(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Xombar]PB[Kheldragar]WR[3k]BR[9k]DT[2014-05-17]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay so
Kheldragar [9k\]: What do I want to do
Xombar [3k\]: whatever
Kheldragar [9k\]: -.-
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]C[Xombar [3k\]: so I only play hoshi unless I'm setting up a trick play with 5-4
Xombar [3k\]: also
Kheldragar [9k\]: You like 3-4?
Xombar [3k\]: when I was between 4k and 3k
Xombar [3k\]: well
Xombar [3k\]: I know hoshi better
Xombar [3k\]: so I don't play 3-4
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think nirensei is the most boring fuseki
Kheldragar [9k\]: I almost always have a 3-4
Kheldragar [9k\]: I should try dual 3-4
Xombar [3k\]: when I was b/t 4k and 3k, I would always approach komoku instead of taking a corner
Kheldragar [9k\]: Like the 1800's
Xombar [3k\]: which would avoid all chinese variants
Kheldragar [9k\]: Because they liked territory
Xombar [3k\]: but is locally a loss
Kheldragar [9k\]: And hated enclosures
Kheldragar [9k\]: Do you not like Chinese?
Xombar [3k\]: I heard that
Xombar [3k\]: it lead to a lot of special-purpose moves
Xombar [3k\]: due to the local advantage for black
Kheldragar [9k\]: I like chinese but
Xombar [3k\]: I prefer to avoid too much opening knowledge if someone has it
Xombar [3k\]: especially if the komoku was the other way here
Kheldragar [9k\]: It feels like if white lets you take territory
Xombar [3k\]: if I approach at p4
Kheldragar [9k\]: You become overconcentrated
Xombar [3k\]: and B pincer
Kheldragar [9k\]: p4?
Kheldragar [9k\]: Shoulder?
Xombar [3k\]: if the komoku was the other way
Kheldragar [9k\]: ah
Xombar [3k\]: and B pincer then B tends to make a lot of 
Xombar [3k\]: territory as we run
Kheldragar [9k\]: Well he can go on top
Kheldragar [9k\]: And have some influence
Kheldragar [9k\]: With his 4-4
Xombar [3k\]: my winrate as W was 10+% worse than B
]
;W[dp]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay so you have nirensei
Kheldragar [9k\]: I can chinese
Kheldragar [9k\]: I can kobayashi
Xombar [3k\]: that was how I played on my way to 3k
Xombar [3k\]: this was how I played on my way to 4k
Kheldragar [9k\]: I have played r5 in the past though
Kheldragar [9k\]: But it seems slow
Kheldragar [9k\]: If only
Kheldragar [9k\]: Because white can take k4
Kheldragar [9k\]: And take an extension off of his 4-4
Kheldragar [9k\]: Which is not as big as my extension would be
Kheldragar [9k\]: But still
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think I'll play low chinese since I know it better
]
;B[qk]
;W[nc]
;B[pf]C[Xombar [3k\]: I don't know low chinese well
Xombar [3k\]: or any chinese
Kheldragar [9k\]: Well what white does
Xombar [3k\]: ha
Kheldragar [9k\]: In my opinion
Kheldragar [9k\]: Is let black tae his side points
]
;W[jd]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: And be slightly over concentrated
Kheldragar [9k\]: But then he gets a whole board fuseki
Kheldragar [9k\]: You can even see it now
]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So
Kheldragar [9k\]: I like getting this
Kheldragar [9k\]: But it's not as good as I would think
]
;W[dj]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: See now we're in
Kheldragar [9k\]: A battle of competing frameworks
Kheldragar [9k\]: What do you think about that
Xombar [3k\]: it's not something I try to achieve or avoid
Kheldragar [9k\]: I have two thoughts right now, actually
Kheldragar [9k\]: The first is that since you have a double wing
Kheldragar [9k\]: And they're both equal distance apart
Xombar [3k\]: I mostly just play local moves in my comfort zone
Kheldragar [9k\]: 3-3 is very big
Kheldragar [9k\]: The second is that I could save the wall and the possibility of the 3-3
Xombar [3k\]: in fact, "staying in my comfort zone"
Kheldragar [9k\]: And go f5 to get above the line
Xombar [3k\]: is a good description of how I played since getting back into Go
Kheldragar [9k\]: I forgot what A&D refers to it as
Kheldragar [9k\]: junction line
Kheldragar [9k\]: The third choice is tengen
Kheldragar [9k\]: How does tengen look
Xombar [3k\]: I don't remember what A&D calls it either
Kheldragar [9k\]: It's junction line
Xombar [3k\]: there was
Xombar [3k\]: lemme find it
Xombar [3k\]: an interesting comment on tengen in this kind of situation
Kheldragar [9k\]: At a glance it seems good
Kheldragar [9k\]: Two competing moyos battling through the centre
Kheldragar [9k\]: Take tengen
Kheldragar [9k\]: Right on that line
Xombar [3k\]: see my demo
Xombar [3k\]: so here I would probably play near f5 or o15 instead of tengen
Kheldragar [9k\]: n15 is a move
Kheldragar [9k\]: I have heard
Xombar [3k\]: not saying I would make a boundary of moyos play
Xombar [3k\]: but if I did that's what I'd do
Xombar [3k\]: yes n15 for B
Kheldragar [9k\]: Well that's definitly the next move
Kheldragar [9k\]: But which is better?
Kheldragar [9k\]: I would say n15 simply because black is stronger
Kheldragar [9k\]: And white is thinner
Kheldragar [9k\]: But then again
Kheldragar [9k\]: f5 kind of protects against h3
Kheldragar [9k\]: Got that ying and yang
]
;B[fo]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I used to play d2 first before this
Kheldragar [9k\]: Because we ddks would respond
Kheldragar [9k\]: At the 3-3 even though it's small
Xombar [3k\]: I like f5 now that you've played it
Xombar [3k\]: it makes it harder to invade your side
Kheldragar [9k\]: This exact situation happened against me and tonberry
Kheldragar [9k\]: This exact position
Kheldragar [9k\]: He called it slow
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think I can find the comment
Kheldragar [9k\]: on youtube
Kheldragar [9k\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PAKswPprJo
]
;W[lp]C[Xombar [3k\]: okay I will panic and invade
Kheldragar [9k\]: Read his comment first
Xombar [3k\]: ha
Xombar [3k\]: well I stand by my opinions
Kheldragar [9k\]: Just something to consider
Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay so now that you've invaded
Kheldragar [9k\]: I can consider invading your 3-3 and possibly taking sente
Xombar [3k\]: I'm hoping to lean on your strongest shape, on the left
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think what I might try to do
Kheldragar [9k\]: Is enclose my corner
Kheldragar [9k\]: And deny you access to that edge
Kheldragar [9k\]: + get a few points
Kheldragar [9k\]: And then try to see how I can profit 
Kheldragar [9k\]: from attacking
]
;B[po]
;W[op]C[Xombar [3k\]: I would strongly consider p3
Kheldragar [9k\]: I'm considering p3
Kheldragar [9k\]: haha
Kheldragar [9k\]: Yeah
Kheldragar [9k\]: But the thing is
Kheldragar [9k\]: You'll push I'll block
Kheldragar [9k\]: And how well will my stones at the bottom fare
Kheldragar [9k\]: If I try to connect on top
Kheldragar [9k\]: Oh wait
Kheldragar [9k\]: This is 4th line
Kheldragar [9k\]: Not second or third
]
;B[oq]
;W[pp]C[Xombar [3k\]: yolo
]
;B[qp]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[qq]
;B[rp]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I felt giving you the ladder was too much
Kheldragar [9k\]: Even if I could ladder breaker + 3-3
]
;W[rq]
;B[np]
;W[oo]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I thought I could like
Xombar [3k\]: yeah I was going to ask about that
Kheldragar [9k\]: Atari here and make cuts and shit
Kheldragar [9k\]: And then get a free ladder breaker
Kheldragar [9k\]: And then s5
]
(;B[ro]
;W[nq]
;B[nr]
;W[mq]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So I think
Kheldragar [9k\]: I will get p6
Kheldragar [9k\]: And then try to 
Kheldragar [9k\]: expand my liberties
]
;B[on]
;W[no]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Well I can get it twice
Kheldragar [9k\]: Which would only be good if I can have n15
Kheldragar [9k\]: Or something from sente
Kheldragar [9k\]: But if I win locally
Kheldragar [9k\]: I won't have sente
Kheldragar [9k\]: I feel
Xombar [3k\]: it's good regardless
]
;B[nn]
;W[mo]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: R2 looks dodgy
Kheldragar [9k\]: But that it might work
]
;B[qr]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So I mean
Kheldragar [9k\]: If you feel it does then sente
]
;W[rr]C[Xombar [3k\]: so I don't see how s2 works but I don't think it will hurt
Xombar [3k\]: so yolo
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think it does
]
;B[ps]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Let's see
Xombar [3k\]: so now I can take my n2
Xombar [3k\]: and leave s2 q1 as an exchange that didn't affect the result
Xombar [3k\]: or I can s1
Xombar [3k\]: hmm
]
;W[rs]
;B[mr]
;W[lr]C[Xombar [3k\]: gamblin'
Kheldragar [9k\]: You win by 1 liberty
Kheldragar [9k\]: No
Kheldragar [9k\]: That's atari
Kheldragar [9k\]: so you win by more
]
;B[me]C[Xombar [3k\]: hmm
Kheldragar [9k\]: I lose
Xombar [3k\]: it's a good move even if you misread the bottom imo
Kheldragar [9k\]: Ko threats
Kheldragar [9k\]: That's all the bottom is
Kheldragar [9k\]: Meaningless ko threats
Xombar [3k\]: if you read correctly
Xombar [3k\]: then of course you want n15
Kheldragar [9k\]: What do yo mean correctly
Kheldragar [9k\]: I tried many things
Kheldragar [9k\]: 0 worked
Xombar [3k\]: and if you didn't then I still have to add a move
Xombar [3k\]: well
Xombar [3k\]: isn't B p2 ko
Kheldragar [9k\]: It's not good enough
Kheldragar [9k\]: You have too many libs
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think
Kheldragar [9k\]: Oh
Kheldragar [9k\]: p2
Kheldragar [9k\]: not p1
Xombar [3k\]: I think I'll c17
]
;W[cc]C[Xombar [3k\]: leaving o17 with miai directions
]
;B[kr]
;W[ms]
;B[ns]
;W[or]
;B[ls]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I expected to get l3 in sente
]
;W[pr]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: But
Kheldragar [9k\]: I'm 
Kheldragar [9k\]: eh less invadable
Kheldragar [9k\]: On the left
Kheldragar [9k\]: Since you got stronger
Kheldragar [9k\]: I think I'll take honte
]
;B[kq]C[Xombar [3k\]: huh
Kheldragar [9k\]: I want to be secure
Kheldragar [9k\]: Also p1 is no longe roiotoshi
Kheldragar [9k\]: Unless you connect
]
;W[jf]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So
Kheldragar [9k\]: Your framework is now going to be larger
Xombar [3k\]: I didn't count
Kheldragar [9k\]: If I 
Kheldragar [9k\]: Follow along
Xombar [3k\]: Xombar's bad habit dojo
Kheldragar [9k\]: Is d2 too small?
Kheldragar [9k\]: Probably
Kheldragar [9k\]: m13 too passive
Kheldragar [9k\]: m17 looks full of holes and medium size if it works
Kheldragar [9k\]: But probably not worth
Kheldragar [9k\]: tengen is out now
Kheldragar [9k\]: Yolo cap is not good
Xombar [3k\]: my plan if you m17 is r17
Xombar [3k\]: I don't like l3
Kheldragar [9k\]: I dunno
Kheldragar [9k\]: I could shoulder hit at e11
Xombar [3k\]: saving unimportant stones
Kheldragar [9k\]: I could try to invade at g12
Kheldragar [9k\]: l3 is to protect my group at the bottom
Kheldragar [9k\]: And it also gives me sente in the future or saves stones
Xombar [3k\]: it's not in danger
Kheldragar [9k\]: It is
Kheldragar [9k\]: Because I am 9k
Xombar [3k\]: you can consider l3/d2 miai if you want
Kheldragar [9k\]: /was
Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay
Kheldragar [9k\]: So I am going to try
Kheldragar [9k\]: Rough counting
Kheldragar [9k\]: Assuming I get everything below q16 and to the right of n15
Kheldragar [9k\]: And everything below f5 and underneath k4
Kheldragar [9k\]: 78ish potential points
Kheldragar [9k\]: +1 for my capture
Kheldragar [9k\]: so 79
Kheldragar [9k\]: White gets 8.5+
Kheldragar [9k\]: A lot
Kheldragar [9k\]: Maybe 20-40 more
Kheldragar [9k\]: Than me
Kheldragar [9k\]: I don't even know what to do here
Kheldragar [9k\]: c10?
Kheldragar [9k\]: Live somehow
Xombar [3k\]: worth a shot
]
;B[cj]
;W[ci]
;B[di]
;W[ch]
;B[ei]
;W[dk]
;B[fk]
;W[dr]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay
Kheldragar [9k\]: Now you are
Kheldragar [9k\]: More reducable
Kheldragar [9k\]: And I feel I can try to get ahead
]
;B[lg]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Here
]
;W[lm]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Yeah I was looking at that spot too
]
;B[ml]
;W[fl]
;B[ij]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: White wants to separate me
Kheldragar [9k\]: No need to be solid
Kheldragar [9k\]: or heavy
Kheldragar [9k\]: This probably isn't the way to be light
Kheldragar [9k\]: But it's my attempt
]
;W[gk]
;B[gj]
;W[hq]
(;B[gr]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: So I'll just
]
;W[ho]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: I wonder
Kheldragar [9k\]: If wedge works here
]
(;B[jn]
;W[hr]
;B[hk]
;W[gl]
;B[hm]
;W[gn]
;B[gm]
;W[fn]
;B[hn]
;W[go]
;B[kk]
;W[fm]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Seems small
Xombar [3k\]: I feel ahead
]
;B[pc]
;W[eg]
;B[gg]
;W[gf]
;B[hg]
;W[ff]
;B[ie]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Looks like a thing
]
;W[if]
;B[hf]
;W[he]
;B[ke]
;W[je]
;B[lc]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Eh?
Xombar [3k\]: so now I will count
Kheldragar [9k\]: So are you steamrolling me
Kheldragar [9k\]: without effort
Kheldragar [9k\]: White still looks ahead
Kheldragar [9k\]: I can glance
Kheldragar [9k\]: And see this
Kheldragar [9k\]: I let myself get cut on the left which was all right because I could reduce
Xombar [3k\]: so I have like 100
Kheldragar [9k\]: BUT WAS IT WORTH IT!?
Xombar [3k\]: + komi
Kheldragar [9k\]: So 108.5
Kheldragar [9k\]: Bllack does not
Xombar [3k\]: B has like 110
Xombar [3k\]: it's very close
Kheldragar [9k\]: Am I playing better than 9k now that I'm trying to think
Kheldragar [9k\]: Even if half the time it fails
Xombar [3k\]: I don't know if the center was bigger than m17
Kheldragar [9k\]: I liked the j15 peep
Kheldragar [9k\]: It gave me l15 in sente
]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Definitly going to respond to that
]
;W[il]
;B[hl]
;W[io]C[Xombar [3k\]: probe probe probe
]
;B[jo]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]
;W[in]
;B[jm]
;W[im]
;B[jl]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: 0 choice
]
;W[hi]
;B[ii]
;W[hj]
;B[ik]
;W[gi]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: That's resign
Kheldragar [9k\]: Can I resign
Xombar [3k\]: ok
Kheldragar [9k\]: Or
Kheldragar [9k\]: can I undo
Xombar [3k\]: let's stop
Xombar [3k\]: I want to hear WuChou review
Kheldragar [9k\]: I'm too embarassed
Kheldragar [9k\]: Because I played bad
WuChou [?\]: hai thar
Xombar [3k\]: lemme see
Xombar [3k\]: if Kheldragar wants to come back
])
(;B[hp]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Black seems strong ish
Kheldragar [9k\]: And if you connect on bottom
Kheldragar [9k\]: I can kill
Kheldragar [9k\]: On top I cut
]
;W[gp]
;B[ip]
;W[gq]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Except for that way
Xombar [3k\]: 4way
Xombar [3k\]: reademall
]))
(;B[ho]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: g2 was probably the move
Kheldragar [9k\]:  for black
]
;W[fr]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Okay I am dead
Kheldragar [9k\]: I bet I am dead
Xombar [3k\]: I think h4 better than h5
Kheldragar [9k\]: I am dead dead dead
]))
(;B[on]
(;W[no])
(;W[no]
;B[ff]C[Kheldragar [9k\]: Yeah
Kheldragar [9k\]: I fucked up
Xombar [3k\]: I think this is terrible for you
])))