(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[hailthorn]PB[Tyro]WR[7k]BR[5k]DT[2012-07-27]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Cannot relax
Tyro [5k?\]: So excited
Tyro [5k?\]: Going to beat stalkor at point :D
]RE[B+Resign]
(;B[pd]BL[1788.707]
;W[dp]WL[1797.877]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Thank you for the game :D
Tyro [5k?\]: ASR league
]
;B[pq]BL[1781.633]C[hailthorn [7k\]: Good game. ASR League
]
;W[dd]WL[1795.361]C[Ephidel [1k\]: so far so good
Ephidel [1k\]: like pros
]
;B[qk]BL[1777.447]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Feel free to quickly look through it first or however you review :D
Ephidel [1k\]: ok so you play chinese
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes, first four moves usually no mistakes XD
Ephidel [1k\]: you know why chinese?
]
;W[mp]WL[1791.824]
;B[po]BL[1755.961]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Sorry for all the excitement!
]
;W[jp]WL[1780.789]C[Tyro [5k?\]: If I can get to beta I will be very happy :D.
hailthorn [7k\]: lol
Tyro [5k?\]: And Stakor is in my way...
Tyro [5k?\]: Andn I like low chinese :D
Ephidel [1k\]: you know
]
(;B[fc]BL[1743.814]C[hailthorn [7k\]: Darn that Stakor
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!
]
;W[hc]WL[1770.199]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I know low chinese
]
;B[cc]BL[1722.125]
;W[dc]WL[1767.281]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I know!
Tyro [5k?\]: But I must thank him
Tyro [5k?\]: He has helped me a lot
]
;B[cd]BL[1711.204]C[hailthorn [7k\]: lol and he's technically my boss come to think of it. <<;;
Tyro [5k?\]: Don't be jealous!
]
;W[de]WL[1749.58]
;B[db]BL[1703.739]
;W[eb]WL[1745.463]
;B[cb]BL[1701.668]
;W[ec]WL[1744.653]
;B[cf]BL[1699.38]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ok fine
]
;W[nc]WL[1738.036]C[Tyro [5k?\]: The ASR league has heped me get much stronger!  I so I must thank him :D
hailthorn [7k\]: Same
]
(;B[nd]BL[1657.489]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought "approach corner before enclosing start point corner"
Ephidel [1k\]: so this move is not good
Ephidel [1k\]: your move is ok too
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes... I was not sure of where else to go :(
Ephidel [1k\]: but this move
Ephidel [1k\]: just
Ephidel [1k\]: forget this move
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
Ephidel [1k\]: never play this move ever
Tyro [5k?\]: But...
Tyro [5k?\]: I want the top
Ephidel [1k\]: hahaha
Tyro [5k?\]: I mean right
Tyro [5k?\]: I mean right! XD
Ephidel [1k\]: there are better ways to get the right
Ephidel [1k\]: when you play here
Ephidel [1k\]: the reason it's not good 
rats [2k\]: can't kill any move that appears inbetween m17 and h17
Ephidel [1k\]: so just
Ephidel [1k\]: forget this move
Ephidel [1k\]: don't strengthen him
Ephidel [1k\]: don't play this move
Tyro [5k?\]: be secure
azazil [3d\]: o16 bad
Ephidel [1k\]: is one of the main things
Tyro [5k?\]: And don't kill aji.
Ephidel [1k\]: yes we've gone over it
azazil [3d\]: its a handicap move
azazil [3d\]: sorry :))
Ephidel [1k\]: just recapping
]
(;W[pb]WL[1732.103]C[Ephidel [1k\]: well
Ephidel [1k\]: you get lucky with this move
Ephidel [1k\]: since this is bad shape for w
Tyro [5k?\]: Actually count points...
]
(;B[md]BL[1644.148]C[Ephidel [1k\]: still fine though
Ephidel [1k\]: no major mistake
]
;W[qd]WL[1728.758]
;B[qe]BL[1640.35]
;W[qc]WL[1724.179]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Tyro [5k?\]: I should have waited I think
Tyro [5k?\]: Or s15
Ephidel [1k\]: well
]
(;B[oc]BL[1603.193]C[Tyro [5k?\]: This was bad!
Ephidel [1k\]: if you choose this way
]
;W[re]WL[1688.828]
(;B[qf]BL[1589.323]
;W[rf]WL[1680.878]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Hello!
Ephidel [1k\]: hi
Tyro [5k?\]: Would you like to review?
Tyro [5k?\]: I .. made many mistakes :D
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: this is a game you played
Tyro [5k?\]: I can find a few but I'm not sure what to do instead XD
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: can i see control?
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes, a game I just played :D
Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ephidel [1k\]: so i figured it out
Ephidel [1k\]: don't compromise your strength
Ephidel [1k\]: in the name of points
Ephidel [1k\]: at least in the first 50 moves
]
(;B[rg]BL[1581.842]C[Ephidel [1k\]: here you have cuts
Tyro [5k?\]: Yeah :(
Ephidel [1k\]: and it doesn't defend the right side anyway
]
(;W[qg]WL[1679.442]
;B[rh]BL[1576.769]
;W[pg]WL[1668.84]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Okay... it's one of the few joseki I know though XD
]
;B[of]BL[1565.068]
;W[ri]WL[1667.083]
;B[qh]BL[1554.83]
;W[ph]WL[1656.709]
;B[qi]BL[1552.127]
;W[cm]WL[1646.556]C[Ephidel [1k\]: well that turned out well for you
Ephidel [1k\]: lol
Tyro [5k?\]: Hello Murrmurr.
Tyro [5k?\]: I think I've seen you before
]
(;B[cq]BL[1486.035]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ok, invasion is possible
Ephidel [1k\]: 3-3 is seldom a bad invasion
Ephidel [1k\]: as far as invasions go
Ephidel [1k\]: so you did well
Tyro [5k?\]: I try and read it out usually XD
]
;W[dq]WL[1636.36]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Until I handled this wrong :D
Tyro [5k?\]: And then white did not play it!
]
;B[cp]BL[1483.379]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Yes, I just learnt this joseki yesterday!
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
]
;W[co]WL[1635.726]
;B[bo]BL[1481.88]
(;W[cn]WL[1635.243]C[Tyro [5k?\]: 33 is seldom bad?
Ephidel [1k\]: seldom bad as an invasion
Tyro [5k?\]: But... there isn't a better way to help white less?
Ephidel [1k\]: well
Tyro [5k?\]: It was highly amusing.
Ephidel [1k\]: that's fine
Muttley [2k\]: D3 instead of C3 we also covered, actually
Ephidel [1k\]: you played well
]
;B[dr]BL[1472.46]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I was thinking for a long time here
Tyro [5k?\]: Where to invade
]
;W[er]WL[1633.594]C[Muttley [2k\]: which I think might be better here
]
;B[cr]BL[1470.987]C[Muttley [2k\]: :)
]
(;W[eo]WL[1631.532]TR[fr]C[Tyro [5k?\]: And I think straight into the corner was wrong
Ephidel [1k\]: its' fine
Tyro [5k?\]: As it helps white secure their moyo
Ephidel [1k\]: i mean
Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ojisama [-\]: oh our favourite admin =)
Ephidel [1k\]: so this way
rats [2k\]: f3 is the shape for white
Ephidel [1k\]: there is still aji with the clamp
Muttley [2k\]: Ojisama, you're barred.
rats [2k\]: not e5
Ephidel [1k\]: correct
Ojisama [-\]: °_°
Ephidel [1k\]: when w plays here
Ephidel [1k\]: it means you have some aji to work with
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!  We covered this invasion yesterday, that's why I was so comfortable playing it XD.
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah so when w plays here
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: so it's really good if you have both an invasion
Muttley [2k\]: white is about 20-30 behind here imho
Ephidel [1k\]: and a reduction
Tyro [5k?\]: Here!  I was very confused as the the "big point" though
Tyro [5k?\]: Wait white is behind?
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought white had better potential moyo.
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah, because bottom is zero points
Tyro [5k?\]: I really need to count :(
Ephidel [1k\]: still
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Ephidel [1k\]: since you have both an invasion
Ephidel [1k\]: and a reduction
Ephidel [1k\]: it's different if you have two invasions
Ephidel [1k\]: since one invasion point usually fixes the other
Ephidel [1k\]: know the clamp aji at f2
Ephidel [1k\]: is a big thing
]
(;B[jc]BL[1432.906]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I will try not to next game XD
Ephidel [1k\]: this does threaten w
]
;W[he]WL[1627.228]TR[cp]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Also, p18 is sente :D
Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
Ephidel [1k\]: is it?
Ephidel [1k\]: i do'nt know
azazil [3d\]: oh really?
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes :D
Ephidel [1k\]: but that shape
Ephidel [1k\]: is like L+2
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes.
Ephidel [1k\]: so i would guess it is alive
azazil [3d\]: yeah, it does look like L+2
Tyro [5k?\]: I have done one pass of the life and death book.
Ephidel [1k\]: just like you know this shape is alive
Tyro [5k?\]: I must do another for solidification :D
Ephidel [1k\]: since it is L+2 group
azazil [3d\]: glad someone is familiar with proper english terminology
azazil [3d\]: but giving white b6 in sente hurts
Tyro [5k?\]: My mistake was thinking ti was an urgen move XD
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
azazil [3d\]: I thought the proverb had a copper center, but I guess with the price of copper going up these days thats bad reasoning
Ephidel [1k\]: you must think if white will play there next
Ephidel [1k\]: then it is urgent
Tyro [5k?\]: Because my brain did the temp "yo, you really need to kill those stones
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Tyro [5k?\]: "Otherwise they might bite you later"
Ephidel [1k\]: but i mean
]
(;B[ni]BL[1396.295]C[Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
Tyro [5k?\]: Small!
Ephidel [1k\]: so i don't like thisi move as much
Ephidel [1k\]: just because
Tyro [5k?\]: I think this is really bad right?
Ephidel [1k\]: you can't kill it completely
Tyro [5k?\]: Because it's a "half move"
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Tyro [5k?\]: Oh this kills it
Muttley [2k\]: K17 looks bad
Tyro [5k?\]: But... It's not taking much territory
Ephidel [1k\]: so i mean
Ephidel [1k\]: anyway
Tyro [5k?\]: So I will try to make less moves like this
Ephidel [1k\]: usually we avoid the center moves til later
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
Tyro [5k?\]: That are basically six points
Tyro [5k?\]: And not really making a moyo
Tyro [5k?\]: :(
azazil [3d\]: ..... and you're not playing b6 why again?
Tyro [5k?\]: B6?
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah w should play b6
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought it was small?
Ephidel [1k\]: if b doesn't
azazil [3d\]: its white sente
Ephidel [1k\]: well
Ephidel [1k\]: the reason we do it
Ephidel [1k\]: is
azazil [3d\]: so its reverse sente
azazil [3d\]: and its big
Ephidel [1k\]: just remember
Ephidel [1k\]: corners are golden
Ephidel [1k\]: sides are silver
Ephidel [1k\]: center is grass
Ephidel [1k\]: ^^
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: and finally
Ephidel [1k\]: don't play non urgent small moves
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Ephidel [1k\]: ^^
]
;W[mm]WL[1606.144]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ephidel [1k\]: so here is a very very obvious play by white
Tyro [5k?\]: Now I was really worried!
Tyro [5k?\]: I make many mistakes :D
azazil [3d\]: I mean I like w n7
Tyro [5k?\]: Hailthorn is not 7k :D
azazil [3d\]: aah
azazil [3d\]: kk
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Tyro [5k?\]: I am the 7k :D
Ephidel [1k\]: you're playing reasonbly well so far
Ephidel [1k\]: only major mistake is o11
Ephidel [1k\]: i think
Tyro [5k?\]: Wait for it...
Tyro [5k?\]: And can build a moyo!
Tyro [5k?\]: And still does not protect corner :D
azazil [3d\]: but it is too damaging
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
]
(;B[om]BL[1386.138]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: this is not good
azazil [3d\]: I like it, I thought a 7k would save his 3 stones for no reason
Tyro [5k?\]: Indeed!
Ephidel [1k\]: this is called following your opponent
Tyro [5k?\]: Wait for it... :D
Tyro [5k?\]: Understood!
azazil [3d\]: w e1 would be an overplay here I think
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah probably
azazil [3d\]: I think w would have to let you connect under
Ephidel [1k\]: but
Ephidel [1k\]: don't make this kind of move
Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
Ephidel [1k\]: how to say this..
azazil [3d\]: after all, if you don't play here at all what will white do?
Tyro [5k?\]: it's bad?
Ephidel [1k\]: it's really one dimensional
Ephidel [1k\]: i guess
azazil [3d\]: play r7?
Ephidel [1k\]: this
Ephidel [1k\]: is probably like 6 points
Tyro [5k?\]: Well, now we know I'm good at securing six points ^^.
Ephidel [1k\]: or some number that is not super important
azazil [3d\]: if white r7 white might live small
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Ephidel [1k\]: & don't follow your opponent
Ephidel [1k\]: that's pretty much it
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay :D
Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ephidel [1k\]: i better log off kgs
Tyro [5k?\]: Thank you so much!
Ephidel [1k\]: so
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: best of luck in future games
Tyro [5k?\]: I will save and run away :D
Tyro [5k?\]: Next time I will try to be really 5k :D
Ephidel [1k\]: you played fairly well
Ephidel [1k\]: you know, most differences between ranks
]
;W[nk]WL[1604.359]
;B[oj]BL[1373.881]C[Ephidel [1k\]: yeah see this is not so good
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Ephidel [1k\]: because w gets all kinds of forcing moves
]
;W[qp]WL[1602.642]C[Tyro [5k?\]: So just protect solidly, get ready to invade
]
;B[pp]BL[1367.24]
;W[qo]WL[1601.129]TR[om][pm]C[Ephidel [1k\]: very funny
Ephidel [1k\]: white is trying to do 2 things at once
Tyro [5k?\]: I did not know how to punish!
Ephidel [1k\]: get outside
Tyro [5k?\]: I just did standard :(
Ephidel [1k\]: but then get inside
azazil [3d\]: if p7 @ q7 that would help more
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
azazil [3d\]: but white is being unreasonable
Ephidel [1k\]: 5th line is pretty insecure
azazil [3d\]: w must r3 instead if he plays this way
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
azazil [3d\]: doesn't matter what moves
Ephidel [1k\]: basically
Tyro [5k?\]: I was just playing without thinking :(
Ephidel [1k\]: you need to take away the base
Tyro [5k?\]: Becasue corner invasion
Ephidel [1k\]: sometimes
Ephidel [1k\]: if youare strong
]
(;B[qn]BL[1362.009]C[azazil [3d\]: yes
Tyro [5k?\]: I understand.
Ephidel [1k\]: but here is too easy for white
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Ephidel [1k\]: and makes b look silly
Tyro [5k?\]: White lives 
]
;W[rn]WL[1599.769]C[azazil [3d\]: oh no :)
Tyro [5k?\]: So I should have r3?
]
;B[qm]BL[1359.153]
;W[rm]WL[1597.943]
(;B[rl]BL[1355.353]
;W[qq]WL[1596.488]C[Ephidel [1k\]: sigh
]
;B[qr]BL[1348.846]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I know I need to improve my reading :D
]
;W[rr]WL[1595.074]C[azazil [3d\]: w s7 was a mistake I think
]
;B[pr]BL[1334.661]C[azazil [3d\]: w was greedy
Ephidel [1k\]: probably
]
;W[rs]WL[1464.45]TR[nk][mm]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ok so he lives 
Tyro [5k?\]: I'm working on it ^^
azazil [3d\]: (good point, I get too bogged down in details when I review kyu games)
Tyro [5k?\]: Soon I will really be 5k
Ephidel [1k\]: but you do have strength
Ephidel [1k\]: what was white just trying to d
Ephidel [1k\]: do*
Ephidel [1k\]: before he invaded randomly
Tyro [5k?\]: I misuse my strength :D
Tyro [5k?\]: He was trying to take away points
Ephidel [1k\]: like a tyrant
Ephidel [1k\]: hint* :P
Tyro [5k?\]: H ewas worried I'd have three corners, one of which is big
azazil [3d\]: you got robbed, no question
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: tactically
Ephidel [1k\]: it's a loss
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
Tyro [5k?\]: It gets worse...
Ephidel [1k\]: but strategically speaking
Ephidel [1k\]: what was w trying to do
Ephidel [1k\]: before
Ephidel [1k\]: before he invaded
Tyro [5k?\]: I think he just wanted the corner.
Ephidel [1k\]: protip: look at the triangle stones
Ephidel [1k\]: what is w strategy
Ephidel [1k\]: on this board?
Tyro [5k?\]: Moyo!
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Ephidel [1k\]: the last big area
Ephidel [1k\]: is the center
Ephidel [1k\]: in fact
Ephidel [1k\]: you can rob white better than he robbed you
Ephidel [1k\]: i feel like
Ephidel [1k\]: preventing white potential now
Ephidel [1k\]: is important
Ephidel [1k\]: and hey
Ephidel [1k\]: since you have a wall
Ephidel [1k\]: you can
Tyro [5k?\]: I try m3
Tyro [5k?\]: I have a lot of trouble with that.
]
(;B[df]BL[1231.976]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
Ephidel [1k\]: you might goad white into responding to you
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay let me explain
Ephidel [1k\]: ok explain
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought for a long tme here
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought (through misread) that this was big!
azazil [3d\]: what is w's real rank btw?
Tyro [5k?\]: That I coudl attack those stones!
Tyro [5k?\]: But I'm not sure
Ephidel [1k\]: it's true you can do something
Tyro [5k?\]: Oh he might be 7k
Tyro [5k?\]: I don't know
Ephidel [1k\]: one thing
Ephidel [1k\]: is this move is pretty far away
Ephidel [1k\]: from the moyo
]
;W[li]WL[1448.036]C[Ephidel [1k\]: or you might not
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
]
(;B[fd]BL[1192.545]
;W[fe]WL[1441.423]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Unless it's necessary
]
;B[ee]BL[1185.135]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: so this probably doesn't look good
Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
]
;W[ed]WL[1433.01]
;B[ef]BL[1183.161]C[azazil [3d\]: well, if you try to read 40 moves out its probably going to be wrong is my point
Tyro [5k?\]: I knew I could not capture
]
;W[fb]WL[1431.755]
;B[ge]BL[1141.559]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I was hoping to get someting facing hte cneter
Ephidel [1k\]: i guess i would have to say
Ephidel [1k\]: keep your mind open
Ephidel [1k\]: about possibilites
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: especially in a fight
Ephidel [1k\]: with stones touching each other
]
;W[ff]WL[1425.452]C[Ephidel [1k\]: i would
Tyro [5k?\]: teach me :D
Ephidel [1k\]: i think maybe you gave up too fast?
]
(;B[fg]BL[1140.111]C[Ephidel [1k\]: oh
Ephidel [1k\]: huh
Tyro [5k?\]: So I coudl invade more easily
Ephidel [1k\]: you took 1 second to play this move
Tyro [5k?\]: Nah, I just thought my idea was good XD
azazil [3d\]: *nod*
Tyro [5k?\]: Oh that's becasue I read it out
Tyro [5k?\]: Before
]
;W[gf]WL[1424.003]
;B[gg]BL[1138.59]C[Tyro [5k?\]: When I played D14
Ephidel [1k\]: that's a major issue
]
;W[hf]WL[1422.931]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I read this stuff out
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: now white is alive though
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Tyro [5k?\]: Your way is much better
Ephidel [1k\]: so that wall is your only thing you got
]
;B[lq]BL[1090.886]C[Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
]
;W[mq]WL[1416.572]
;B[mr]BL[1085.091]
(;W[kr]WL[1411.93]C[Ephidel [1k\]: oh
Tyro [5k?\]: Pretyt safe though
Ephidel [1k\]: but since in the peep
]
;B[lr]BL[1068.468]C[Ephidel [1k\]: good for you
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Tyro [5k?\]: Here my thought were take away the bottom, then take away the top
Ephidel [1k\]: you connect
Tyro [5k?\]: Yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: probably in sente
Tyro [5k?\]: Since m2 there is also sente
Tyro [5k?\]: Since he has to connect
]
;W[lp]WL[1390.989]
(;B[hq]BL[1038.881]C[Tyro [5k?\]: And then almost alive with all that aji around
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
]
;W[kq]WL[1378.644]C[Ephidel [1k\]: if you respond to this
]
;B[nr]BL[1030.39]C[Ephidel [1k\]: w gets to fix shape in sente
]
;W[ho]WL[1377.186]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Yep :(
Tyro [5k?\]: Because white can't fix everything
Ephidel [1k\]: depends on what you want
]
(;B[lk]BL[988.217]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Tyro [5k?\]: This move!
Tyro [5k?\]: Worse move :D
Tyro [5k?\]: Very ashamed
Ephidel [1k\]: so now you give up and move somewhere else
Ephidel [1k\]: it's not terrible
Ephidel [1k\]: it's a forcing move
Tyro [5k?\]: It asks for n10
Tyro [5k?\]: I should have just played n10
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Tyro [5k?\]: N10 is way better
Ephidel [1k\]: well not necessarily
Ephidel [1k\]: but if you do this
Tyro [5k?\]: I'm still liking this more XD
]
;W[mj]WL[1371.048]C[Ephidel [1k\]: w is forced to play here
]
(;B[ml]BL[986.07]C[Tyro [5k?\]: This I misread :D
Ephidel [1k\]: mm don'ttake own liberties
]
;W[nl]WL[1369.02]
;B[ik]BL[948.758]C[Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ephidel [1k\]: still fine
]
;W[hi]WL[1215.778]
;B[ji]BL[920.339]
;W[jh]WL[1164.21]
;B[ii]BL[878.531]
;W[hj]WL[1147.945]
;B[hk]BL[871.416]
;W[fj]WL[1138.59]
;B[ih]BL[839.298]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you break though white shape
Ephidel [1k\]: can't be a loss
]
;W[eh]WL[1109.617]
;B[eg]BL[794.7]
;W[ch]WL[1107.246]
;B[mh]BL[661.806]C[Ephidel [1k\]: what is this move?
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
Ephidel [1k\]: kinda away from the action dude
Tyro [5k?\]: Protecting things
Tyro [5k?\]: Because I thought I was alive in the middle!
Ephidel [1k\]: mm
Ephidel [1k\]: i guess it threatens cut more severely
Ephidel [1k\]: so
Ephidel [1k\]: imagine
Ephidel [1k\]: if you played a game
Ephidel [1k\]: where you didn't play slow moves
Tyro [5k?\]: Well here I thought N12 was just grabbing more territory
Ephidel [1k\]: and any sente
Ephidel [1k\]: you really got
Ephidel [1k\]: taking sente, finding big points
Ephidel [1k\]: that's a lot
]
;W[gl]WL[1075.444]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: good reading
Tyro [5k?\]: It was a really big mistake :(
Tyro [5k?\]: And bloody Hail saw it too :(
Ephidel [1k\]: ok so n12 is pretty not good then
]
(;B[io]BL[639.652]
;W[ip]WL[1067.951]
;B[kk]BL[599.419]
;W[nm]WL[1061.083]
;B[ko]BL[568.837]
;W[kp]WL[809.295]
;B[ob]BL[562.468]
;W[bg]WL[670.939]
(;B[rb]BL[555.426]C[Ephidel [1k\]: duhh
]
;W[rc]WL[660.95]C[Tyro [5k?\]: But if he ignores, I have to try and kill
Ephidel [1k\]: oh haha
]
;B[qb]BL[550.916]
;W[pc]WL[624.29]C[Tyro [5k?\]: And luckily he misrad like me!
Tyro [5k?\]: And I read out the cut
Ephidel [1k\]: but...
Tyro [5k?\]: I can still live with everything
]
;B[pa]BL[548.607]
;W[pe]WL[620.75]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I just have to be careful
]
;B[pf]BL[530.633]C[Ephidel [1k\]: i see
]
;W[od]WL[618.198]
;B[oe]BL[521.11]
;W[nb]WL[601.103]
;B[pd]BL[515.268]C[Ephidel [1k\]: loooool
Ephidel [1k\]: looooool
Tyro [5k?\]: Even if he connected...
Ephidel [1k\]: ok so you kill him accidentally
Tyro [5k?\]: I had a plan!
Tyro [5k?\]: Not accidentally
Tyro [5k?\]: I had it read out...
Ephidel [1k\]: hhaaha
Ephidel [1k\]: i mean
Tyro [5k?\]: I just missed the whole white responds in one different way XD
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Ephidel [1k\]: so you read the bad variation for white
Tyro [5k?\]: (Aka, my reading sucks, oh please oh please help meee XD)
Ephidel [1k\]: and it was plyed
Ephidel [1k\]: lol
Tyro [5k?\]: Well I read about four differtent variation.
Tyro [5k?\]: I disregarded one tdue to a lib misread
]
;W[hg]WL[591.63]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Anyway, this is who I won.
Ephidel [1k\]: well w/e
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought I swould lose here
]
;B[bf]BL[499.723]
;W[jg]WL[582.737]
;B[hh]BL[493.351]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Hail, will you have time fater this to review?  We neeeeed to review this game.
Tyro [5k?\]: It's so interesting and confusing.
Tyro [5k?\]: I have no idea of where to go and stuff!
Tyro [5k?\]: Also, fater = after. Type :D
Tyro [5k?\]: *Typo
]
;W[gh]WL[393.848]
;B[gi]BL[488.61]
;W[fh]WL[391.165]
;B[gj]BL[483.949]C[Ephidel [1k\]: well you're probably alive now
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes
Tyro [5k?\]: I am
]
;W[gk]WL[372.918]
;B[ij]BL[482.102]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I read this out :D
Tyro [5k?\]: If he blocks my way out, eyes on the inside easy to make
]
;W[kj]WL[339.315]
;B[ki]BL[480.425]
;W[lj]WL[337.922]
;B[kh]BL[476.66]C[Ephidel [1k\]: right
Ephidel [1k\]: thisis too much for white to handle
]
;W[lh]WL[336.454]
;B[kg]BL[473.844]
;W[lg]WL[335.538]
;B[kf]BL[462.404]
;W[mg]WL[333.631]
;B[ng]BL[447.745]
;W[ce]WL[215.348]
;B[be]BL[444.037]C[Ephidel [1k\]: w is too behind now probably
Tyro [5k?\]: White resigns here
Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ephidel [1k\]: so main things...
])
(;B[bf]C[Ephidel [1k\]: i feel like
Ephidel [1k\]: you want to not get cut
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
]))
(;B[nm]C[Ephidel [1k\]: didn't want to try this?
Ephidel [1k\]: ^^
Tyro [5k?\]: Nooo can't
Tyro [5k?\]: Because
Tyro [5k?\]: White atari
Tyro [5k?\]: And then takes all
Ephidel [1k\]: oh right
]))
(;B[jk]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and you can run 
]))
(;B[mj]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]
;W[kk]C[Ephidel [1k\]: maybe white will play this way
]))
(;B[fr]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: make sure to get this aji first
Ephidel [1k\]: it's just huge aji
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Ephidel [1k\]: when white doesn't fix the shape
Tyro [5k?\]: I will remember htis :D
])
(;B[kq]C[Ephidel [1k\]: means you should have pushed first
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!
Ephidel [1k\]: since if w backs off
]
(;W[jr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you have liberties
])
(;W[jq]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Ephidel [1k\]: and if here
]
;B[jr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: then that's just big
])))
(;W[nr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: w of course
Ephidel [1k\]: would want to cut you
Tyro [5k?\]: I was expecting this
Ephidel [1k\]: then you're on your own
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
]))
(;B[gf]
;W[fg]C[Tyro [5k?\]: At my level, I think this is a good strat :(
]
;B[gd]C[Ephidel [1k\]: make a fight
azazil [3d\]: naturally
Tyro [5k?\]: What
Tyro [5k?\]: That's cool
Tyro [5k?\]: Wow
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
azazil [3d\]: you gotta fight here
Ephidel [1k\]: since now a bunch of weak groups all around
Ephidel [1k\]: and it's even better than having a wall
Tyro [5k?\]: How do you see these things. :(
azazil [3d\]: white doesn't want to give up the stones, but if he fights center gets hurts
Ephidel [1k\]: it's as azazil says
azazil [3d\]: he's got mad skillz
]))
(;B[fb]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I'm actually 6 or 7k :D
Ephidel [1k\]: you can take away the base
]
;W[fd]
;B[ea]C[Ephidel [1k\]: like so
Ephidel [1k\]: now w is baseless
Ephidel [1k\]: and will eventually have to run
Ephidel [1k\]: so you do have something here for sure
Tyro [5k?\]: But most of us in the ASR league have rank issues, because we play a lot of free games.
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: one cool thing about
Ephidel [1k\]: your opponent having a weak group
Ephidel [1k\]: is that moyos become twice as hard to handle
Ephidel [1k\]: since if you run a weak group through a moyo
Ephidel [1k\]: there's no moyo
Ephidel [1k\]: imagine
]
;W[dj]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!
Ephidel [1k\]: so like
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno
Tyro [5k?\]: I understand this :D
Ephidel [1k\]: white builds a moyo
]
;B[je]C[Ephidel [1k\]: but if you even do this
]
;W[hg]TR[fh][hi][fj][hk]C[Tyro [5k?\]: That's why I thought D14 was good... Threatens those stones, and also is high facing the moyo, so something an invasion/reduction can run too!
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno specifically
Ephidel [1k\]: but
Tyro [5k?\]: But it's too small :(
Ephidel [1k\]: if you do something liek that
Ephidel [1k\]: jump jump jump
Ephidel [1k\]: you've already gotten in
Ephidel [1k\]: hmm
Ephidel [1k\]: inthis case specifically i don't know
]))
(;B[fr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: so this aji here
Ephidel [1k\]: is key
azazil [3d\]: Before you invade, its good to make exchanges that will reduce their influence
azazil [3d\]: If white had not played those 2 stones before the invasion
Tyro [5k?\]: Say again?
azazil [3d\]: would you answer like you did now?
Tyro [5k?\]: Ah
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Tyro [5k?\]: I think I understand.
Ephidel [1k\]: so since white didn't fix the shape
Ephidel [1k\]: this clamp aji is a lot
Ephidel [1k\]: so you get a free exchange here
Ephidel [1k\]: where to invade
Tyro [5k?\]: Even when I try and read things out...
Ephidel [1k\]: always depends
Tyro [5k?\]: I understand stuff like f2
Ephidel [1k\]: well
])
(;B[lp]C[Ephidel [1k\]: probably get away with stuff like this
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
azazil [3d\]: uhhh gl
Tyro [5k?\]: I mess it up...
])
(;B[kq]C[Ephidel [1k\]: or like
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno
])
(;B[mr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: or just slide
Ephidel [1k\]: under cut
Tyro [5k?\]: Hey, how do you guys know where to invade?
])
(;B[ip]C[Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno
Tyro [5k?\]: But ... in a big area like k3 through n3... I would have no idea
Ephidel [1k\]: start with a contact play maybe?
Ephidel [1k\]: it's hard to read
Ephidel [1k\]: there are many possibilites
Tyro [5k?\]: I guess I'll just work on my reading. 
Ephidel [1k\]: but if you are in opp's sphere of influence
Ephidel [1k\]: then contact play usually helps
Ephidel [1k\]: you know
Tyro [5k?\]: I don't exactly understand that
Tyro [5k?\]: But I know the saying
Ephidel [1k\]: one of my friends said
Tyro [5k?\]: Don't touch when you're strong, touch when you're weak.
Ephidel [1k\]: that in order to become dan level
Ephidel [1k\]: all you need to do is read 3 moves ahead
Ephidel [1k\]: 3
Ephidel [1k\]: that's it
Ephidel [1k\]: lol
Ephidel [1k\]: no like, 20 move sequences
Tyro [5k?\]: Probably is, how wide.
Ephidel [1k\]: just 3 moves
azazil [3d\]: Jose Capablance, the great Cuban chess player, was once asked how many moves he considered,
azazil [3d\]: He said "Just one - but its always the right move"
Ephidel [1k\]: as you get better, you narrow the field of possibilities
Ephidel [1k\]: looool
Ephidel [1k\]: what a troll
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Ephidel [1k\]: because when you're lower rank
Ephidel [1k\]: you start reading random stuff
Ephidel [1k\]: only 4 options there
]
(;W[gm]C[Ephidel [1k\]: like
Ephidel [1k\]: what if w plays here now?
Ephidel [1k\]: or w/e
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep
Ephidel [1k\]: but really there' like, maybe 4 options
Tyro [5k?\]: That's the kind of stuff I see XD
])
(;W[jo]C[Ephidel [1k\]: like
Ephidel [1k\]: is white gonna respond?
Ephidel [1k\]: to the contact play?
])
(;W[iq])
(;W[jq]C[azazil [3d\]: Play thoughtful games, but don't agonize over deep reading for 30 minutes at your level :)
])
(;W[io])))
(;B[rq]C[azazil [3d\]: yes
Ephidel [1k\]: you might be able to do something
Ephidel [1k\]: and kill it
Ephidel [1k\]: but
Ephidel [1k\]: killing invasions
Ephidel [1k\]: is a very tactical thing
Ephidel [1k\]: let's focus more on strategery
Ephidel [1k\]: ^^
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!
]))
(;B[qq]C[Ephidel [1k\]: yeah it's hard to see how w lives here
Tyro [5k?\]: I guess I can sse how these are basically baseless stones
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
azazil [3d\]: too small a space
azazil [3d\]: (you gotta be thick for this way)
Tyro [5k?\]: Becasue I have a good surrounding
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes
])
(;B[rn]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you can play things like this even
Ephidel [1k\]: and kill invasions like 3-3
Ephidel [1k\]: because w/o 2nd line
Ephidel [1k\]: stones don't have eyes
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes
]))
(;B[fr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: i think
Tyro [5k?\]: I basically won becasue white made a mistake :(
Ephidel [1k\]: it's time to invade
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
azazil [3d\]: "probe" please ;)
Ephidel [1k\]: since this way
Tyro [5k?\]: Timing is hard. :(
Ephidel [1k\]: hha
Ephidel [1k\]: well you should have this aji around
azazil [3d\]: ya
]
(;W[es]C[Ephidel [1k\]: we went over
Ephidel [1k\]: what are the possibilites
Ephidel [1k\]: if w decends
azazil [3d\]: kkk
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes
]
;B[fp]
;W[eq]
;B[hp]C[Ephidel [1k\]: invasion too easy
])
(;W[eq]
;B[es]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and if not
Tyro [5k?\]: I remember be liiight
Ephidel [1k\]: you can always connect underneath
Tyro [5k?\]: Like a beautiful butterfly.
Ephidel [1k\]: which ruins a lot of points
Ephidel [1k\]: for white
Ephidel [1k\]: like
Ephidel [1k\]: a lot of points
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
Tyro [5k?\]: I can take all the base away
Tyro [5k?\]: From here and from the right
]))
(;B[]
;W[pm]C[Ephidel [1k\]: right this is the move w can do
]
;B[qm]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and you can defend points still
azazil [3d\]: q7 bad shape :) makes easy for black to keep
Ephidel [1k\]: like this
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Ephidel [1k\]: so
Ephidel [1k\]: the difference between this
Ephidel [1k\]: and
]))
(;B[ob]C[Ephidel [1k\]: this move is probably as large
Ephidel [1k\]: and w won't run out
Ephidel [1k\]: with that group any time soon
Ephidel [1k\]: so you don't need to kill it
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
rats [2k\]: if a moyo appears in the center for black, then q13 can be used to destroy it
Tyro [5k?\]: Or I coudl be wrong 
Tyro [5k?\]: Shame :(
Ephidel [1k\]: i think w is alive..
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought P18 sente
Tyro [5k?\]: Because s18
azazil [3d\]: suppose they ignore
]
;W[]C[azazil [3d\]: then r18
]
;B[rb]C[Tyro [5k?\]: But probably wrong :(
]
;W[qb]C[Tyro [5k?\]: S17?
Ephidel [1k\]: w shape is like L+2 group
]
;B[rc]
;W[rd]C[Ephidel [1k\]: hmmm
Tyro [5k?\]: And then hanite I thought XD
Tyro [5k?\]: But maybe wrong :(
]
;B[sf]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I left it for a long time though!
azazil [3d\]: s19 is the vital point
]
;W[ra]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I spent about half the game trying to read it out :(
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Tyro [5k?\]: Ah
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes
])
(;B[nq]
;W[bn]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Oh
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: w can play here in sente
]
;B[bp]C[rats [2k\]: the left side is small for white
Ephidel [1k\]: but yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: w will ignore probably
azazil [3d\]: of course you can live this way
])
(;B[bn]C[Ephidel [1k\]: true
Ephidel [1k\]: but w will ignore
Tyro [5k?\]: I just thought white would ignore B6, and then I'd lose sente (which of course I do anyway).
]
;W[fq]C[azazil [3d\]: sure white ignores
Ephidel [1k\]: and like
Ephidel [1k\]: fix this or seomthing
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno
Ephidel [1k\]: i feel like
rats [2k\]: w will ignore b6, because left side is small
])
(;B[fr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: b would rather do this
Ephidel [1k\]: than play b6
rats [2k\]: no possibility to make any points there for w
azazil [3d\]: f2 is good moral fiber
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno, you're 3d so
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Tyro [5k?\]: Good moral fiber?
Ephidel [1k\]: lol
Ephidel [1k\]: fighting spirit maybe?
azazil [3d\]: well, I think the problem with the corner was however black invaded there
azazil [3d\]: I agree b6 now is painful
azazil [3d\]: so don't get into this situation tyro :)
Ephidel [1k\]: i think it's ok for b
])
(;B[or]
;W[nh]C[azazil [3d\]: why do you need to kill those 3?
Ephidel [1k\]: w probably won't do this
azazil [3d\]: is the top strong?
Ephidel [1k\]: so you don't need to kill it
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep!
azazil [3d\]: is the right side strong?
Tyro [5k?\]: I knew, right after making it, it was bad XD
]))
(;B[fr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: basically
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ojisama [-\]: may i add something?
Muttley [2k\]: Ephidel, can I just ask?
Ephidel [1k\]: oh yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: go ahead
Ephidel [1k\]: what's up?
Muttley [2k\]: you first O
Ojisama [-\]: just white didn't play the proper joseki
Ephidel [1k\]: you shoudl know that you have this clamp aji
]
;W[es]C[Ephidel [1k\]: if w descends
Ephidel [1k\]: you have loads of options
]
;B[fp]TR[eq]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you can jump here
Ephidel [1k\]: threatening to cut
Tyro [5k?\]: Ah
]
;W[eq]
;B[hp]TR[mr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and lightly make shape
Ephidel [1k\]: this way is very annoying for white
Ephidel [1k\]: since b made sabaki so easily
Ephidel [1k\]: what's even worse is
Ephidel [1k\]: b still can slide
Tyro [5k?\]: Yeah
Tyro [5k?\]: I killed all that aji. :(
]))
(;W[fq]C[rats [2k\]: oh, this was the game variation, sorry
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Ephidel [1k\]: this is the shape
]))
(;W[bn]C[Ojisama [-\]: yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: you're referring to this?
]
;B[do]
;W[cn]
;B[dr]C[Ojisama [-\]: yep
]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[fq]
;B[bp]
;W[eo]C[Ojisama [-\]: just so he knows the variation
Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Ephidel [1k\]: i mean
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, we've done this one a few times
Ephidel [1k\]: backing off is ok for w too
]))
(;B[er]C[Ephidel [1k\]: maybe something weird
Ephidel [1k\]: i dunno
Ephidel [1k\]: i don't know the seuqnce
Ephidel [1k\]: lol
Tyro [5k?\]: So I can write it down/memorize it?
Ephidel [1k\]: i just play it
Tyro [5k?\]: Oh 
Tyro [5k?\]: XD
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Ephidel [1k\]: things always change in games
Ephidel [1k\]: so that's why you can't just memorize things
rats [2k\]: there is probably more than 8 variations
Ephidel [1k\]: just play things out
rats [2k\]: with the d3 contact
Ephidel [1k\]: always remember what your plan is
Ephidel [1k\]: that way you do'nt have to memorize things
Ephidel [1k\]: and you can just go with the flow
Ephidel [1k\]: much better no?
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!
Ephidel [1k\]: ok
Tyro [5k?\]: Here
Ephidel [1k\]: so you can just recognize that there are different invasion points
Tyro [5k?\]: I would see that white can push from either side
Tyro [5k?\]: And it's probably okay
Ephidel [1k\]: right
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes.
])
(;B[dr]C[Ephidel [1k\]: but
Ephidel [1k\]: it doesn't really matter that much
Tyro [5k?\]: But I don't remember you Ojisama :D
murrmurr [5d\]: then i've been hiding poorly
Ephidel [1k\]: you could consider some alternatives
Ephidel [1k\]: this invasion appears sometimes
Tyro [5k?\]: ello Muttley!
Ephidel [1k\]: w chooses corner or side
Tyro [5k?\]: Nice to see you again.
])
(;B[dq]C[Ephidel [1k\]: so does this contact play
Ephidel [1k\]: since it makes the direction slightly more annoying for white
Tyro [5k?\]: Could  you show this sequence?
]))
(;W[rh]C[Ephidel [1k\]: since later
Tyro [5k?\]: I thought it was okay, since no q17
Ephidel [1k\]: w can clamp
Tyro [5k?\]: Yep
]))
(;B[qg]TR[jc][mj][cn]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: keep strong shape
Ephidel [1k\]: don't worry about 2nd line
Ephidel [1k\]: you have influence
Ephidel [1k\]: better to keep no lingering problems around
Ephidel [1k\]: so
Ephidel [1k\]: backing off is better
Ephidel [1k\]: you know
Ephidel [1k\]: you're defending like maybe 10 points at most
Ephidel [1k\]: when
Ephidel [1k\]: there's bigopen areas
Ephidel [1k\]: invasion points
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes
Ephidel [1k\]: center potential even
Tyro [5k?\]: I got tunnel vision :(
Ephidel [1k\]: so just keep strength
Ephidel [1k\]: no need to be greedy for points
Ephidel [1k\]: don't be greedy for points in the beginning
Ephidel [1k\]: you know i've seen so many times
Ephidel [1k\]: so
Ephidel [1k\]: similarly
Ephidel [1k\]: do'nt be greedy for 2nd line points
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: keep strong
]))
(;B[ob]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you kinda have to switch directions
Ephidel [1k\]: or else the exchange looks pretty bad for you
]))
(;B[pe]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Since s15 is better
Ephidel [1k\]: so if you make solid shape here
Ephidel [1k\]: this is still good for b
Ephidel [1k\]: since w is appropriately low
Ephidel [1k\]: and you have thickness
Tyro [5k?\]: Ah, okay.
Tyro [5k?\]: Simply connect
Ephidel [1k\]: and top side still messed up
Tyro [5k?\]: And I have a stone at R9!  So nice.
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
Ephidel [1k\]: good 
]))
(;B[mc]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you can actually
rats [2k\]: k16 i meant
Ephidel [1k\]: probably get away with this
Tyro [5k?\]: Lucky, but I'm too ... stupid to punish XD
])
(;B[oc]C[Ephidel [1k\]: even thsi vulgar move is ok
]
;W[ob]
;B[mc]
;W[nb]
(;B[ld]C[Ephidel [1k\]: since w is very very low
])
(;B[md]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and you broke the top side
])))
(;W[md]
;B[ne]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]C[Tyro [5k?\]: How is it only defensive?
rats [2k\]: hi
Tyro [5k?\]: Dont' I get the corner?
]
(;W[kd]C[Ephidel [1k\]: is because
Ephidel [1k\]: you strengthen white
Ephidel [1k\]: but you still haven't gained points yet
Ephidel [1k\]: it's only for a defensive shape
Tyro [5k?\]: Hello rats
Ephidel [1k\]: to make shape quickly
])
(;W[kc]C[Ephidel [1k\]: not really
]
;B[pf]C[Ephidel [1k\]: basically it helps white too much
Ephidel [1k\]: and that's not good
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: but once you do this
Ephidel [1k\]: no more invasion
Tyro [5k?\]: Ah
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Tyro [5k?\]: I did not know
Tyro [5k?\]: Thanks :D
]
(;W[qh]C[Ephidel [1k\]: because later white can do stuff like this
])
(;W[pg]C[Ephidel [1k\]: or here
]))))
(;B[pf]TR[eb][ec][fc][hc]C[Tyro [5k?\]: Please show?
Ephidel [1k\]: for example
Tyro [5k?\]: I doh
Ephidel [1k\]: hahaha
Tyro [5k?\]: Isn't htat
Ephidel [1k\]: much better
Tyro [5k?\]: To passive?
Tyro [5k?\]: Let's white use his wall?
Naab [6k\]: why is it the everyone hates o16?
Tyro [5k?\]: So instead, just q14
Ephidel [1k\]: if you back off
Ephidel [1k\]: there's still a ton of aji for you
Ephidel [1k\]: just be patient
Ephidel [1k\]: remember that in this pattern
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Tyro [5k?\]: I..
Ephidel [1k\]: there is aji
Ephidel [1k\]: so you want to keep possibilites open
Tyro [5k?\]: I just get worried, because here I feel like I have influence over so little of the board.
Ephidel [1k\]: ah
Ephidel [1k\]: that's called red-eye syndrome
Tyro [5k?\]: I always seem to open this way
Ephidel [1k\]: or being jealous
Tyro [5k?\]: Red eye?
Ephidel [1k\]: haha
Tyro [5k?\]: Oh
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes!
rats [2k\]: you should play k17 instead of approach the corner
Tyro [5k?\]: Yes I am always jealous.
]
;W[pb]
;B[qc]
;W[ld]
;B[ic]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you can invade quite easily
Ephidel [1k\]: since the aji of the f17 stone
rats [2k\]: yes
]))
(;B[nc]C[Ephidel [1k\]: the most common way
Ephidel [1k\]: is something like this
Ephidel [1k\]: because
Tyro [5k?\]: Oh
]
(;W[dj]C[Tyro [5k?\]: I did not know
]
;B[fc]
;W[df]
;B[id]C[Ephidel [1k\]: this moyo is considered better for b
])
(;W[fc]C[Ephidel [1k\]: lol
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
Ephidel [1k\]: so white usually plays here
])))
(;B[pc]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[qf]
(;B[pf])
(;B[qd]
;W[pf]
;B[nc]
;W[qj]C[Ephidel [1k\]: you know this joseki
]
;B[]
;W[rf]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and then like
Ephidel [1k\]: some 7k
Ephidel [1k\]: plays like this
Ephidel [1k\]: no!
Ephidel [1k\]: don't be greedy for points in opening
Tyro [5k?\]: Tenuki
Ephidel [1k\]: too slow
Ephidel [1k\]: yeah
Tyro [5k?\]: Okay
]
;B[re]C[Ephidel [1k\]: and the other dude's like
Ephidel [1k\]: duh ok
])))