thx
xxnn [4d\]: J3 is 7k move!
madhatter [1k\]: yoda seems to agree with ponnuki..
Cornel [9d\]: j3,k3 aint bad
Spanky7 [7k?\]: It has already been
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Played
xxnn [4d\]: I think b need a move to control / strengthen left
Cornel [9d\]: d5 powerful
chad [4d\]: yoda discussing w E8
eme [6k?\]: b ponnuki.
dugu [3d+\]: cover up top and right side, only look within line 10 and line O...it's like handi-9  game..b just needs +20 in here
Laman: couldn't resist. how often can you play such ponnuki
Cornel [9d\]: so b takes d5?
chad [4d\]: yup
Cornel [9d\]: strong :)
xxnn [4d\]: D5 still best after considering E7 etc
Quiller [4d+\]: and devil take the hindmost
madhatter [1k\]: yoda  has no doubt.. d5 it is
eyra3 [5d?\]: make a fist
Cornel [9d\]: is clean
dugu [3d+\]: d5 then run e10 group, don't look back
chad [4d\]: its played on the board
davew [4d\]: so is our scribe asleep?]
;B[do]C[Gabi [7d\]: tokd You Yoda is my twin brother:)
Rudolf [14k\]: great exchanges in this game )
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Food is being served to the players
madhatter [1k\]: and then k4 i thought he showed
Cornel [9d\]: k4 is an option for w next
xxnn [4d\]: F7 ?
kiseijoy [BC\]: Yamashita had 2 hot dogs and a beer
Gabi [7d\]: K4 M3
fandango [11k?\]: how big is that ponnuki? ^^
xxnn [4d\]: fake attack on E10 group
mitsun [4d\]: E8 seems only chance at counter-play, all in
malifaun [1k\]: even more fake on d3 group
P1X3L [7k\]: e10 cant be attacked
Gabi [7d\]: ponnuki def  D10 group too
xxnn [4d\]: E8 too heavy
asten [4k\]: around N4?
xxnn [4d\]: remember left small, white has A10 sente
Nagi [6d?\]: let's kill everything
fandango [11k?\]: e8 is a suicide ^^
Gabi [7d\]: K4 M3
Veedee [7d\]: The game seems good for black. However, white can live on the right.
Cornel [9d\]: yeah, b can clearly enclose more
Rudolf [14k\]: dobry den pane _
Cornel [9d\]: hello Mr. Danek
Rudolf [14k\]: )
Cornel [9d\]: will you come to egc ?
Laman: hello
Spanky7 [7k?\]: He ate hotdogs? If I carried a Honinbo title, I should eat stones for breakfast lunch and dinner!
REM [7k?\]: Gabi got D5, wins that debate!
Veedee [7d\]: Am I so old to call me Mr. D.??  ;-)
Gabi [7d\]: and Yoda send SMs to Yama :)
xxnn [4d\]: K4 not bad
chad [4d\]: maybe lacking fighting spirit
xxnn [4d\]: if white go F7, black go G5 separate, white doesn't have good move
bliss [2d\]: fight with what?
mitsun [4d\]: O6 interesting locally as probe, see how B responds
eme [6k?\]: k4 for b is just too big. w must k4
bliss [2d\]: fighting with solid walls seems futile
fandango [11k?\]: J7 is considered reduction or invasion ? ^^
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Yoda is consulting the ghost of Oda Nobinaga?
nebulous [1k+\]: h10 seems fairly crucial point
REM [7k?\]: Should w play E8 now, try to get another 20 points, and ruin center moyo at same time?
nebulous [1k+\]: perhaps after W lives on bottom
erc [4d\]: w=100 at top
fandango [11k?\]: h10 there is cut
Linkage [2d\]: I like h10
erc [4d\]: not bad at all
nebulous [1k+\]: we counted 80 erc
mitsun [4d\]: H10 nice if W feels game close, E8 if W feels losing
Pantherati [4k\]: H10 makes F7 interesting
Linkage [2d\]: When cut, give up 3 stones
fandango [11k?\]: H10 G11 H11 H12
Rudolf [14k\]: I count 70 at the top
Gabi [7d\]: E8 is a target not an attack
madhatter [1k\]: b  K4 M3 K2?
dugu [3d+\]: could  w have missed he has to gote capture f16 group? the exchange doesn't make sense
fandango [11k?\]: e8 is 1 point more for black ^^
erc [4d\]: very thick 70
erc [4d\]: 100 more likely
Rudolf [14k\]: shure, you are 4d )
Cornel [9d\]: so b ahead by 30:)
Cornel [9d\]: easy win
fandango [11k?\]: if w pass, where would you play?
Cornel [9d\]: k4 in a blink
Rudolf [14k\]: K4
Cornel [9d\]: but w will extend there next I guess
xxnn [4d\]: a skill test: in end game, if white move at T14, what is black's correct response?
chad [4d\]: yoda one would imagine thinks game may be over
fandango [11k?\]: k3 or k4 for w?
REM [7k?\]: wH10 bE8 wM13 looks interesting.
chad [4d\]: seems to be filling time
chad [4d\]: later...
davew [4d\]: my guess is Iyama will live twice in the moyo
erc [4d\]: w  E8 and b on the run
xxnn [4d\]: any one?
REM [7k?\]: wT14 -> bS13.
Gabi [7d\]: Iyama will live his groups not sure]
;W[jp]C[Cornel [9d\]: k4 it is
Rudolf [14k\]: tada )
madhatter [1k\]: ..
Gabi [7d\]: M3
xxnn [4d\]: good answer, REM
fandango [11k?\]: how to abuse k4 now? ^^
xxnn [4d\]: M3, not much to think here
erc [4d\]: wO6 pulls out a lot of w stones
mingsphinx [4k+\]: If W does not die, B can resign
Gabi [7d\]: v2  K6 M3 w ok
madhatter [1k\]: yoda gets no pay for k4 commentary...?
Gabi [7d\]: v3 G5 H3 pointless
Laman: w won't die
Cornel [9d\]: m3 next
Cornel [9d\]: or g5 ?
malifaun [1k\]: L5 not big enough for b ?
fandango [11k?\]: k3 ^^
xxnn [4d\]: G5 interesting
madhatter [1k\]: or even k6??
Cornel [9d\]: yeayh to swallow c8 on a large scale
apetresc [2k?\]: Just walking into it in the middle, this looks like a 20k game...
Cornel [9d\]: :)
horihiro [1k+\]: ���肪�Ƃ��������܂����B
malifaun [1k\]: h3 or h4
madhatter [1k\]: k6.. i feel like Takemiya
Linkage [2d\]: I don't think b can kill w here
Cornel [9d\]: also interesting good
ladymara [3d+\]: i am not sure w is completely dead on the right side; i want b to make another move there
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't like K6 it has no potential for territory
fandango [11k?\]: k6 looks like a dame to me^^
Cornel [9d\]: g12 stays in the way of cosmic go
Siegh [BC\]: yoda has make another prediction ?
Quiller [4d+\]: I like G5
fandango [11k?\]: yes yoda prediction  about lottery pls  ^^
madhatter [1k\]: not to my knwledge.. ahh finally starting to analyze
Quiller [4d+\]: always uncertain the future
malifaun [1k\]: g5 solidifies w
Quiller [4d+\]: B cannot kill w here
fandango [11k?\]: g5 too heavy close to ponnuki
eyra3 [5d?\]: feels like b should be able to play further from ponnuiki
Cornel [9d\]: h3 then
Quiller [4d+\]: therefore his solidity is of no consequence
madhatter [1k\]: yoda: m3 indeed
malifaun [1k\]: h3 yes, split and kill 1 half
Gabi [7d\]: near ponnuki not for meH3
fandango [11k?\]: h3 is played inside your territory if you are black
madhatter [1k\]: w s3  refuted by s5
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Cornel: What is the choice that B has to make now?
dugu [3d+\]: when condition is right, w can O8?
Cornel [9d\]: so m3 then
Rudolf [14k\]: M3 :P
Gabi [7d\]: M3 before w  K4
fandango [11k?\]: yoda is 9p prediction?
Cornel [9d\]: b has to attack the bottom weak group and increase this territories
Cornel [9d\]: that's all
Gabi [7d\]: M3 G5 E7
mingsphinx [4k+\]: If that is all, then H3 invites W to cover B with H4
fandango [11k?\]: J11 looks interesting to me, if you cannot attack k4 let it alone ^^
dugu [3d+\]: if board is even then h3?
P1X3L [7k\]: after m3 b can get the right
REM [7k?\]: b wants both M3 (Go for Dummies) and G5 (pressing moyos), can't get both.
fandango [11k?\]: if black j11 where would w play?
Quiller [4d+\]: G5
Cornel [9d\]: w goes n3 next if b doesnt m3
ladymara [3d+\]: b j11, w k6 or k7
fandango [11k?\]: n3 is good then k3 and split
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Cornel: What I am asking is this -- should B go for the lower bottom strip or can he get more points by trying to enclose the center?
elh [5d\]: G5 not very appealing; left side small
REM [7k?\]: Can b press all the way down to G4 instead of G5?
Quiller [4d+\]: who was right about G13?
dugu [3d+\]: b e7 ?
Cornel [9d\]: is more substantial to go for the bottom
Gabi [7d\]: playng near ponnuki not funny
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Thank you
fandango [11k?\]: if B plays k3 now where would you answer?
Gabi [7d\]: push w in your wall
REM [7k?\]: I like bJ11, better "Cosmic Go" than other move proposed.
Gabi [7d\]: M3 feel right directio
fandango [11k?\]: j11 is not cosmic go because is not sente
fandango [11k?\]: takemiya says always build moyo in sente
elh [5d\]: b J11 is the kind of move the pros don't do - it threatens nothing
malifaun [1k\]: maybe m4 ?
Cornel [9d\]: m3 to attack the base
fandango [11k?\]: this situation loosk impossible for black k4 makes any answer unhappy
Cornel [9d\]: if b m4 w m3 and fix easily
malifaun [1k\]: w runs into center#
Cornel [9d\]: heh, nice explanations about j11 elh
Quiller [4d+\]: yes, w will live, get used  to disappointment
Cornel [9d\]: better pass than play it :)
fandango [11k?\]: if j4 j3 k3?
elh [5d\]: :)
malifaun [1k\]: who say w wouldnt live
P1X3L [7k\]: h5
Quiller [4d+\]: people seem anxious about w getting into the center, it will happen
Quiller [4d+\]: not all people, some people
Gabi [7d\]: center is small  G12
Quiller [4d+\]: yes
zebulon [4k\]: W is very polite and waits to be invited on the center by b ;)
Cornel [9d\]: so my 1st5 choice here is m3
fandango [11k?\]: j4 is my bet ^^
Cornel [9d\]: 2nd is g5 or h5
Quiller [4d+\]: j4?
fandango [11k?\]: black needs a fight now any ladder is good for him
elh [5d\]: right, the center might give b the few points he needs to win, but that would happen at the very end :)
Quiller [4d+\]: never connect to a weak stone
REM [7k?\]: bJ11 defends K13 and F11 against splitting attack, while building moyo.
elh [5d\]: what is really crucial in this game is the fate of the Q7 stones
fandango [11k?\]: yes Quiller i agree with you but this is a special case ^^
mitsun [4d\]: G5, H3 or H4, J11 get both of elh bad moves :)
malifaun [1k\]: j3 is crazy ?
Spanky7 [7k?\]: Played]
;B[hq]C[malifaun [1k\]: !
Cornel [9d\]: hah:)
fandango [11k?\]: well close at last ^^
Rudolf [14k\]: close to ponuki, yeah )
Cornel [9d\]: i mentioned this too
Cornel [9d\]: but gabi didnt like it
eme [6k?\]: you get 100 internets
Gabi [7d\]: strange but let see b srategy
fandango [11k?\]: i expect h4 now ^^
eyra3 [5d?\]: not as closer as g5
Gabi [7d\]: kill?
Rudolf [14k\]: I like Gabi's play =)
elh [5d\]: this very different to G5 in spirit
Cornel [9d\]: well ponuki is strong and h3 is active, no base for w yet
elh [5d\]: it takes b's base away
lordik [BC\]: What is strange about h3? Black is massive on both sides, so splitting is a natural idea here, right?
madhatter [1k\]: but it gives w a lot of options
eyra3 [5d?\]: run rabbit run
Cornel [9d\]: h3 is strongest play
fandango [11k?\]: black fight is good everywhere but what if w simply run light?
Cornel [9d\]: very active
elh [5d\]: anyway, I bet Yamashita is not completely happy about H3
mitsun [4d\]: O6 now
malifaun [1k\]: plan is to run up the h line and make 70 points in the process
fandango [11k?\]: o6 why?
mitsun [4d\]: seems good timing, see how b responds
REM [7k?\]: malifaun+Cornel committee voted for H3, good joint thinking.
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Indeed, Go is a team sport
madhatter [1k\]: but Yoda didn't...:)
Cornel [9d\]: lol
Cornel [9d\]: yoda not in his best shape anymore?:)
unravel [1k\]: yuta
madhatter [1k\]: ...:)
malifaun [1k\]: w h4 now ?
Cornel [9d\]: got your messages eyra, well done so far with this new account
REM [7k?\]: F3 so close to ponnuki, can be sacrificed, hence wH3 bH4 wO3.
Gabi [7d\]: I dont like  H3 because can activate  C8]
;W[hp]C[Spanky7 [7k?\]: Aha
fandango [11k?\]: ^^
Cornel [9d\]: yeha but if w baseless b can build the bottom chasing all those weak groyps
Cornel [9d\]: groups*
fandango [11k?\]: j3! ^^
fandango [11k?\]: now m3 ^^
Cornel [9d\]: now j3 or j4
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Cornel: Why would G4 be wrong?
REM [7k?\]: OK, attach-and-block joseki, then wO3.]
;B[gp]C[Cornel [9d\]: if g4 w can choose to block j3 in sente then extend n3 and live easily
Cornel [9d\]: hah:)
Rudolf [14k\]: hoho)
mingsphinx [4k+\]: :)
Cornel [9d\]: lets see how it developes
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Cornel: What do you think B is thinking about with G4?
Siegh [BC\]: then g4 it is :)
fandango [11k?\]: so f3 is captured yeah! 5 points for black! ^^
Cornel [9d\]: maybe anything ok for b being so thick in the surroundings
Rudolf [14k\]: ko?
asten [4k\]: starving time for w now
asten [4k\]: now
mingsphinx [4k+\]: W should play G3?
Gabi [7d\]: H5
erc [4d\]: G3 yeah
REM [7k?\]: So-far my logic is right, F3 close to ponnuki hence sacrifice it.
erc [4d\]: cut to make shape
fandango [11k?\]: g3 j3 ....
mingsphinx [4k+\]: But with W G3, B might pick up the whole lower right quadrant...
malifaun [1k\]: h5
Quiller [4d+\]: we all now what's going to happen...
Cornel [9d\]: so if w blocks j3 b can h5 which separates c8 from bottom indirectly
kogi [7d\]: j3 only
malifaun [1k\]: ok :)
kogi [7d\]: w has 80 points at top
erc [4d\]: if make good solid group here
Cornel [9d\]: I see the plan now:)
Quiller [4d+\]: j3 h5 j5 another ko, only this time Iyama pulls out a knife
eme [6k?\]: i say ko
WarkopDKI [7k+\]: h5
erc [4d\]: both left and right will fall
Cornel [9d\]: if another ko starts like the one on the right side w will build 70 extra pts ;)
fandango [11k?\]: i agree with kogi 40% (g3)  ^^
kogi [7d\]: no, j3 h5 h2
codger [BC\]: looks like b making territory in front of his ponnuki
Cornel [9d\]: and that is pretty much it
Cornel [9d\]: kogi=nomad ?
Gabi [7d\]: G3 J3 then?
Quiller [4d+\]: you know... E16 is a ko threat
REM [7k?\]: Oh no, not that attach-and-block-and-ko joseki again?
jojoyo [4k+\]: kogi
kogi [7d\]: g3 is dangerous
jojoyo [4k+\]: ooops sorry
kogi [7d\]: takes some reading
DevaSatyam [8k+\]: what a bizzarre game ... they just keep amazing me
madhatter [1k\]: g3 looks an ouright overplay to me..
kogi [7d\]: j3 simpler
Gabi [7d\]: J3 H5
kogi [7d\]: then h2
eme [6k?\]: i want some of their tea...
malifaun [1k\]: j3 g3 not option ?
Cornel [9d\]: i am afraid b will enclose too much either on the left side or right middle
mingsphinx [4k+\]: All of W's choices lead to a significant point pick up for B
kogi [7d\]: how much is too much? ^^
Foodfan [3d?\]: Agrreed
malifaun [1k\]: overconcentrated, but maybe enough
Pantherati [4k\]: H5 for White; out of the question?
REM [7k?\]: Agree and stick with my original: g3 overplay, J3 best.
Gabi [7d\]: H5
kogi [7d\]: w has 80 at top, can b make that up?
WeAreCake [15k?\]: I hate having to work, this game is too fascinating to leave. :(
WeAreCake [15k?\]: but bibi
Cornel [9d\]: b makes 50 on the right
mingsphinx [4k+\]: If W J3, B should play H5
malifaun [1k\]: i said h5 and was told only j3 is option
Foodfan [3d?\]: W need find way to reduce b moyo
Cornel [9d\]: and depends how much on the left
Cornel [9d\]: is close
kogi [7d\]: h5 possible
fandango [11k?\]: if w tenuki now or some like  J7
madhatter [1k\]: mali i stand with u.. h5 THE move
malifaun [1k\]: thanks ^^
madhatter [1k\]: ..
chad [4d\]: did Yoda say g'bye?
Pantherati [4k\]: The second best thing about being a chessplayer is that you can watch go with a clean conscience...
fandango [11k?\]: at last black spent to move to enclose f3.. isnt a bit slow?
madhatter [1k\]: i think nico stopped paying
mingsphinx [4k+\]: W H5 is the likely move...
chad [4d\]: ~:(
gonzo99 [BC\]: and the best thing?
nanok [17k?\]: how are they on time? byo yomi or not yet?
Cornel [9d\]: so h5, j3 are the candidates moves here
akujiki256 [5k+\]: I'm going to vote for the overplay of overplays: wj4
Cornel [9d\]: i vote for j3
chad [4d\]: J3 here
jojoyo [4k+\]: not for hours yet
Siegh [BC\]: i want vote on nico :D
madhatter [1k\]: ...
chad [4d\]: I want vote on http://www.peepo.com
Gabi [7d\]: J3seem the only option but not a winning one
REM [7k?\]: It's agreed: J3 will be our move! :-)
chad [4d\]: 1st have to start with player-playr...
kogi [7d\]: no
madhatter [1k\]: ahh.. the official scribe has got an assistant there.. so maybe byo yomi near
kogi [7d\]: still a ways to go
Quiller [4d+\]: you remember yesterday how I was saying that pros generally go for the best possible move and this makes them predictable?
Juka [3d+\]: white top-black right = 10 to 15 points? Now black wont here 20 pts
Cornel [9d\]: brb
jojoyo [4k+\]: i do, i do!
nanok [17k?\]: madhatter do you have visual?
madhatter [1k\]: i do
chad [4d\]: Yoda back
madhatter [1k\]: and Yoda back!
Siegh [BC\]: yoda !!!!
Quiller [4d+\]: This game is beginning to challenge that preconception
nanok [17k?\]: madhatter, you lucky son of a.. :)
REM [7k?\]: Quiller: Nobody knows what the best move is, so your "rule" is useless.
Quiller [4d+\]: really REM?
gonzo99 [BC\]: Also. these guys are particularly good at doing weird stuff
madhatter [1k\]: ..
chad [4d\]: cut doesn't work it seems
madhatter [1k\]: g3 overplay.. i told u..:)
chad [4d\]: H5 next to be discussed
madhatter [1k\]: and mali: h5 it is..:)
chad [4d\]: seems possible
malifaun [1k\]: they played it ?
chad [4d\]: discussing
REM [7k?\]: During endgame, then players *do* usually know best move, but not here in middle game.
Quiller [4d+\]: if only I had realised...
chad [4d\]: doesnt consider j3 afaict
chad [4d\]: ie ko
chad [4d\]: connects for dango
REM [7k?\]: madhatter: Oh, did live 9p discussion agree with us that wG3 is overplay?
eyra3 [5d?\]: chad - who's discussing?
chad [4d\]: Yoda
madhatter [1k\]: well the girl still thinks g3 possible..:)
malifaun [1k\]: :D
gonzo99 [BC\]: and she's kinda cute so ..
madhatter [1k\]: ...
REM [7k?\]: That girl is just asking for some sexist joke about Go too difficult for girls to understand.
akujiki256 [5k+\]: no, no one is asking for that
chad [4d\]: she squeals appeallingly
REM [7k?\]: gonzo99: Please capture screen image of her and post on your Web site and send me URL.]
;W[ho]C[Rudolf [14k\]: wH3 Jb3 wG5 bF4 wL6]
;B[iq]C[Cornel [9d\]: j3 is vital point next
gonzo99 [BC\]: lol]
;W[jq]C[Rudolf [14k\]: )]
;B[gq]C[madhatter [1k\]: all acoording to predicion
kogi [7d\]: h5 is such a confident move
gonzo99 [BC\]: not THAT cute
Gabi [7d\]: H5 yoda SMS Yama
elh [5d\]: L6
chad [4d\]: k6 iirc
eyra3 [5d?\]: back to o6?
chad [4d\]: ah discussinh L6
elh [5d\]: recall correctly? in this exact board position? :)
Cornel [9d\]: e8 soon dangerous for b
chad [4d\]: and k7]
;W[jm]C[madhatter [1k\]: ..
chad [4d\]: nice relation to left imho
Cornel [9d\]: solid defense
REM [7k?\]: Gabi first with H5, and repeated it, but then "J3seem the only option...", sigh.
malifaun [1k\]: b g7
Quiller [4d+\]: G7
madhatter [1k\]: if b j4, w k5
mingsphinx [4k+\]: B F8
Quiller [4d+\]: maybe F7 is better
Cornel [9d\]: i want to see m3
chad [4d\]: if H7 J5
eme [6k?\]: sooo elegant k7
chad [4d\]: G5 oops
Cornel [9d\]: h7 is vital to attack that shape maybe
madhatter [1k\]: h7 looks good indeed
malifaun [1k\]: isnt it too strong already
madhatter [1k\]: (aac. to Y)..:")
REM [7k?\]: Let's see, b has 8 stones around G3, for 24 points, amazingly efficient. :-)
ladymara [3d+\]: yes h7 looks very good for me also because it strenghtens e10 group and helps to control c8
eyra3 [5d?\]: i guess it's not so easy to chase lyama
bliss [2d\]: is there a strong move on right?
elh [5d\]: Yod looks neat in that suit
elh [5d\]: Yoda*
REM [7k?\]: bH7 looks good: Puncture w's shape, help E10, hurt C8.
madhatter [1k\]: especially his haircut looks good..:)
elh [5d\]: :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: to chase a tiger:  grab the tail and hang on!
Hornplayer [1k+\]: j4 is interesting
akujiki256 [5k+\]: to chase a dragon: collect all the dragon balls?
erc [4d\]: long drawn-out game now :(
gonzo99 [BC\]: As i said before: after last 6 games, i think this will become brain-twisting maze
nebulous [1k+\]: just n3 OK
erc [4d\]: bE8]
;B[ip]C[madhatter [1k\]: n3 does not neutralize r-side completely i think
Hornplayer [1k+\]: :)
malifaun [1k\]: hornplayer gets the point
madhatter [1k\]: k5 was predicted by Yoda]
;W[jo]C[gonzo99 [BC\]: you like iyama's hair, too, madhatter?
Siegh [BC\]: i like yoda hair :)]
;B[io]C[elh [5d\]: oh... b wants to force w now because after w G5, he could blaock at J5
malifaun [1k\]: igh
DorianGray [2k?\]: Just woke up, man, what a game!
gonzo99 [BC\]: ha
erc [4d\]: b now can H7
eme [6k?\]: what hair?
Cornel [9d\]: b keeps attacking strongly
erc [4d\]: thhis one odd
Rudolf [14k\]: N5
Cornel [9d\]: j6 block is normal
Quiller [4d+\]: w can play h8
REM [7k?\]: madhatter suggested bJ4 before Hornplayer, but then hedged, so no pp.
malifaun [1k\]: sorry, missed that
Cornel [9d\]: do i have many pts rem/;)
Cornel [9d\]: how many moves did Ion guessed yesterday ?
chad [4d\]: bG7 later for left side
fandango [11k?\]: J6 G8
mingsphinx [4k+\]: Should B play H6 after W J6?
Pantherati [4k\]: J6, H7, N6?
REM [7k?\]: wJ6 seems obvious.
Quiller [4d+\]: J6 H7 H6 G7
fandango [11k?\]: black is looking for a large scale attack h7 seems too heavy
Pantherati [4k\]: there is H/...no time for H6 after
gonzo99 [BC\]: yoda's expecting j6
Pantherati [4k\]: H7
mingsphinx [4k+\]: W J6, B L6?
Quiller [4d+\]: what would he know? He's a muppet!
gonzo99 [BC\]: lol
gonzo99 [BC\]: he's a lot bigger in real life
fandango [11k?\]: kermitt would disagree
chidori [12k+\]: w need a base like yesterday]
;W[in]
;B[kn]C[zwuuu [2d+\]: B looks much better
mingsphinx [4k+\]: :)
Siegh [BC\]: l6 it is
chidori [12k+\]: oops
Quiller [4d+\]: boo! boo! The bear's a comedian
madhatter [1k\]: and if L7 then h6
chidori [12k+\]: thought he would sack those
gonzo99 [BC\]: yamashita is all over this it seems
Cornel [9d\]: peep to make him heavy
Cornel [9d\]: then m3 so no base
Quiller [4d+\]: unconcerned by E8 then?
nanok [17k?\]: looks a little bit more than 24pts, no?
eme [6k?\]: those kind of peeps were considered unelegant in the high levels i thought
chidori [12k+\]: he has s3 too for that side
asten [4k\]: then  N3
spanky [7k?\]: The commentators are spending a lot of time talking about B G7
REM [7k?\]: Congrats Cornel for getting J6 first, but no pp for 9d predicting obvious move, sorry.
chad [4d\]: wM6 discuss
Cornel [9d\]: heh
Pantherati [4k\]: N3, K6, H7?!
chidori [12k+\]: j6?
chidori [12k+\]: next move has to be magical
mingsphinx [4k+\]: W L7, B M7?
eme [6k?\]: M6
malifaun [1k\]: w not alive yet...so no m6
eme [6k?\]: :(
Rudolf [14k\]: w hopes to connect with G12?
nanok [17k?\]: something like n6 would be really funny (?)
elh [5d\]: if w L7, b has three options: M6, H6 and M6
Pantherati [4k\]: H9 or H8?!
eme [6k?\]: hah!! g8
gonzo99 [BC\]: yoda likes your peep connect then m3 cornel :)
malifaun [1k\]: k6 of course
Cornel [9d\]: yoda knows :)
Pantherati [4k\]: G5 at some point will make K2 sente, no?
madhatter [1k\]: but he also likes w g7 then, b e7 and w g5..:)
gonzo99 [BC\]: true
REM [7k?\]: w can resist at L7 before connecting at K6, because short ladder works.
Quiller [4d+\]: He's voiced by Frank Oz!
chad [4d\]: not quite the nail biting tightrope we might have expected?
Quiller [4d+\]: this game feels kind of like the opening sequence of the six million dollar man
Quiller [4d+\]: she's breaking up!
spanky [7k?\]: We can rebuild him
gonzo99 [BC\]: but this time we don't have the technology
Quiller [4d+\]: just feels like this game has swung out of w's control
Rudolf [14k\]: L7..
Rudolf [14k\]: but still... should w play J6?
chad [4d\]: Yoda proposing K7@K8
gonzo99 [BC\]: don't write iyama off yet
chad [4d\]: stay light
REM [7k?\]: About 1 hour before players in byo yomi?
malifaun [1k\]: hmmm what about f8
REM [7k?\]: I don't think wF8 works; b can wedge in at D8 and E8 to cut b apart.
chad [4d\]: much postgame analyses
malifaun [1k\]: did w resign ?
REM [7k?\]: What does chad mean?? Is game over already?
Cornel [9d\]: he should keep on fighting
chad [4d\]: Yoda discussion
chad [4d\]: ie earlier alternate moves
DorianGray [2k?\]: I think he means after the game there's lots to discuss :)]
;W[jn]C[spanky [7k?\]: Closed
REM [7k?\]: Oh, so chad only means this game will be worthy of much postgame analysis.]
;B[gm]C[Cornel [9d\]: obv connection, no one gets pp here :)
malifaun [1k\]: i said it heh
Cornel [9d\]: n3 extension for base
malifaun [1k\]: like 50% of moves in this game :P
elh [5d\]: Yoda gets it
malifaun [1k\]: (121) malifaun: k6 of course
erc [4d\]: w can P7 now
codger [BC\]: Seems B trying to conserve clock time
REM [7k?\]: malifaun indeed got obvious K6, but then hedged with F8, so no pp, sorry.
fandango [11k?\]: n3 makes life?
Cornel [9d\]: n3 is healthy for sure
malifaun [1k\]: :)
chad [4d\]: m3 answerd by L2
Cornel [9d\]: lets put it this way..it wont bring death :)
madhatter [1k\]: yoda called for n4 i seem to recall..:0
fandango [11k?\]: but at this moment w wants life or some other target?
Cornel [9d\]: n4 also fine
Kachnak [1d+\]: why everybody is refering to yoda? Is he commenting somewhere?
madhatter [1k\]: he is.. at : http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864604?ref=nicotop
Cornel [9d\]: yes, he is the big boss in japan on tv
fandango [11k?\]: the force is everywhere ^^
madhatter [1k\]: but now just making small talk
nebulous [1k+\]: f6
nebulous [1k+\]: W f6 no
nebulous [1k+\]: w
nebulous [1k+\]: now
madhatter [1k\]: w indeed..:)
Cornel [9d\]: no
nebulous [1k+\]: bloody client
fandango [11k?\]: w..hy f6? ^^
REM [7k?\]: wP7 looks like overplay, bO6, and w remains separated.
chad [4d\]: F9?]
;W[rq]C[Cornel [9d\]: oh
chad [4d\]: )) nice
erc [4d\]: w "dragon" quite live already
madhatter [1k\]: ahh.. now yoda suggested s5
madhatter [1k\]: (with s7 in mind)
Cornel [9d\]: to avoid ko
REM [7k?\]: Does wO3 make even bigger life than wP3 ? And hit b's shape in LR?
nebulous [1k+\]: because f6 g6 g5 f5 f4 e5 f2
nebulous [1k+\]: oh
nebulous [1k+\]: s3
erc [4d\]: I think b  G7 not so hot
fandango [11k?\]: s3 makes k3 more solid and p5 is an option now?
erc [4d\]: helps w make shape
erc [4d\]: b  H7 instead of  L6 G7 combo
REM [7k?\]: Dang, w moved while I was typing my O3 suggestion.
fandango [11k?\]: how can i observe later this game if they finish before i come back?
REM [7k?\]: I like timing of wS3, use aji left from earlier, now that w has K-wall to help.
malifaun [1k\]: i guess w wants to play his extension in sente
nanok [17k?\]: fandango: i think the sgf will be on pandanet
fandango [11k?\]: where?
chad [4d\]: did b play too close to ponnuki?
Nagi [6d?\]: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Figokisen.web.fc2.com%2Fnews.html&ei=ErcHUKOvGsjrrQfUofznAg&usg=AFQjCNGh1bFjkOwIp6Rug3hbaGyPpPF3
madhatter [1k\]: but.. yoda thinks now b  has to play s2..?
chad [4d\]: http://www.peepo.com
chad [4d\]: seems like ko
madhatter [1k\]: before j4 etc he advocated s5
chad [4d\]: p6 ko
chad [4d\]: else b S5
fandango [11k?\]: after s2 w tenuki?
REM [7k?\]: erc: If bM3, I'd like to see you make two eyes for K7 "dragon".
chad [4d\]: S5 no good
madhatter [1k\]: w lves if b s5...:)
Cornel [9d\]: s3 was a probe
jojoyo [4k+\]: what are the possible responses?
madhatter [1k\]: only s3
madhatter [1k\]: and then w s5
fandango [11k?\]: 361-124 ^^
madhatter [1k\]: so ko unavoidable acc. to y
madhatter [1k\]: as cornel saw coming..:)
REM [7k?\]: I'd be tempted to play bS5, but need to read to see if it works.
Juka [3d+\]: J think, S3 is not probe, BS2 W S7 and S5 and ko?]
;B[qn]C[madhatter [1k\]: ahh!
madhatter [1k\]: yoda gone quiet
Cornel [9d\]: hah, vital point again..
Gabi [7d\]: I dont chat Yoda go quaiet, my twin :)
erc [4d\]: REM whas sente H7 to make shape
REM [7k?\]: If w lives in gote in LR corner, b gets to cap at K9 or pinch at M3?
Rudolf [14k\]: w resign
Cornel [9d\]: I think b wins under 200 moves by resignation and I get 3 beers from the czech guy:)
REM [7k?\]: erc: H7 sente (force bJ8), but doesn't make shape because H6 is false eye.
Cornel [9d\]: w is running like hell soon:)\\
nanok [17k?\]: cornel if you go to collect them, there'll be more than 3 (just let me know :P )
Cornel [9d\]: will see hopw it goes
Cornel [9d\]: how*
madhatter [1k\]: yoda thinks perhaps w 26 but doesn't look too sure about that s6
REM [7k?\]: Yeah, hop right up there and see how it goes. :-)
madhatter [1k\]: w s6*
Ion1 [9d\]: Yoda likes Yamashita a lot, as a person
erc [4d\]: b commited to defend right side now
Ion1 [9d\]: "he's a wonderful person" says Yoda
Gabi [7d\]: even with smal corner and  K7 live b lead
madhatter [1k\]: ahh. and what does he think of Iyama?
chad [4d\]: well r6 is different!
Ion1 [9d\]: "myself, I'm an annoying person" he continues :))
gonzo99 [BC\]: ha ha
Cornel [9d\]: :)
REM [7k?\]: If wS6, bS5 looks good.
Ion1 [9d\]: he didn't mention Iyama, maybe he doesn;t know him well enough
chad [4d\]: well he is young
Ion1 [9d\]: Iyama is not only younger, but from Osaka, too
madhatter [1k\]: ... too bad..:)
Ion1 [9d\]: Yoda and Yamashita live in Tokyo so they know each other well
nanok [17k?\]: that disqualifies one from being "a nice person"?]I[9d\]: they were both insei the same time as me
chad [4d\]: ahh
gonzo99 [BC\]: you lucky devil :)
Ion1 [9d\]: we were colleagues for almost 4 years
nanok [17k?\]: i hope w won't resign or something while i throw the frisbee for my dog..
waleed2012 [10k+\]: who's white ?
gonzo99 [BC\]: iyama yuta is w
jojoyo [4k+\]: is w 100% dead in this corner?
Ion1 [9d\]: no, w don't die
Ion1 [9d\]: the question is how big he lives
REM [7k?\]: Is gonzo99 going to do what I asked a while back, screen capture cute gal, post Web, send URL?
jojoyo [4k+\]: in english normally say "w doesn't die"
chad [4d\]: is r7 feasible?
Ion1 [9d\]: oops, I wanted to say "won't die"
jojoyo [4k+\]: that's good too :)
nanok [17k?\]: i read it as "won't" too :)
REM [7k?\]: White stones don't die, or white doesn't die.
madhatter [1k\]: or don't wanna die...
REM [7k?\]: Nobody wanna die!
jojoyo [4k+\]: although it isn't obvious to me how w will live
Ion1 [9d\]: it's nice to meet here, people from all continents, learning from each other
madhatter [1k\]: ...
gonzo99 [BC\]: REM: the screen capture won't cut it. too small n grainy
Ion1 [9d\]: I play Go for almost 30 years
Ion1 [9d\]: I wish I had internet back then
gonzo99 [BC\]: Lemme think about it
spanky [7k?\]: I have learned nothing from the people of Antarctica though
madhatter [1k\]: then u would be 10d+ now Ion.. no fun anymore..:0
spanky [7k?\]: Waiting for their input
Ion1 [9d\]: I had to travel 3 hours by train to play Go :)]
;W[qm]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: now this is interesting
chad [4d\]: Yoda back
madhatter [1k\]: ponderiong about b s6
nebulous [1k+\]: seems worth it Ion, 9d now
Cornel [9d\]: I should sleep some , enjoy the game from now on :)
Cornel [9d\]: B + res at move 175 :)
nebulous [1k+\]: see u
nanok [17k?\]: cornel no!
Ion1 [9d\]: byebye :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: later C
Cornel [9d\]: ciao:)
madhatter [1k\]: bye!
Rudolf [14k\]: c u cornel )
nanok [17k?\]: cornel: you want us to call you at every move, ask what you think about it?
Laman: bye
nanok [17k?\]: :P
spanky [7k?\]: Thx for all of the comment
codger [BC\]: thank you for the comments
Cornel [9d\]: i turn off my cell phone:)
nanok [17k?\]: cornel nb, thanks
fandango [11k?\]: ciao ^^
Pantherati [4k\]: Thank you for the insights!
REM [7k?\]: I thought Cornel was getting paid to comment on game, so can't go to bed now!!
Ion1 [9d\]: I'm taking over
Cornel [9d\]: Ion replace me now :)
nanok [17k?\]: rem: you heard him, b+res at move 175, mothing more to say
Cornel [9d\]: we share the big bux
REM [7k?\]: Correct next-move guesses so-far: Ion:K16+E17+L13 Gabi:Q14+C17+D5 REM:F17+H15
REM [7k?\]: davew:L14 xxnn:K17 elh:D12 Cornel:E12
Ion1 [9d\]: w R7 was the strongest resistance
chad [4d\]: next move is small fry...]
;B[qo]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: this pretty exciting now
spanky [7k?\]: Anyone else having connection trouble with tetsuki?
nebulous [1k+\]: oh f6 illusion of mine
Ion1 [9d\]: white still in trouble
REM [7k?\]: wQ5 squeeze to live along edge.
Ion1 [9d\]: black thinks this is enough to win
chad [4d\]: O6...
asten [4k\]: Q5
Ion1 [9d\]: remaining thinking time under 90 minutes for each of them
nebulous [1k+\]: m13 lurks ...
REM [7k?\]: Ah, at least asten likes my wQ5.
nebulous [1k+\]: W h10 then m13?
madhatter [1k\]: o6 the move for w acc to Y
chad [4d\]: Yoda content with O6,many variations
REM [7k?\]: Somebody suggested wO6 a very long time ago, long before S3 played.
madhatter [1k\]: so irrelevant
erc [4d\]: O6 was me :)
madhatter [1k\]: ..:)
madhatter [1k\]: still
erc [4d\]: just after  K3 was played
erc [4d\]: err K4
Ion1 [9d\]: white 50 minutes left
Ion1 [9d\]: black about 70 minutes
erc [4d\]: K4 made miai of  ~E8 and  ~O6
REM [7k?\]: Ouch, I'm the one who suggested wO6 for move 88, instead of Q9.
Ion1 [9d\]: when they reach last 10 minutes, byoyomi starts]
;W[on]C[REM [7k?\]: Where is w running to??
erc [4d\]: O6,  S5 miai
erc [4d\]: nice move
Ion1 [9d\]: b can block at O6
Quiller [4d+\]: in fact it seems like the ony option
Excalibor [13k\]: Whoah, such a complex game! Amazing! Who is b this time?
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita is black
REM [7k?\]: erc: O6 bigger than S5, so b takes O6 and lets w have S5.
Excalibor [13k\]: Thx... B o6 looks nice
madhatter [1k\]: Yoda not aware of p6 yet..
Ion1 [9d\]: we're celebrating this year 400 years since the establishment of the Honinbo house
chad [4d\]: Yoda playing through p6 sequences
nebulous [1k+\]: REM no need to explain to erc, 4d is bigger than 7k+
chad [4d\]: connecting underneath
chad [4d\]: or to k gp
gonzo99 [BC\]: Hey REM, screenshots are no good. Sorry, fella :(
madhatter [1k\]: ahh Ion1, special 400yrs tournament?
Ion1 [9d\]: yes
Excalibor [13k\]: Gonzo, screenshot on which Url?
Ion1 [9d\]: amazing, such a long history..
madhatter [1k\]: and r u participating?
gonzo99 [BC\]: Not on any url
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Well they're miai for S3 to live, but not to have K6 also live.
gonzo99 [BC\]: bad
chad [4d\]: bO6 maybe
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: I expect bO6, wS5, bM3 and K dies and b wins.
gonzo99 [BC\]: takes 2 minutes to get a niconico account, then you can see her yourself
Ion1 [9d\]: I'm participating as a commentator :)
madhatter [1k\]: ahh!
nebulous [1k+\]: :why should K die?
REM [7k?\]: gonzo99: I have no video access to Web, only Vt100 text.
nebulous [1k+\]: almost out to centre
madhatter [1k\]: so what would u advise yoda to suggest?
nebulous [1k+\]: B already made territory chasing it
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Every move that w would make from K6 toward making eye, b pokes it out.
gonzo99 [BC\]: Aah! Well, the screenie isn't worth the effort.
Ion1 [9d\]: the K group is quite strong
Ion1 [9d\]: b needs a similar wall to the East, in order to kill such a group
REM [7k?\]: If b gets wall from O6, and gets sente for M3, K-wall doesn't look strong to me.
gonzo99 [BC\]: So we could be in for quite a fight?
Ion1 [9d\]: it's good, REM< if you think such group might die
Ion1 [9d\]: it shows that you're not afraid of walls, which is a problem for most kyu players
gonzo99 [BC\]: If it has no eyes it can die, yeah?
REM [7k?\]: gonzo99: Yes, if bO6 wS5 bM3 I think big fight for wKwall to get eyes or connect to G12.
Ion1 [9d\]: no eyes, but a lot of space
Ion1 [9d\]: anyway, good attitude
gonzo99 [BC\]: true. hard to capture
Laman: everything is dead unless proven otherwise
Ion1 [9d\]: confidence is very important in Go
zebulon [4k\]: Ion, you mean that kyu players are too afraid of opponent walls?
REM [7k?\]: Once against 3 dan I built live group in center of board, facing b wall all around, but that was a rare event.
Ion1 [9d\]: yes
zebulon [4k\]: Usually, dan players say that kyu players don't know how to use walls :)
Ion1 [9d\]: true, using a wall is hard
jojoyo [4k+\]: and we don't, i can confirm that :)
REM [7k?\]: Wall facing wall, one has eyes, other doesn't, eyeless wall dies.
gonzo99 [BC\]: As a noob I am confident that I have no clue :)
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
Ion1 [9d\]: I still remember when I was 4kyu and had a hard time using walls
Ion1 [9d\]: was so frustrating that I almost quit playing
nanok [17k?\]: i resent that generalization. we triple-digit-kyus can use walls just fine
nanok [17k?\]: about in the same way a drunken man can use walls to get home
Siegh [BC\]: any1 know when is byo yomi for both side ?
Ion1 [9d\]: hehe
nanok [17k?\]: (walking or driving)
gonzo99 [BC\]: If I feel like I know what I'm doing then I'm about to do something really foolish
Quiller [4d+\]: equally at home with brick or wooden ones
Ion1 [9d\]: white about 40 minutes till byoyomi
REM [7k?\]: I only know one way to use walls, place to connect to whenever I poke lone stone into enemy almost-eye.
Ion1 [9d\]: black maybe 50-60 minutes left
Siegh [BC\]: ah i c..thx lonl
zebulon [4k\]: Sounds like you know how to use walls now Ion :)
REM [7k?\]: In this game, lone stone at J8 poking out J7 eye can run up, miai F11/K13.
REM [7k?\]: Lone stone already at G7, making H6 false eye, run to E10.
nanok [17k?\]: quiller true, only i wouldn't use theterm "at home", that's a magic word, and can mean the final goal in this example :)
Ion1 [9d\]: yes... back then I learned something that changed my thinking
Ion1 [9d\]: "play away from a wall" is what I learned
Rudolf [14k\]: It would perhaps be good if w will play Q5 and than cut P3... so maybe now b just Q5 nice form? ) or kind of..
Ion1 [9d\]: that simple concept was new to me
nanok [17k?\]: so sort of "don't lean on it, you're not drunk"
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
gonzo99 [BC\]: same as play away from thickness?
zebulon [4k\]: you mean like w is doing on the right side, play far away from his K wall?
Quiller [4d+\]: what about n5 as a move?
nebulous [1k+\]: for B?
Ion1 [9d\]: N5 is playable, a lot to read...
Quiller [4d+\]: n5 s4 m3
gonzo99 [BC\]: so i should lean on waht? a lamppost?
REM [7k?\]: Yeah, play away from wall, else you get netted on large scale and you've lost one tempo for nothing.
gonzo99 [BC\]: Iron pillar?
nanok [17k?\]: you won't be getting very far though. need to map out a few of them to get home :)
gonzo99 [BC\]: :)
nebulous [1k+\]: now Quiller wants to capture wall
gonzo99 [BC\]: Q is can Yamashita capture the wall
gonzo99 [BC\]: ?
Quiller [4d+\]: my aims are modest
Ion1 [9d\]: O6 is more severe, filling one of w's liberties, but w S4 next is difficult to answer
Rudolf [14k\]: Ion1 what is the next move? )
REM [7k?\]: But in this game, bM3 is OK near w's wall because he can run to P4 or center, miai.
Ion1 [9d\]: black is trying to read out all the seqyunces starting there
Ion1 [9d\]: next move is based on pure and very deep reading
Rudolf [14k\]: )
Ion1 [9d\]: the instinctual move is O6, which doesn't seem to work very well
chad [4d\]: and may be tired after bad night...
Ion1 [9d\]: N5 is the second option
REM [7k?\]: Yes, also, player *with* the wall, play away to enclose largest moyo.
Ion1 [9d\]: both of them are leading to extremely long and complex sequences
Quiller [4d+\]: ok I certainly don't think B can kill if W connects out
Ion1 [9d\]: w won't die, for sure
Ion1 [9d\]: the point is how big/small he lives
Quiller [4d+\]: indeed
erc [4d\]: w wins, I go to bed ^^
erc [4d\]: cu
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, N5 instead of O6 makes next b move at M3 stronger.
Rudolf [14k\]: no, b wins )
Quiller [4d+\]: I think B gets more leverage to protect ms by playing n5 rather than o6
Ion1 [9d\]: cu :)
Quiller [4d+\]: also reinforces L6 a little
nebulous [1k+\]: they're not leading to until they're actually played, Ion, if hypothetical say "lead to"
REM [7k?\]: If bO6 gives w enough room for k-wall to make eyes, but bN5 kills K-wall, then bN5 it is.
Quiller [4d+\]: also I think B can play s2 in sente which is big
nebulous [1k+\]: present participle is indicative mood
Pantherati [4k\]: Is it possible for White to play S2 and still live??
nanok [17k?\]: rem but balck doesn't need to kill the k wall, he needs to win. unless he's trying to make a statement (which would be strange seeing as it's the 7th game and it decides the title holder..)
Ion1 [9d\]: when reading some sequences out, you should imagine them as played and try to see the outcome, in your mind
REM [7k?\]: As erc said first, O6/S5 miai for wS3 to live or connect out and live, so wS3 lives for sure.
nebulous [1k+\]: now you've got me, I'm afraid, bit hard
REM [7k?\]: Ion1: Sometimes reading sequence in my mind works; sometimes I mis-see until played on board.
nebulous [1k+\]: missee?
Ion1 [9d\]: there are some simple "visualisation" exercices, useful to improve your reading
zebulon [4k\]: how about just play M3?
nebulous [1k+\]: only an American could say that
gonzo99 [BC\]: please tell Ion
ipecac [4k\]: did something bite you? your grammar is ambiguous and poor
Ion1 [9d\]: such as: place stones on the board, then remove them and try to visualise them, as they were played
nanok [17k?\]: lon1 do you have some hint or link about such exercises?
REM [7k?\]: nanok: If w lives medium-big around S3-R7, and K-wall lives, b doesn't have enough points to win.
ipecac [4k\]: lumosity.com offers "brain training" exercises
Ion1 [9d\]: repeat this exercise with longer and longer sequences, until you reach a limit
nanok [17k?\]: yes, but trying to kill the wall seems too big a gamble. seems more reaosnable to make sure w lives small
Ion1 [9d\]: try to increase the number of moves with each training session
REM [7k?\]: Ion1: Studying the "Tesuji" book super-helped my reading, from crap to fairly good.
chad [4d\]: playing through this game from memory is a start
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, that's an useful book, I recommend it too
Rudolf [14k\]: maybe they have a lunch time now ))
Quiller [4d+\]: I don't think B should seriously try to kill either side]
;B[nn]C[nanok [17k?\]: lon1 thanks a lot, i'll try that. i'll need to find some decent games though, i suppose, not random sequences
Rudolf [14k\]: yeeeah
Ion1 [9d\]: the ultimate training is to memorise 100 pro games and replay them one by one, on a real board
Quiller [4d+\]: But build territory while pushing both around
gonzo99 [BC\]: time to start memorising games then
nebulous [1k+\]: have you done that, Ion?
nebulous [1k+\]: 100 games?
Pantherati [4k\]: Ivanchuk - one of the top chessplayers in the world - is said to remember more that 10000 games...
Pantherati [4k\]: of chess
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, when I was in Japan
nebulous [1k+\]: wow1
Ion1 [9d\]: there I learned about this training
nebulous [1k+\]: wow!
Pantherati [4k\]: But a chessgame follows stricter patterns and is chorter...
Ion1 [9d\]: w S4 tesuji
Pantherati [4k\]: shorter
gonzo99 [BC\]: chess is like snakes and ladders compared to go]
;W[rp]C[Pantherati [4k\]: Snakes and ladders?
Rudolf [14k\]: P5
gonzo99 [BC\]: a child's board game
codger [BC\]: has it been solved?
Pantherati [4k\]: :)
nanok [17k?\]: i'll dare make such a statement as soon as i'm equivalent of at least 1st dan at both games
jojoyo [4k+\]: chutes and ladders
codger [BC\]: an xkcd catroon said it wasn't
REM [7k?\]: It seems committee of erc+Ion1+REM picked bO6 correctly.
Andarilho [1k+\]: Q5
jojoyo [4k+\]: which one?
Pantherati [4k\]: I'm about 2575 in chess; what is that in dan?
nebulous [1k+\]: 8-9
nebulous [1k+\]: 8
codger [BC\]: somewhere around 1000
Ion1 [9d\]: time for a karami with M4?
nebulous [1k+\]: 4-5p I think
Pantherati [4k\]: How many 9-dan+ players are there in the world?
Rudolf [14k\]: why \\q5 and not P5?
nebulous [1k+\]: go has ama and p
Rudolf [14k\]: ah.. I c now]
;B[oo]C[Rudolf [14k\]: but still P5 for w than
Andarilho [1k+\]: Q5 w
Ion1 [9d\]: black is letting w live
Rudolf [14k\]: hahaha )
zebulon [4k\]: so B will get senter to attack wall
Rudolf [14k\]: I am cool
alastar [2d?\]: what is this game
nebulous [1k+\]: 2575 is grandmaster status, no?
zebulon [4k\]: what is the best wall-attacking move ?
Ion1 [9d\]: Honinbo final game
jt750429 [10k\]: s6
Pantherati [4k\]: Yes
codger [BC\]: to call oneself honinbo
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita black vs Iyama white
zebulon [4k\]: J8 ?]
;W[po]C[Andarilho [1k+\]: Q6 S6 Q4 S5 P7
nebulous [1k+\]: you Indian grandmaster, Pantherati?
Ion1 [9d\]: Q6 S6 P7 S5
Pantherati [4k\]: No, Swedish
Rudolf [14k\]: J11 now )
REM [7k?\]: Ion1 got S4 (instead of S5), congrats and pp.
nebulous [1k+\]: ah so ka!
jojoyo [4k+\]: well that was interesting
zebulon [4k\]: were you littlemaster before becoming grandmaster? :)
jt750429 [10k\]: h10
nebulous [1k+\]: a Viking like davew!
zebulon [4k\]: q6 doesn't seem necessary at this time, probably attack wall first
Pantherati [4k\]: :)
zebulon [4k\]: keep q6 for byoyomi trouble or ko
nanok [17k?\]: pantherati: so, grandmaster: some say tha game of chess is like <insert trivial childs game here> compared to go. what do you think?
nanok [17k?\]: /me hides
REM [7k?\]: Pantherati: When I was a kid, it was chutes (i.e. slides) and ladders.
Rudolf [14k\]: so now atack the center group, yes?
zebulon [4k\]: you mean tictactoe? :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: chess is easier than go
alastar [2d?\]: not true
jojoyo [4k+\]: still very very difficult, but easier than go
Pantherati [4k\]: nanok: Difficult to cmpare the games. It is anfair to compare any game to go, but it is almost as unfair to compare any game to chess...
REM [7k?\]: Pantherati: I have no idea why somebody grotesquefied the game by changing chutes to snakes.
gfnet [2k\]: S6
jojoyo [4k+\]: i will amend my statement
nebulous [1k+\]: snakes sounds older REM]
;B[pn]
;W[om]C[Ion1 [9d\]: oh
Rudolf [14k\]: ...
Ion1 [9d\]: b S6 looks dangerous
jojoyo [4k+\]: just in terms of the logic of good play, chess is easier than go
Ion1 [9d\]: for w
nanok [17k?\]: pantherati that's what i think too. i suck at both, and i happen to like go a lot, but i believe it's a bit silly to say chess is trivial by comparison
zebulon [4k\]: maybe o8 better to attack wall instead and let w live /
Gabi [7d\]: H3 at M3 protect corner
jojoyo [4k+\]: the human effort involved in playing well is another matter
Pantherati [4k\]: Chess is hadly trivial, but I believe the creative limit is somewhat wider in go...
elh [5d\]: both games are beyond human capacity, so equally difficult for us
Pantherati [4k\]: elh: ;)
REM [7k?\]: codger: Chutes+ladders has no human choice, just roll dice and see what happens.
elh [5d\]: for the machines, it's another matter
codger [BC\]: Depends on how much you like ties.
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't know what you mean when you say creative limit
Andarilho [1k+\]: O8 b
zebulon [4k\]: it's unfair to say that because computers can do chess and not go, go > chess... computers cannot paint, love, write novels, dream, etc.
Ion1 [9d\]: what is the yongest age someone reached grandmaster in chess?
Ion1 [9d\]: youngest*
Rudolf [14k\]: not much ppl oserving this game... only 3100
alastar [2d?\]: 12
Rudolf [14k\]: previos game 7500+
jojoyo [4k+\]: early teens
nanok [17k?\]: jojoyo i think he means "variety of good options", in chess there are fewer "good moves", to put it simply
nebulous [1k+\]: younger and younger these days
Pantherati [4k\]: If you compare the tecnical aspect of the game to the creative; the creative aspect of chess is beeing conquered by the tecnical aspect, since the evolution of computers...
Pantherati [4k\]: technical
Ion1 [9d\]: in Go, some reached pro level before 10...
Pantherati [4k\]: Some of my friends were professional at the age of 13
alastar [2d?\]: iyama yuta pro at 9
Ion1 [9d\]: it's unusual that such a difficult game can be mastered at such young age
Rudolf [14k\]: Iyama Yuta started at age 5 and in 6 become 3d ama dan
Pantherati [4k\]: Indeed incredible.]
;B[rn]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: what you call the creative aspect of a game is some sort of reflection of human ability
theGoSu [7k+\]: korea igo is greatest]
;W[nl]C[nebulous [1k+\]: 1 for Ion!
alastar [2d?\]: chochikun 10 or eleven]
;B[pp]C[codger [BC\]: He might well pull this one out.
Laman: i don't think Iyama was pro at 9. more like at 11
suppi [9k?\]: according to sensei's library iyama yuta reached 1dan and age of 13
suppi [9k?\]: at
jojoyo [4k+\]: my comment is meant to be just about the games themselves, not about how easy or hard it is for people to play them
Siegh [BC\]: seems like W gonna win ? @_@
suppi [9k?\]: 1 pro dan.
alastar [2d?\]: i'm telling you you can think whatever you want
nebulous [1k+\]: right side a bit smaller now
Pantherati [4k\]: Creative aspect: the ability to translate well known patterns into something new...
codger [BC\]: but when do Asian start counting age?
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
Pantherati [4k\]: and - in rare cases - not so well known patterns
alastar [2d?\]: what is BC
jojoyo [4k+\]: right..  you are talking about how people perceive the game
jojoyo [4k+\]: i am talking about the game itself, independent of how people perceive it
Ion1 [9d\]: white has about 80 points
ipecac [4k\]: it means more than 2000 years old
ipecac [4k\]: before christ
zebulon [4k\]: o9?
Rudolf [14k\]: wikipedia Iyama Yuta
Rudolf [14k\]: Born in Osaka, Iyama became the first professional of the Heisei period. He began playing Go at the age of five and reached the rank of 3 dan amateur a year later. It was at this time Kunio
nebulous [1k+\]: in the US they think 'bc' means "before Columbus"
REM [7k?\]: pantherati: Chess is like knife fight inside telephone booth, compared to Go.
nebulous [1k+\]: well put REM
Ion1 [9d\]: b is leading
zebulon [4k\]: go is telephone fight inside knife booth?
Ion1 [9d\]: w needs some more points in the center
nebulous [1k+\]: you have a poetic streak
venkman [3d\]: can we stop hating on chess please
venkman [3d\]: seems unnecessary
nebulous [1k+\]: does
jojoyo [4k+\]: i'm not hating on chess
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: I'll need to do Google search to verify which version older.
Pantherati [4k\]: Sorry, I'll stop
jojoyo [4k+\]: not at all
nebulous [1k+\]: snakes REM
alastar [2d?\]: you,tell black is leadiing but he has something like 15 points less than white on th board
Ion1 [9d\]: not true
ipecac [4k\]: knifes are older than telephones
nebulous [1k+\]: chutes American invention
Ion1 [9d\]: he has more points than w
alastar [2d?\]: explain to us please
Ion1 [9d\]: top area is about 80 points
alastar [2d?\]: ok
Pantherati [4k\]: and...
Ion1 [9d\]: SE=24
nebulous [1k+\]: what should I have said instead of "indicative" ipecac?
Ion1 [9d\]: left=close to 50
ipecac [4k\]: huh?
Ion1 [9d\]: R11 more than 10
Ion1 [9d\]: so b more than 80 at this point
Ion1 [9d\]: L13 stones are a bit weak at this moment]
;W[ll]C[Ion1 [9d\]: w must find a way to attack them and build some more points in that area
nebulous [1k+\]: never miind, russian has some mood that seemed more approppriate
ponpee [3k\]: p7 seems overplay
Gabi [7d\]: N10
Siegh [BC\]: time for center fight ? :)
nebulous [1k+\]: appropriate*
zebulon [4k\]: yose time for b, no need to fight
REM [7k?\]: WikiPedia confirms nebulous correct: India+England (snakes) -> USA (chutes).
ipecac [4k\]: muphry's law
chad [4d\]: Yoda seems much more interested just now..
nebulous [1k+\]: m13 lurks...
nebulous [1k+\]: B should m14
chad [4d\]: before S3 he slewed off
alastar [2d?\]: did you know that united state or planning to make pros
Ion1 [9d\]: thinking time left: black 27 mins, white 41 mins
alastar [2d?\]: actually they can
nebulous [1k+\]: then they'll try to patent it
codger [BC\]: in cooperation with Baduk Org.
alcachofa [1k+\]: and after that time?
nanok [17k?\]: byo-yomi
chad [4d\]: proposing furikawari
Ion1 [9d\]: byoyomi starts when one reaches his last 10 minutes
nebulous [1k+\]: have them accredited  by Hillary
Ion1 [9d\]: there are 10 periods of 1 minute of byoyomi
nanok [17k?\]: aah, so 27min left meand 17+10*1
Ion1 [9d\]: yes
codger [BC\]: more
alastar [2d?\]: what means BC in Siegh [BC\]
nanok [17k?\]: thanks
Siegh [BC\]: lol alastar]
;B[ml]C[Ion1 [9d\]: wow
Ion1 [9d\]: b goes for the kill
nebulous [1k+\]: probe
codger [BC\]: 10 -> 9 only if player takes more than 1 min.
malifaun [1k\]: kill of left group right ?
chad [4d\]: so desu ne
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, it seems so
nanok [17k?\]: codger yeah, byo yomi can mean they will be at it till next morning, that's why i've never seen byo included in main time before (?)
Ion1 [9d\]: a huge fight ahead
SR123 [6k+\]: does this then become a live-dead struggle for the game?
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, I think so
chad [4d\]: b cutting stones have few friends
malifaun [1k\]: well b has to cut, if both w groups unite and live, i think w would win
Juka [3d+\]: danger, white with O9 haveQ11 and S9
Ion1 [9d\]: even if w lives with both groups, black might win
malifaun [1k\]: really ?]
;W[mk]
;B[mm]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: to me the game looks close]
;W[nk]
;B[lk]C[ponpee [3k\]: o5 ladder favor b
Ion1 [9d\]: the score favours black, so if he keeps his lead after this fight, he wins
chad [4d\]: Q11 Yoda
Juka [3d+\]: Yes, but  black have K13 group
nebulous [1k+\]: I'd say B thinks W caught up
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, that's the key point
Ion1 [9d\]: K13 gorup
Ion1 [9d\]: black wants to secure those stones while threatening to kill w
chad [4d\]: Yoda show w to be fine
REM [7k?\]: alastar: If mainichi says result: B C, it means B wins because of concession (resignation) by W.
Mitsuzo [3k\]: Hello.
Siegh [BC\]: hello
Ion1 [9d\]: hello ☺
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Knife fight comparison isn't my original, read it somewhere and liked it enough to adopt it.
Ion1 [9d\]: BC means no rank, on Pandanet-IGS
Ion1 [9d\]: not sure where it comes from :)
Ukje [10k?\]: is this the first or the second day?
Siegh [BC\]: second
alastar [2d?\]: thx ion
nebulous [1k+\]: at least you confessed
Ion1 [9d\]: second day, last fight
nanok [17k?\]: ukje: first day was something like 50moves :)
chad [4d\]: my mistake wM7 1st
Ukje [10k?\]: where are they playing?
nanok [17k?\]: and 3 fights starting
REM [7k?\]: zebulon: Go is 51% share in global market. (And that *is* my original.)
Ukje [10k?\]: isn't it getting a bit late in japan?
Ion1 [9d\]: they are playing in Japan
chad [4d\]: bN5 then Q11
chad [4d\]: M9 has problems
elh [5d\]: 18:10 here (Tokyo)
nebulous [1k+\]: 6:10 in Japan
REM [7k?\]: zebulon: Checkers/Draughts is mass murder; Chess is assassinate the king; Go so nice and gentle by comparison.
Siegh [BC\]: black leaving room @@
nebulous [1k+\]: 18:10
alastar [2d?\]: so true rem
jojoyo [4k+\]: complicated fight
elh [5d\]: Go is like strangling with a silk cloth
ponpee [3k\]: i still think p7 overplay,better s6 live
nebulous [1k+\]: yes elh
nebulous [1k+\]: poet, too
nanok [17k?\]: elh you mean messy and painfull?
jojoyo [4k+\]: or like an electric chair with a 9 volt battery? :)
elh [5d\]: I'd prefer not to explain :)
chad [4d\]: all Yod's lines leave b up a gum tree
chad [4d\]: Yoda"s
alastar [2d?\]: who is black and who is white
malifaun [1k\]: meaning he is miles ahead ?
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita is black, Iyama is white
REM [7k?\]: bN8 goes for splitting attack: O8 runs to top while K6 gets killed.
alastar [2d?\]: thx
Ion1 [9d\]: w needs M7 next
alastar [2d?\]: are you pro ion?
Ion1 [9d\]: no
alastar [2d?\]: what are you
jojoyo [4k+\]: presumably meaning b would be in difficulty
Ion1 [9d\]: I trained in Japaned for 4 years, reached the highest level of Insei, the A class
alastar [2d?\]: and now?
Ion1 [9d\]: Japan*
alastar [2d?\]: planning to become pro
Juka [3d+\]: I think a lot of black flirt, WQ11?
Ion1 [9d\]: now I'm teaching Go, for 11 years already
alastar [2d?\]: ok
Ion1 [9d\]: becoming a pro is not the same as reaching the pro level
alastar [2d?\]: yep
Ion1 [9d\]: there is a limited number of seats, each year
alastar [2d?\]: i know that
alastar [2d?\]: it's hard
Ion1 [9d\]: when I was studying in Japan, there were 3 seats in Tokyo and we were 120 insei
LowHill [3d+\]: do u teach on web Ion1?
Ion1 [9d\]: 3/year, I mean
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, I do
alastar [2d?\]: now how much
Ion1 [9d\]: tsurukame.ro is my website
Ion1 [9d\]: now, the same, I think but I'm not sure
LowHill [3d+\]: tx
nanok [17k?\]: aaaah
nanok [17k?\]: :)
murai [1d?\]: guigui :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: w getting close to byoyomi, if not there already
nanok [17k?\]: lon1 "why didn't you say so" :)
zwuuu [2d+\]: w seems difficult
REM [7k?\]: Ion1: Ouch, confusing, "BC means no rank", but "B C" means b wins by concession. Thanks.
chad [4d\]: now exploring less fun life for w in centre
chad [4d\]: maybe ko
codger [BC\]: B.C. = British Columbia
Ion1 [9d\]: Beginner Class? :)]
;W[pi]
;B[rk]C[chad [4d\]: beginner is good, maybe category
REM [7k?\]: Ah, so alastar likes my mass-murder/assassinate/marketShare comparison.
nebulous [1k+\]: bad character?
chad [4d\]: class likely]
;W[lm]
;B[mo]C[chad [4d\]: ah so order not critical...
Ion1 [9d\]: forced moves, so far
nanok [17k?\]: b already read everything out, he's on "autopilot"?
Ion1 [9d\]: next is not clear anymore
nanok [17k?\]: ahm
chad [4d\]: K9 iirc
Siegh [BC\]: The lowest rank is 17k, but below there we have established a Beginners Class, referred to as BC.
Ion1 [9d\]: Iyama doesn't look happy
Siegh [BC\]: that's explanation from pandanet website :D
Ion1 [9d\]: bingo! :)]
;W[jj]C[nanok [17k?\]: siegh: that's cheating
Siegh [BC\]: lol
Ion1 [9d\]: ear reddening move?
Ion1 [9d\]: I like it
malifaun [1k\]: l9 ?
REM [7k?\]: Ion1: tsurukame.ro should be added to your stats/info here on IGS, useful info.
nanok [17k?\]: or desperately reaching out to connect? :P
nebulous [1k+\]: right side getting bigger again
malifaun [1k\]: or l10
Ion1 [9d\]: thank you, REM. I will
jojoyo [4k+\]: b no longer on autopilot :)
REM [7k?\]: Catching up: I expected wM10 instead of wQ11. Nice squeeze I missed.
zwuuu [2d+\]: k9?
Juka [3d+\]: Now the White got a chance]
;B[jk]C[malifaun [1k\]: hadnt considered that one
nebulous [1k+\]: well done by zwuu!
Ion1 [9d\]: w in byoyomi
malifaun [1k\]: yes, kudos to wzuuu
nebulous [1k+\]: zwuuu
nanok [17k?\]: will k6 wall be "sacrificed"?
malifaun [1k\]: sorry typo
zwuuu [2d+\]: no I'm wrong
nanok [17k?\]: seem it would be too big
Ion1 [9d\]: w J9
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Thanks for spotting that zwuuu found k9
ssgorik [BC\]: who's playing what color?
nebulous [1k+\]: he says he didn't
jojoyo [4k+\]: so..  the game is going to be resolved by who fights better under time pressure?
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: I'm trying desperately to catch up to real time, so not tracking predictions myself.
nebulous [1k+\]: don't worry then REM
nebulous [1k+\]: though some physicists say there isn't such
Ion1 [9d\]: L9 M10 M11 might lead to a big exchange
REM [7k?\]: Correct next-move guesses so-far: Ion:K16+E17+L13+S4 Gabi:Q14+C17+D5
REM [7k?\]: REM:F17+H15 davew:L14 xxnn:K17 elh:D12 Cornel:E12 zwuuu:k9
jojoyo [4k+\]: w using byoyomi more than 6 min now?]
;W[kk]
;B[lj]C[Siegh [BC\]: b on autopilot again :)
Ion1 [9d\]: ah.. so exchange
Ion1 [9d\]: w M11 the only move
nebulous [1k+\]: the old squeeze and die trick
Ion1 [9d\]: w gives P7 in exchange for K13
ottoloto [6k+\]: w dead&
ottoloto [6k+\]: ?
Ion1 [9d\]: 9 minutes left for Iyama
Ion1 [9d\]: I think w sacrifices the right side group for the center
chad [4d\]: O11 not possible?]
;W[li]C[nebulous [1k+\]: squeeze maybe save both group
nebulous [1k+\]: s
REM [7k?\]: nebulous: Impossible to catch up to realtime exactly, but at least I'm within few seconds to a minute now.
Siegh [BC\]: what happen if iyama think more than 2 mins.. his time become 7 or 8 mins ?
Ion1 [9d\]: no, he sacrifices
murai [1d?\]: what about o11to threat p12 protecting at the same time o10 ?
alastar [2d?\]: lol mumu
Ion1 [9d\]: b N10
Ion1 [9d\]: w N11 b O10
Ion1 [9d\]: w P11 and so on
REM [7k?\]: Ion got the nose tesuji.
Ion1 [9d\]: then b R12 and w cut the center stones
Ion1 [9d\]: then yose
malifaun [1k\]: :)
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
Ion1 [9d\]: let me count
Siegh [BC\]: idk what is yose.. but it's seems interesting :)
Ion1 [9d\]: yose=endgame
Siegh [BC\]: ah i c..thx ion
chad [4d\]: Yoda back..
Ion1 [9d\]: b about 115 points after the exchange
Ion1 [9d\]: w about 110 plus komi
Andarilho [1k+\]: N10
Ion1 [9d\]: so, a very close game!
chad [4d\]: haha
jojoyo [4k+\]: so it's close..  just like i said :)
ctlin2 [8k\]: N10 trade
Ion1 [9d\]: it looked much better for black but now that I count it's a close game
chad [4d\]: Yoda suggest w may connect
malifaun [1k\]: and w low on time ?
nanok [17k?\]: Ion so maybe b will try something "crazy"?
chad [4d\]: ie N10 O10
REM [7k?\]: Should b play N10 before L10? Or just L10 now?
chad [4d\]: looking at L10 just now
nanok [17k?\]: i mean, if he sees yose lead to defeat.. what's the point
Ion1 [9d\]: he is counting the score first, I'm sure he is reading through the whole game now
alastar [2d?\]: i love pros they are too strong
murai [1d?\]: :)
Ion1 [9d\]: too bad he is in byoyomi now
murai [1d?\]: go go iyama !!!
Ion1 [9d\]: he too...
jojoyo [4k+\]: both in byoyomi now?
chad [4d\]: L10 seems to have ladder in w favour
murai [1d?\]: i know but he is gettiing used to it :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: what ladder chad?
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita said: "terrible..."]
;B[kj]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: uh oh
Ion1 [9d\]: hm
alastar [2d?\]: loooooooooooool
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, more careful reading, bL10 dies at J7.
Ion1 [9d\]: I thought this is not working...
chad [4d\]: okay so Yoda on the fence now...
alastar [2d?\]: fence barriere?
chad [4d\]: swap k g fob9 gp]
;W[ki]C[Quiller [4d+\]: but very well dressed for fence climbing
jojoyo [4k+\]: i don't see why it doesn't work
chad [4d\]: for
Ion1 [9d\]: pff.. this is difficult
Quiller [4d+\]: notice that although Yoda is taller than in the films and not green - still bald
Ion1 [9d\]: but black I think just made a mistake
murai [1d?\]: looks better for w
alastar [2d?\]: why]
;B[kl]C[nanok [17k?\]: looks m10 captured?
alastar [2d?\]: black is eating big now
Ion1 [9d\]: I'd love to show you why... there are sequences leading to b's defeat
Ion1 [9d\]: terrible
alastar [2d?\]: i 'd love to see
chad [4d\]: amazing turn about
murai [1d?\]: k5 surely alive ?
alastar [2d?\]: i love go]
;W[mj]C[REM [7k?\]: No, my second reading was wrong, b escapes to left or bottom (miai), maybe...
elh [5d\]: Accorging to Yoda, b should have N10 before L10
jojoyo [4k+\]: well it will play out
jojoyo [4k+\]: and if it doesn't you can tell us afterwards
Ion1 [9d\]: terrible
Ion1 [9d\]: b N10 was the only move
Ion1 [9d\]: let's see]
;B[kk]C[Ion1 [9d\]: maybe Yamashita saw something we all missed
REM [7k?\]: elh: Thanks, although my N10 reading disagreed with Yoda, so now I'm more confused.
Laman: i hope Yamashita hasn't blundered a second game away
elh [5d\]: :)
chad [4d\]: N10 was also 'bad' O10
Quiller [4d+\]: is w in byo-yomi yet?
alastar [2d?\]: are you in studying room ion?
alastar [2d?\]: are just at home?
jojoyo [4k+\]: yes, both are i think
Ion1 [9d\]: I'm watching a live video stream]
;W[ik]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: but w is for sure
Ion1 [9d\]: Internet ;)
chad [4d\]: this is Yoda's reading
alastar [2d?\]: can you give the link please
Siegh [BC\]: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864604
Laman: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv99864604
Quiller [4d+\]: odd, for me the stone appears here before the footage on the TV screen comes through
elh [5d\]: Iyama looked full of confidence as he played J9
alastar [2d?\]: thx siegh
chad [4d\]: yup both lag on ocassion
chad [4d\]: or either if you prefer
REM [7k?\]: So b captures 2 stones, and w wall escapes to left and up...
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita keeps on whining ...
Siegh [BC\]: lol
Quiller [4d+\]: j10 k11 h9?
malifaun [1k\]: so b loses L13 stones and gets nothing in return ?
Siegh [BC\]: see yamashita body language
Ion1 [9d\]: I don't think he can turn the tide...
ponpee [3k\]: b collape
chad [4d\]: interesting camera angle
chad [4d\]: up and to right
chad [4d\]: making holder appear dominant
Ion1 [9d\]: maybe there are several cameras
ottoloto [6k+\]: Yamashita is white?
Quiller [4d+\]: I've been in that room
chad [4d\]: nope
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita is black
chad [4d\]: only one shown + board
ottoloto [6k+\]: thanks
bodhi [6d\]: so exciting a game
Laman: by the way, does anyone know who is the female commentator?
chad [4d\]: subtle not blatant
Ion1 [9d\]: her name is Osawa]
;B[ij]C[chad [4d\]: but there
Ion1 [9d\]: sister of Osawa Narumi
Ion1 [9d\]: she was insei the same time as me
Laman: thanks
REM [7k?\]: Laman: You looking for the one that everyone says is so cute?
elh [5d\]: she has the same smile as her sister :)
jojoyo [4k+\]: "same time as I"
Ion1 [9d\]: yes :)
chad [4d\]: Yoda reading made this pretty bad for b
murai [1d?\]: everything looks bad for w, doesn't it ?
Ion1 [9d\]: same time as I :)
REM [7k?\]: Hmm, b gets squeezed again.
Ion1 [9d\]: bad for black
Ion1 [9d\]: black is damezumari
chad [4d\]: certainly H is hamming it up just now
Ion1 [9d\]: I won't be surprised if he resigns now]
;W[ji]C[chad [4d\]: what I cannot fathom is why Yoda stopped commenting before S3
chad [4d\]: at least reviewed game
chad [4d\]: rather than forecasting]
;B[km]C[Nagi [6d?\]: b gets half the board?!
Ion1 [9d\]: 6 minutes left for black
REM [7k?\]: I like to say "She was ... same time as I *was*" to make grammar clear.
Ion1 [9d\]: no, he won't
ponpee [3k\]: k8
elh [5d\]: H9
chad [4d\]: okay iirc Yoda missed this
Ion1 [9d\]: yes, H9
murai [1d?\]: h9
Ion1 [9d\]: b damezumari
Ion1 [9d\]: w K8 sente
Ion1 [9d\]: so there is no cut possible]
;W[hk]C[chad [4d\]: played forcing moves, that required this later
REM [7k?\]: No, w doesn't go for squeeze, goes for capture of K13 instead, gives up M7.
chad [4d\]: all same
jojoyo [4k+\]: so the weakness of L13 ended up mattering...
Ion1 [9d\]: b P11
chad [4d\]: M6 is ladder of old
REM [7k?\]: w capture J10, or H7 for eye, seem miai.
Ion1 [9d\]: 5 minutes left for Yamashita
chad [4d\]: Yoda back
bodhi [6d\]: b lose it
Ion1 [9d\]: 4 minutes
chad [4d\]: w gets out, but b looses little
REM [7k?\]: SInce b never got M3, w needs only one eye in sente, M3 for 2nd eye.
bodhi [6d\]: white M8 2 stones still works
Ion1 [9d\]: w is connected to the center
chad [4d\]: and reduces top
Ion1 [9d\]: no need for life in the M3 area
Nagi [6d?\]: wow w gets everything out (except s3)
nanok [17k?\]: so p7 has been sacrificed but not accepted by the gods]
;B[oi]C[bodhi [6d\]: yes.. w connect
malifaun [1k\]: n11 ?
REM [7k?\]: Yes, wL5 sente because wM6 atari/kill.
Pantherati [4k\]: P12?!
elh [5d\]: Yoda didn't like this either
chad [4d\]: iirc wP12
Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita prepares to resign?]
;W[oh]C[Nagi [6d?\]: b gets n11?
Juka [3d+\]: w P12, fight for sente
Nagi [6d?\]: not
Quiller [4d+\]: after 160 moves and 16 hours of play, if you're not ready to resign you never will be]
;B[ni]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: and two lunches, don't forget that
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
Quiller [4d+\]: Yamashita looks healthy enough, he could miss lunch]
;W[nh]
;B[ph]C[nebulous [1k+\]: so if B h10 w where?
chad [4d\]: Robert the Bruce
nebulous [1k+\]: g10?
Ion1 [9d\]: w G10
Ion1 [9d\]: w K8 sente, keep that in mind
nebulous [1k+\]: theb B j8?
REM [7k?\]: Black's losing move was S6, killing S3 but letting P7 run to center.]
;W[mi]C[nebulous [1k+\]: then*
oinari0707 [5k\]: ԕ֊̩¦ˆ¢©§٪©ˆ¢…™µ¢…·
Ion1 [9d\]: w K8 sente, threatening M6 ladder, nebulous]
;B[ng]
;W[nj]
;B[qi]C[REM [7k?\]: S14 rescued, but is L13 also rescued?
alastar [2d?\]: i've got the stream ^^
Quiller [4d+\]: the moves appear here first, or they do for me
jojoyo [4k+\]: just M13 now is enough?
chad [4d\]: the trick is finding ones own 100 pro games
alastar [2d?\]: they do in general
Quiller [4d+\]: but then I'm in Australia, everything looks upside down
chad [4d\]: this is one for me
REM [7k?\]: Long pause, did b resign already?
Laman: not yet
Siegh [BC\]: lol see iyama body lang
Ion1 [9d\]: they will play till the end, it seems
chad [4d\]: twitchy as hell
Juka [3d+\]: now says the decision to play with C8?
REM [7k?\]: But w seems to have eaten several minutes of byo yomi on this one move.
chad [4d\]: scag come down
nebulous [1k+\]: B h10 W g10 B j8 W k8 B g9 Ion?]
;W[gj]C[chad [4d\]: nice
nebulous [1k+\]: too late
REM [7k?\]: Anyone agree with me, bS6 was losing move?
Ion1 [9d\]: still w wins that semeai, nebulous
Ion1 [9d\]: I think L10 was the losing move
Gorim [7k?\]: Nebulous whtie than captures L6 in a ladder]
;B[fk]C[Quiller [4d+\]: no, I think B was playabl until L10
nebulous [1k+\]: not till he saves j9-h9
Siegh [BC\]: yoda should text yamashita before he making that l10 move
murai [1d?\]: a10 sente]
;W[aj]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: good call murai
chad [4d\]: great call
murai [1d?\]: :)]
;B[bj]C[chad [4d\]: N3 here
Ion1 [9d\]: let's count the score again
nebulous [1k+\]: W still 80 at top
Ion1 [9d\]: w about 100 plus komi]
;W[lg]C[Ion1 [9d\]: (assuming w will capture the 3 stones)
REM [7k?\]: murai got timing of A10 monkey jump, congrats.
Ion1 [9d\]: just as he did
nebulous [1k+\]: not yet]
;B[lf]C[Ion1 [9d\]: they are captured
Ion1 [9d\]: b around 100
Ion1 [9d\]: so w ahead by komi]
;W[mf]C[chad [4d\]: oooh
nebulous [1k+\]: how did you count h4-5?
chad [4d\]: Yoda didnt find good way yet
nebulous [1k+\]: dead?
Ion1 [9d\]: not dead]
;B[le]C[Ion1 [9d\]: w H6 sente
Ion1 [9d\]: threatening F6
chad [4d\]: N13 maybe]
;W[mg]
;B[ne]C[jojoyo [4k+\]: what else?
Ion1 [9d\]: another exchange
chad [4d\]: \]looks tricky
Ion1 [9d\]: the score stays the same]
;W[nd]C[astotia [8k?\]: what's the score ???]
;B[me]C[Ion1 [9d\]: w ahead by komi
Ion1 [9d\]: if I count right
ottoloto [6k+\]: why o16?
REM [7k?\]: L15]
;W[ke]C[nebulous [1k+\]: m3 big
Ion1 [9d\]: incredible, how big w's center got..
ctlin2 [8k\]: b seems lead]
;B[hm]C[Ion1 [9d\]: this is a huge reverse sente move
Ion1 [9d\]: 7 points reverse sente]
;W[il]C[elh [5d\]: w A11 next?
ottoloto [6k+\]: hm, yx
ottoloto [6k+\]: tx
ctlin2 [8k\]: game over?
nebulous [1k+\]: seems like B got situation under control
nanok [17k?\]: who's control, though]
;B[hn]C[nebulous [1k+\]: m3 m17 a11 this one
REM [7k?\]: wN3 lots of points.
nebulous [1k+\]: yes indeed
Ion1 [9d\]: N3 area the last big move
ottoloto [6k+\]: a12
Ion1 [9d\]: first A11, normally
elh [5d\]: Yoda suggests N2]
;W[mr]C[elh [5d\]: w P2 sente next
nebulous [1k+\]: 1 for Yoda
Ion1 [9d\]: this threatens R2
REM [7k?\]: Yoda got it!
Ion1 [9d\]: so probably sente
Ion1 [9d\]: 1pp for Yoda :)
elh [5d\]: oh, ic. Yoda didn't see that? :)]
;B[ld]C[dionysus [5k+\]: estimator  says black leads by 7.5     :)
Quiller [4d+\]: these two are paying different games on the same board]
;W[ai]C[REM [7k?\]: b has eye at M7, and miai O5 or Q2 for second eye?
murai [1d?\]: k2 ?
murai [1d?\]: w
Ion1 [9d\]: w R2 not working, sorry, b can block at Q2
chad [4d\]: http://www.peepo.com
Quiller [4d+\]: liar!
Ion1 [9d\]: R2 Q2 T2 S1 R1 Q1]
;B[ak]C[Quiller [4d+\]: j'accus Ion, j'accuse!
elh [5d\]: and I believed you!
Ion1 [9d\]: hehe
Siegh [BC\]: what now
Quiller [4d+\]: still p2 sente
Quiller [4d+\]: then again so is M18
Ion1 [9d\]: w S7 sente though
nebulous [1k+\]: that's why he played h6 instead of m3, I think
nebulous [1k+\]: so he could block here
nebulous [1k+\]: a9
Quiller [4d+\]: see, this I don't get
jojoyo [4k+\]: what's that?]
;W[bh]C[Quiller [4d+\]: why would you play A11 if you weren't going to follow up with B12?]
;B[bi]C[Siegh [BC\]: lol there is ur b12
Quiller [4d+\]: and if you are going to follow up with B12 why are we waiting hm?
jojoyo [4k+\]: w delaying his move so he can use his minute to think of other things]
;W[ah]C[Quiller [4d+\]: inconsiderate slackers]
;B[bk]C[palintonos [16k\]: which color is iyama?
Ion1 [9d\]: Iyama is white
Ion1 [9d\]: the new Honinbo, I think
nebulous [1k+\]: B left about 55]
;W[lc]C[nebulous [1k+\]: 57-58
Siegh [BC\]: so now answer n2 ?
Ion1 [9d\]: or resign?
nebulous [1k+\]: right only 25
nebulous [1k+\]: 32 sorry
gfnet [2k\]: seems no one can win Iyama in Japan
REM [7k?\]: b can't resign, giving up title; hope for w blunder. :-)]
;B[mq]C[Ion1 [9d\]: Yamashita is down to his last minute
REM [7k?\]: wO2 looks playable. B can't cut at M2.
nebulous [1k+\]: W ahead by komi
Ion1 [9d\]: true
Ion1 [9d\]: @both of you
nanok [17k?\]: cornel must be tossing and turning in his sleep :P
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
elh [5d\]: but how do you answer b L2 REM?
Quiller [4d+\]: k2
nebulous [1k+\]: 24 moves late for B to resig
nebulous [1k+\]: n
elh [5d\]: I'm asking REM
Ion1 [9d\]: 3 minutes left for w
Quiller [4d+\]: oh sorry, take over REM]
;W[oi]C[elh [5d\]: :)]
;B[rh]
;W[nr]C[Laman: good, that's 200 moves
Ion1 [9d\]: was there a bet about that? :)]
;B[lr]C[Laman: there was
Laman: and while i don't care about winning, i don't like losing
nanok [17k?\]: he still gets beer from me, guaranteed, if he's in the neighborhood
nanok [17k?\]: what i meant about tossing and turning is he's missing all the "fun"
jojoyo [4k+\]: in the words of the immortal Sam G...  "I may not always be right..  but I'm never wrong!"]
;W[kr]C[Ion1 [9d\]: :)]
;B[lq]
;W[ls]C[Ion1 [9d\]: w leads with a bit more than komi, says Yoda
Quiller [4d+\]: seems right
asten [4k\]: sam gamegie?]
;B[or]C[codger [BC\]: Doesn't sound like Sam
REM [7k?\]: elh bL2 (after wO2) Good question. Hmm, no answer, so wO2 not playable. Thanks.]
;W[nq]C[chad [4d\]: and where does he attribute the turning point?
Ion1 [9d\]: L10
nebulous [1k+\]: he played it manyway, REM
nebulous [1k+\]: anyway
REM [7k?\]: But I see b made mistake, played M2 instead of L2, ha ha.
Quiller [4d+\]: s8 or j2 seem bigger]
;B[gi]C[nebulous [1k+\]: not a mistake at this level rem
elh [5d\]: L2 doesn't work, REM
Siegh [BC\]: any1 know how many times left for white ?
elh [5d\]: w plays K2
chad [4d\]: I feel b built too close to ponnuki]
;W[hi]
;B[gf]C[ponpee [3k\]: how w answer if b L2 instead of m2
Ion1 [9d\]: 3 or 4 minutes left for w
chad [4d\]: seem to remember G4@J4 for example
Ion1 [9d\]: w K2, ponpee
Gabi [7d\]: H3 was strange for me]
;W[hf]C[ponpee [3k\]: thank ion
chad [4d\]: also H3
Ion1 [9d\]: more than 7k people watching this game!
chad [4d\]: http://www.peepo.com
chad [4d\]: if there's 7k...
murai [1d?\]: wM5 ?]
;B[np]C[REM [7k?\]: After bM2 mistake, I read out that w could play M3 instead of M1, miai capture M2 or capture L6.
Ion1 [9d\]: w M5 b L5
Ion1 [9d\]: w fails]
;W[lp]C[Ion1 [9d\]: M4 tesuji
murai [1d?\]: if b L5 white pushes O4]
;B[mp]C[Ion1 [9d\]: O4 is black
REM [7k?\]: bamboo in sente.
Ion1 [9d\]: you meant, before that?
Quiller [4d+\]: I still think s8 or j2 were bigger than o4
murai [1d?\]: yeah
Ion1 [9d\]: then, it was working, but no time for it
murai [1d?\]: yes i got that :)
Ion1 [9d\]: ok :)]
;W[rl]C[astotia [8k?\]: what's the score now??
nebulous [1k+\]: 3-3]
;B[ir]C[Ukje [10k?\]: Hmm, yoda's picture on gobase looks very friendly and happy]
;W[sn]C[Ion1 [9d\]: he's a nice person, I can confirm that
Ion1 [9d\]: if bT7 then wT8 S7 S10]
;B[sm]C[REM [7k?\]: My first count of the game has w ahead by about the komi, easy win, new Honinbo.
Quiller [4d+\]: by golly!]
;W[sl]C[Ion1 [9d\]: b is losing points
jojoyo [4k+\]: b hoping for a slipup?
Ion1 [9d\]: he will resign, most probably
Quiller [4d+\]: watch out for s10!]
;B[rm]C[Ion1 [9d\]: nope
Ion1 [9d\]: no resignation]
;W[rj]C[Quiller [4d+\]: I blame the internets
REM [7k?\]: Ouch, w ahead by much more than komi now.]
;B[qj]
;W[sk]
;B[ri]C[pauc [1k\]: unob
Ion1 [9d\]: painful for black...]
;W[sj]C[pauc [1k\]: unob 104]
;B[qg]C[nebulous [1k+\]: I count the same, B right 32
Ion1 [9d\]: ouch
Ion1 [9d\]: so painful
pSellers [4k\]: how much is byo yomi here ?
elh [5d\]: 1 minute
codger [BC\]: 1m
nebulous [1k+\]: 1" x 10]
;W[lo]
;B[ln]C[Quiller [4d+\]: no, still around komi
nebulous [1k+\]: yes
pSellers [4k\]: thx]
;W[gl]C[elh [5d\]: Yamashita put on his jacket]
;B[fl]C[elh [5d\]: for the pictures...]
;W[sf]C[cuetzpalin [4k?\]: Eduardo, estas viendo la partida en el tele o algo?]
;B[sg]
;W[se]C[elh [5d\]: live stream]
;B[jr]C[cuetzpalin [4k?\]: Ya veo...]
;W[kq]
;B[ko]
;W[kp]
;B[js]C[nebulous [1k+\]: B left 60]
;W[ks]C[nebulous [1k+\]: B 92]
;B[gk]
;W[si]
;B[sh]
;W[ef]
;B[ei]
;W[hl]C[REM [7k?\]: You're right. B gained bigger LR corner matched loss around S10.
nebulous [1k+\]: W 82-83 + komi + 2 more caps
nebulous [1k+\]: very clos]
;B[md]C[nebulous [1k+\]: e]
;W[mc]
;B[kd]C[pSellers [4k\]: w +0.5, I counted, but maybe, I'm wrong
REM [7k?\]: After #235, w ahead by appx. the komi.
nebulous [1k+\]: W need 1 more stone round h12]
;W[kc]
;B[pg]C[nebulous [1k+\]: I'd say B wins]
;W[hj]C[pSellers [4k\]: yes, maybe I forgot this]
;B[fj]C[Ion1 [9d\]: 7.5 for w]
;W[ms]
;B[oq]C[REM [7k?\]: Yes Ion, within a point or two of w by the komi.]
;W[hh]
;B[os]C[Ion1 [9d\]: it was a nice title match!
chad [4d\]: better not wake Cornel
elh [5d\]: over
Laman: epic games
Ion1 [9d\]: :)
Siegh [BC\]: counting now
elh [5d\]: what a game
REM [7k?\]: Even if b still ahead after bS6 mistake, that was psychological losing move.
chad [4d\]: so draw on the board
Laman: well, congratulations to the new Honinbo
chad [4d\]: no b +1
REM [7k?\]: Pretty close to draw on board.
chad [4d\]: -1
Ion1 [9d\]: 7.5p win for white
pSellers [4k\]: ok, I counted bad ;-(
elh [5d\]: 7.5])