(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[dsaun]PB[Kheldragar]BR[9k]DT[2014-05-12]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Hello dsaun Kheldragar [9k\]: I can scoutscode [7d?\]: i couldn't hear you count to 10 Kheldragar [9k\]: The last time we played I was 14k Kheldragar [9k\]: ^__^ ]RE[W+Resign] ;B[pd]BL[574.222] ;W[dp]WL[596.035]C[scoutscode [7d?\]: definitely didn't hear you count to 10 again ] ;B[qp]BL[569.548] ;W[dd]WL[587.267] ;B[fq]BL[564.799] ;W[cn]WL[583.675] ;B[kq]BL[562.968] ;W[qf]WL[571.205] ;B[qh]BL[532.442]C[scoutscode [7d?\]: yes from League of Legends ] ;W[nd]WL[558.186]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: This is new scoutscode [7d?\]: my best character has a line "Never underestimate the power of the scouts' code." Kheldragar [9k\]: o16 Kheldragar [9k\]: Usually I see double low approach Narishima [9k?\]: hence the username? ] ;B[oe]BL[473.763] ;W[qc]WL[554.469] ;B[qd]BL[471.204] ;W[pc]WL[551.906]C[scoutscode [7d?\]: yes because i am the best teemo player in na :) Kheldragar [9k\]: MUSHROOOMS Nachtmahr [4d\]: oh man you sing horrible ] ;B[ne]BL[442.801]C[KiraYama [4d\]: ^ ] ;W[od]WL[545.585]C[scoutscode [7d?\]: dsaun knows vital points :) ] ;B[pe]BL[401.287] ;W[rd]WL[541.768] ;B[re]BL[400.066] ;W[rc]WL[540.373]C[KiraYama [4d\]: 5pm GMT RobertT [-\]: hi hi skydyr [2d?\]: that way he'll know ahead of time what dsaun is overlooking Kheldragar [9k\]: I was going to but I thought you would q14 ] (;B[qe]BL[363.625]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: And it'd be more of a headache Kheldragar [9k\]: Maybe I didn't read far enough ] ;W[md]WL[523.508] ;B[cf]BL[312.675] ;W[ch]WL[507.792] ;B[fc]BL[300.685]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I double approached because you were high on the top ] (;W[df]WL[502.98]C[RobertT [-\]: eastern time is current -4 so it would be 1pm Kheldragar [9k\]: So I thought it'd be fine? ] ;B[dc]BL[258.372]C[Holo [11k\]: heyo Narishima [9k?\]: hi ] ;W[ce]WL[457.422]C[RobertT [-\]: but he said 5pm GMT Kheldragar [9k\]: So after I played this move ] (;B[ic]BL[236.58] ;W[cc]WL[437.323]C[KiraYama [4d\]: why not l5 because l3 is still 1 space different from mini chinese Holo [11k\]: im out have fun ppl Holo [11k\]: its late ] ;B[db]BL[202.714]C[Narishima [9k?\]: cya ] ;W[cb]WL[421.423]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I see ] (;B[ed]BL[178.953] ;W[ee]WL[415.245]C[skydyr [2d?\]: seems like big endgame to me RobertT [-\]: everone should have tenukied RobertT [-\]: hehe ] ;B[fe]BL[177.638] ;W[ff]WL[411.104] (;B[fo]BL[99.869]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Border of two moyos Kheldragar [9k\]: Learned that against a 1d ] ;W[op]WL[398.423]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Paintcan Kheldragar [9k\]: ^^ Kheldragar [9k\]: I'm thinking deny him the edge? ] (;B[pq]BL[85.726]C[skydyr [2d?\]: what's wrong with the traditional q6? ] ;W[qo]WL[391.781] ;B[rp]BL[23.996] ;W[on]WL[381.256] ;B[qm]BL[10.437] ;W[oq]WL[374.683] (;B[or]BL[5.993] (;W[pp]WL[367.294] ;B[qr]BL[0.789] (;W[ro]WL[357.103]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: This next move goes against what I should do but I can't find anything else to do Kheldragar [9k\]: Didn't think of o2 ] (;B[ol]BL[849.878] ;W[pm]WL[351.237] ;B[pl]BL[846.24]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I didn't know what to do ] ;W[ql]WL[349.448]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So I played p8 ] ;B[qk]BL[839.044] ;W[rl]WL[346.727] ;B[rk]BL[836.029] ;W[rm]WL[344.581]C[RobertT [-\]: like any leader would RobertT [-\]: hehe Kheldragar [9k\]: Urgent is only urgent if you know what is KiraYama [4d\]: why not c3 instead? KiraYama [4d\]: instead of d2 Kheldragar [9k\]: I'd probably die Kheldragar [9k\]: In the corner KiraYama [4d\]: no Kheldragar [9k\]: I know it can live but KiraYama [4d\]: u cant KiraYama [4d\]: xD Kheldragar [9k\]: I know myself ] (;B[dr]BL[783.311] ;W[cq]WL[340.114] ;B[ko]BL[779.574] ;W[mq]WL[337.516] (;B[mp]BL[763.229] ;W[nr]WL[334.416]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So her eI only looked at p1 Kheldragar [9k\]: And nothing eles Kheldragar [9k\]: Which kind of Kheldragar [9k\]: "If he p1 I s2 it's okay" ] (;B[me]BL[742.827] ;W[rr]WL[323.862]C[Holo [11k\]: what do you mean by "done anything good for go"? Holo [11k\]: ah ok Holo [11k\]: you judge it then Holo [11k\]: if its worth RobertT [-\]: corner is ko but not the ko that happened in the game. you could kill outright with the moves in the game RobertT [-\]: oh no I scared him away with reading Kheldragar [9k\]: Oh no skydyr [2d?\]: instead of n4, if black is going to tenuki I'd want to consider reducing white's potential on the left RobertT [-\]: yep Kheldragar [9k\]: With what move? Kheldragar [9k\]: e8 ? RobertT [-\]: d7 skydyr [2d?\]: black's ahead on territory, after all Kheldragar [9k\]: I think I see you on life in 19 a lot Kheldragar [9k\]: Skydyr RobertT [-\]: well b got so much territory because white played s5 instead of p8 TruthTaco [6k\]: I don't hear dsuan, is it just me? skydyr [2d?\]: you do KiraYama [4d\]: none of us can RobertT [-\]: dsaun d/ced Kheldragar [9k\]: Dsaun is offline TruthTaco [6k\]: ah RobertT [-\]: wb KiraYama [4d\]: Uhm KiraYama [4d\]: someones stealing ur internet Kheldragar [9k\]: Sure KiraYama [4d\]: or u have alot of people Sampi [3d?\]: you're using wifi? KiraYama [4d\]: using the internet KiraYama [4d\]: or u just have bad wifi skydyr [2d?\]: literally, it means that your computer can't get a response from a particular server microsoft has set up for that purpose TruthTaco [6k\]: your modem might have dissconnected or your internet was slow KiraYama [4d\]: then ur far away from ur router Sampi [3d?\]: basically it means you have a bad signal skydyr [2d?\]: yeah Kheldragar [9k\]: So we left with robert T saying ko Kheldragar [9k\]: And the moves we play is outright dead RobertT [-\]: limited means it has a link with the wifi but the data isn't transmiting correctly. usually happens when the internet disconnects but your link to the wifi is still active skydyr [2d?\]: well, if you can't get to microsoft's server, the problem is most likely you and not them :) RobertT [-\]: here black should play t2 to make ko skydyr [2d?\]: that is, you don't have a path to the internet at large ] (;B[rs]BL[669.653]C[Holo [11k\]: cool RobertT [-\]: the in game sequence RobertT [-\]: b is dead outright ] ;W[sr]WL[310.52] ;B[sq]BL[659.405] ;W[rq]WL[303.687] ;B[sp]BL[614.169] (;W[os]WL[300.613]C[RobertT [-\]: sounds like a great deal ;p ] ;B[ps]BL[586.897] ;W[pr]WL[297.4]C[skydyr [2d?\]: I still like reducing the left ] (;B[cr]BL[569.294]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So Kheldragar [9k\]: I considered Kheldragar [9k\]: n8 or something Kheldragar [9k\]: Because I knew I had no threats Narishima [9k?\]: so is q2 ko for life? ] (;W[qq]WL[281.304]C[skydyr [2d?\]: if you have no threats, you need to take the biggest move on the board ] (;B[ml]BL[560.865] ;W[fm]WL[267.189]LB[gf:E][em:C][hm:A][en:D][hn:B]C[RobertT [-\]: bottom right shape had a fun move Kheldragar [9k\]: I only thought to myself Kheldragar [9k\]: Oh if he atari p1 I'll play 2-2 Kheldragar [9k\]: I did not think about anything else Kheldragar [9k\]: So I died scoutscode [7d?\]: at one point w had a chance for a straight kill but instead only got a ko scoutscode [7d?\]: i think that's what robert is talking about Kheldragar [9k\]: I know c2 is a threat for something in that group on the lower left but Kheldragar [9k\]: I don't know how Kheldragar [9k\]: ^^ Kheldragar [9k\]: White's probably too strong in the top dsaun [-\]: lazygo \]o/ dsaun [-\]: \\o/ cynewulf [-\]: lazy \\o/ Holo [11k\]: ah cynewulf cynewulf [-\]: maybe >_> Holo [11k\]: we just palyed Holo [11k\]: ^^ Holo [11k\]: =D Kheldragar [9k\]: I don't know what I should do Kheldragar [9k\]: I have two big and one looks like it's full of holes and the other seems passive Kheldragar [9k\]: :I Kheldragar [9k\]: moves Kheldragar [9k\]: Let's see what happens Kheldragar [9k\]: Here I thought of Kheldragar [9k\]: h7 h6 e7 e6 g14 Kheldragar [9k\]: Any of those Kheldragar [9k\]: I didn't know Kheldragar [9k\]: Yeah skydyr [2d?\]: I don't like white e6 in response to c8 RobertT [-\]: not a sequence. a set of possible moves Sampi [3d?\]: would be a pretty insane sequence ;) Kheldragar [9k\]: Wanted to do something up there and return to it Kheldragar [9k\]: I didn't know what to do RobertT [-\]: f9 for reduction style points ] (;B[hm]BL[300.214]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I don't like this shape Kheldragar [9k\]: White g9 for example? ] ;W[gn]WL[258.791]C[Holo [11k\]: =D Holo [11k\]: g6 obvious move^^ skydyr [2d?\]: black has nice forcing moves around d6 to maybe capture c6 ] ;B[hk]BL[282.196]C[skydyr [2d?\]: after the extensions ] ;W[hn]WL[254.587]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: *Writes down to not care about the one stone* ] (;B[im]BL[279.59] ;W[hq]WL[251.385]C[RobertT [-\]: or b h14 ;p Kheldragar [9k\]: I said no ] (;B[ip]BL[263.868]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: In the main game ] ;W[hp]WL[245.97] ;B[io]BL[261.123]C[HolyNoob [8k\]: black just gave up f group lol ] ;W[gp]WL[232.67]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: This is not the proper way to sacrifice ] (;B[ke]BL[253.367] ;W[hi]WL[224.489]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: And now my whole gamble will be reduced ] (;B[jh]BL[200.804] ;W[ji]WL[221.261] ;B[ki]BL[199.319]C[Holo [11k\]: very much^^ ] ;W[kh]WL[218.171] ;B[ih]BL[197.412] ;W[ii]WL[212.353] ;B[kj]BL[196.329] ;W[kg]WL[208.781]C[cynewulf [-\]: oh i forgot to mention sector lines, explain them to holo for me, i'm too lazy \\o/ ] ;B[jf]BL[193.537]C[Holo [11k\]: i know it Narishima [9k?\]: t19 Holo [11k\]: ^^ cynewulf [-\]: oh good ] ;W[ge]WL[197.077]C[Holo [11k\]: yea Kheldragar [9k\]: I think learning tesuji and placements would be good so I can know when I'm in trouble and when I am not Kheldragar [9k\]: Because I am thinking g15 is small Kheldragar [9k\]: But you know Kheldragar [9k\]: I think I can see something else Sampi [3d?\]: overplay is power play Kheldragar [9k\]: Which part was the punishment? skydyr [2d?\]: the part where white didn't get much out of it ] ;B[hf]BL[140.181]C[cynewulf [-\]: yeah, it's good to know when you have options Kheldragar [9k\]: I'm not getting cut ] ;W[gc]WL[191.827] ;B[gb]BL[129.315] ;W[gf]WL[176.756] ;B[hc]BL[118.765] ;W[ie]WL[170.72] ;B[if]BL[114.357] ;W[jk]WL[167.185] ;B[jj]BL[110.807] ;W[ik]WL[165.251] ;B[ij]BL[105.723] ;W[hj]WL[163.605] ;B[gk]BL[91.882]C[coffeetoo [14k\]: XD XD ] ;W[in]WL[154.594]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Shape is enough to get to 1d Holo [11k\]: what was it? Kheldragar [9k\]: think about that Holo [11k\]: flying what? RobertT [-\]: unless it is trying to catch an eagle coffeetoo [14k\]: bully go ] ;B[jn]BL[41.588] ;W[kk]WL[149.607]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay I need to read this Kheldragar [9k\]: I hope I am not wrong ] (;B[gh]BL[30]OB[5]C[RobertT [-\]: :) coffeetoo [14k\]: if you want someone to quiver in fear you should play me :P RobertT [-\]: I'm happy b found this move :) ] (;W[jm]WL[146.316] ;B[km]BL[30]OB[5] ;W[jl]WL[143.624]C[RobertT [-\]: h8 Sampi [3d?\]: m9 h8 l8 g10 ] (;B[gj]BL[30]OB[5] ;W[lk]WL[131.355]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: This is going to get bessy Kheldragar [9k\]: messy Kheldragar [9k\]: I didn't see the snapback Kheldragar [9k\]: So.... RobertT [-\]: because of the peep ] (;B[hh]BL[863.311] ;W[hl]WL[126.573] ;B[mk]BL[854.011] ;W[lj]WL[119.746]C[Sampi [3d?\]: technicalities braincrash [?\]: g11 is better than h12 ] ;B[gi]BL[842.123]C[HolyNoob [8k\]: black just trade his big moyo with white's 4 stones xD Kheldragar [9k\]: Umm Kheldragar [9k\]: It's already dead Kheldragar [9k\]: With the snapback Kheldragar [9k\]: My moyo Kheldragar [9k\]: White's stones are connected Kheldragar [9k\]: So the best I can hope for is to destroy his ] ;W[oh]WL[78.348]C[KiraYama [4d\]: O.ooo braincrash [?\]: g11 > h12 RobertT [-\]: yep ] (;B[pg]BL[828.816]C[HolyNoob [8k\]: i would play M9 just now Kheldragar [9k\]: Yolo cap kill all the things lilyheart [6d?\]: #Yoloswag KiraYama [4d\]: #420 KiraYama [4d\]: #selfie RobertT [-\]: its getting harder and harder for me to win if I took over as black ;p RobertT [-\]: n11 plz Kheldragar [9k\]: As battousai would say after your last move ] ;W[ln]WL[49.423]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Can robertT play for me? Kheldragar [9k\]: I feel like resigning Kheldragar [9k\]: I'm about to die Kheldragar [9k\]: On the bottom Kheldragar [9k\]: Review Kheldragar [9k\]: ^^ KiraYama [4d\]: Now for robert T to finish KiraYama [4d\]: Yes after.. Kheldragar [9k\]: And what do we know about the knight's move? Kheldragar [9k\]: l7 n8 rip skydyr [2d?\]: far too much (about the knight's move) Kheldragar [9k\]: I realise I will die Kheldragar [9k\]: Because it will be cut ] ;B[kn] ;W[lm] ;B[ll] ;W[kl] ;B[mo]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: With black's moyo destroyed I would say resign still ^^ RobertT [-\]: the score changed a lot in 30 moves ] (;W[br] ;B[ck]C[skydyr [2d?\]: belly move at n6 keeps white p7 from being sente skydyr [2d?\]: but it leaves more aji on the bottom ]) (;W[om] ;B[] ;W[mn] ;B[nn] ;W[nm]C[skydyr [2d?\]: black had to respond t op7 skydyr [2d?\]: or this connects skydyr [2d?\]: making p7 double sente instead of sente for black Kheldragar [9k\]: I would like to see that cynewulf [-\]: robert is hikaru? Kheldragar [9k\]: Robert is sai Kheldragar [9k\]: also reading Kheldragar [9k\]: I just do my daily dose of tsumego and hope I get better at reading RobertT [-\]: sorry had volume muted ])) (;B[ni]) (;B[mi])) (;B[mj]) (;B[gi]C[gary [7k\]: greater than* ])) (;B[lk]C[Sampi [3d?\]: i think robert means h8 l8 g10 ] ;W[hl] ;B[kl]C[skydyr [2d?\]: or g7? ] ;W[gj]C[braincrash [?\]: net gets away Kheldragar [9k\]: I would f9 Kheldragar [9k\]: After this RobertT [-\]: I was more thinking of black h8 instead of m9 and kill it all RobertT [-\]: because i"m greedy Kheldragar [9k\]: But at the cost of two corners Kheldragar [9k\]: Orz ]) (;B[hl]C[Sampi [3d?\]: no i mean Sampi [3d?\]: :P Sampi [3d?\]: :) RobertT [-\]: yep RobertT [-\]: :) ])) (;W[km]WL[136.996])) (;B[lk]C[skydyr [2d?\]: I wonder if it's better to secure the bottom, let white save the stones, and then push into the white moyo RobertT [-\]: I think b has time to capture ])) (;B[ih] ;W[ii] ;B[ji]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So if white hane I can cut and be fine? Kheldragar [9k\]: Cut white ] ;W[jj]TR[in]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: yeah braincrash [?\]: well no KiraYama [4d\]: no RobertT [-\]: to show cut? ] (;B[ij]C[RobertT [-\]: well first thing is skydyr [2d?\]: after the second cut skydyr [2d?\]: the k7 cut Kage [5k\]: Hi dsaun! :-) RobertT [-\]: ya cut looks fine Kheldragar [9k\]: New use of the shoulder move learned ] (;W[jh] ;B[ki] ;W[ig]C[RobertT [-\]: white can take one stone here ] ;B[kh] ;W[hh] ;B[fk]C[RobertT [-\]: then something like this ]) (;W[in] ;B[jn]C[skydyr [2d?\]: what about the other extension, to sacrifice to push in more before the ladder? ] ;W[jm]C[RobertT [-\]: this cut sint too scary ] (;B[jk] (;W[km]C[RobertT [-\]: because this doesnt really have anywere to run ]) (;W[kj]C[RobertT [-\]: this? skydyr [2d?\]: nevermind ] ;B[jh]C[skydyr [2d?\]: misread ]) (;W[jh]C[RobertT [-\]: hmm RobertT [-\]: I guess its similar ] (;B[kj] ;W[ki] ;B[jj] ;W[ig] ;B[kh] ;W[hh]) (;B[ki] ;W[ig] ;B[kh] ;W[hh] ;B[fk]C[braincrash [?\]: hey ]))) (;B[jl] ;W[jh]C[RobertT [-\]: w would probably go back to this atari ] ;B[ki] ;W[ig] ;B[kh]C[RobertT [-\]: so it kind of reverts ])) (;W[hj]) (;W[kj])) (;B[kj]C[Sampi [3d?\]: i think so too Sampi [3d?\]: :D Kheldragar [9k\]: Strong enough to double hane? RobertT [-\]: cut Sampi [3d?\]: if robert says you can cut, you can cut RobertT [-\]: hehe skydyr [2d?\]: you can always cut skydyr [2d?\]: results may vary, however ]))) (;B[ld] ;W[lc] ;B[kc]) (;B[gf])) (;B[bq] ;W[bp] ;B[dq] ;W[cp] ;B[ar]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: rip black ])) (;B[hp] ;W[im] ;B[jl])) (;B[fk]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Mutual reduction possibly ]) (;B[em]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Hanami reduction ] ;W[en] ;B[fn]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Here I thought white g7 black e8 Kheldragar [9k\]: And it'd be hard for black ] ;W[gm] ;B[el]C[skydyr [2d?\]: maybe force once more for connection ] ;W[gk] (;B[cm]) (;B[dn] ;W[eo] ;B[co]C[skydyr [2d?\]: it's a trade of potential though... may hurt black's lower side ]))) (;B[cl]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: That means £££ ])) (;W[br] ;B[cl] ;W[] ;B[bp] ;W[bq] (;B[bn]) (;B[co] ;W[do] ;B[bn]))) (;B[nn] ;W[qq]C[Narishima [9k?\]: nvm ] (;B[em]) (;B[ld]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: tengen Kheldragar [9k\]: hehe ] ;W[jj] ;B[hj]))) (;W[ps]C[RobertT [-\]: dead RobertT [-\]: so this move kills RobertT [-\]: yep skydyr [2d?\]: this is why literacy is important :) ] ;B[os]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Obviously ] ;W[ns] ;B[pr] ;W[so]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Didn't read that far :( RobertT [-\]: connect and die ;p Narishima [9k?\]: Houston we've got a problem Kheldragar [9k\]: Only went to "I can capture q1" Kheldragar [9k\]: That should be an eye Kheldragar [9k\]: Right? ] ;B[qq] ;W[qs])) (;B[sr]C[Sampi [3d?\]: why not s3? Sampi [3d?\]: for b ]) (;B[rq]C[Sampi [3d?\]: hey! RobertT [-\]: ya Kheldragar [9k\]: s3 to live? Sampi [3d?\]: sorry, too many reviewers already here :) RobertT [-\]: ya seems alive Kheldragar [9k\]: I rejected it without reading it looked too silly ] ;W[sr]C[Narishima [9k?\]: that's silly ] ;B[sq]C[Sampi [3d?\]: looks like b lives Kheldragar [9k\]: Indeed ] ;W[os] ;B[pr]C[RobertT [-\]: hmm ])) (;B[rr]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: yeah ]) (;B[lf]) (;B[nn])) (;B[nr])) (;B[nn]C[RobertT [-\]: you *shouldn't* die in the corner ])) (;B[nr]) (;B[pn] ;W[po] ;B[om]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Yes Kheldragar [9k\]: it would ])) (;W[qn]C[skydyr [2d?\]: s5 seems like it gives white good shape? skydyr [2d?\]: if black plays it ])) (;W[nr] ;B[pr] ;W[mq])) (;B[ro])) (;B[oq] ;W[nq] ;B[pq] ;W[nn] ;B[qn]) (;B[qn] ;W[qq] ;B[rq] ;W[pq] ;B[rr]C[skydyr [2d?\]: one line higher KiraYama [4d\]: thats r6 ]) (;B[pn] ;W[qq] ;B[rq] ;W[pq] ;B[rr] ;W[mq])) (;B[ge] ;W[fo])) (;B[kc])) (;B[cc]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: This two space Kheldragar [9k\]: I found c17 ] ;W[cg]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: And then it was no suprise to me when you took it ] (;B[fo]) (;B[op]))) (;W[ee])) (;B[rf]))