(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600] GN[DenisK-mathmo(B) IGS]PW[DenisK]PB[mathmo]WR[5d]BR[5d]DT[2017-11-15]CP[ Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2017 Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given. No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood. Use of this game is an understanding and agreement of this notice. ]EV[Internet Go Server game: DenisK vs mathmo]PC[IGS: igs.joyjoy.net 6969]US[Brought to you by IGS PANDANET]C[ DenisK 5d?: 145 Have a nice game mathmo 5d : 145 have a nice game mathmo 5d : 145 board 1 I've been tired lately, I don't think I was able to concentrate very well, but my instinct (policy network :)) seemed to be sufficient. B+6.5 ]RE[B+6.50]LT[]NB[33]NW[33]RR[Normal] ;B[pd]BL[3574] ;W[dd]WL[3595] ;B[pp]BL[3550] ;W[dq]WL[3592] ;B[co]BL[3532] ;W[ck]WL[3588] ;B[ep]BL[3517]C[alphago] ;W[eq]WL[3582] ;B[fp]BL[3517] (;W[fq]WL[3580]C[a solid move, it seemed like that was Denis's style] ;B[gp]BL[3516] ;W[hq]WL[3576] ;B[ci]BL[3516] (;W[ek]WL[3550] ;B[cf]BL[3514] ;W[ce]WL[3523] ;B[df]BL[3513] ;W[fd]WL[3522] ;B[ei]BL[3509] (;W[gk]WL[3520] ;B[hc]BL[3498] ;W[eb]WL[3503]C[most solid move] ;B[fl]BL[3397]C[inspired by Deepzengo vs Fujisawa Rina if I remember correctly this is primarily to defend the E6 shape point unsurprising to see that up to here, leela is very happy with all my moves. It considered F8 at C7 and J5, but upon seeing F8, it prefers it] ;W[fk]WL[3478] ;B[dl]BL[3338] ;W[dk]WL[3463]C[here it likes G15 until long playouts prefer G11. Even longer playouts prefer E15] ;B[gi]BL[3337] (;W[ik]WL[3381] (;B[qf]BL[2983]C[really hard to choose where to play this move - O17, O3, etc 56.5%] ;W[hp]WL[3333]C[leela agrees here to punish] ;B[ho]BL[2791] ;W[io]WL[3327] ;B[hn]BL[2607]C[leela prefers double hane very slightly (0.08%)] ;W[in]WL[3264] ;B[hm]BL[2571] (;W[im]WL[3230] ;B[hl]BL[2563] ;W[hk]WL[3220] (;B[cm]BL[2104]C[it's true that B's shape is rubbish and overconcentrated, and the D8, F8 peeps only look good when B is attacking W on the other hand, is that W wall going to make any points?] (;W[il]WL[3166]C[but the fact that W spends gote and played submissively at E18 made me feel good about this. At least, I didn't see where W's territory was. In hindsight, I feel like it is probably even] ;B[nq]BL[2092]C[leela says not even at all! 63% to B, until it notices the severity of F12 and it becomes 60.4%] (;W[rp]WL[3116]C[W needs to be aggressive to use the wall] ;B[qp]BL[2067] ;W[ro]WL[3108] ;B[rq]BL[2066] ;W[rr]WL[3106] ;B[qq]BL[2057] (;W[ql]WL[3099]C[too solid?] ;B[qj]BL[2041]C[of course here perhaps W can aim at R12? but actually R8 is still not that strong despite the wall] ;W[ob]WL[3033]C[obvious] (;B[pc]BL[1791]C[placing too much emphasis on the centre? I was really unsure about these moves it almost seemed like endgame at move 50 leela also agrees the centre is worthless Q18 is much better by 1.5%] (;W[lc]WL[3017] ;B[jc]BL[1758]C[I'm not at all sure about this move but leela thinks it is best 62.2%] (;W[le]WL[2998]C[ Uberdude 3d : bottom left hilarious Uberdude 3d : I know AlphaGo likes territory, but surely can't be good for B Uberdude 3d : I don't see any huge black territory elsewhere that I would expect from all the tenukis ] (;B[ee]BL[1259]C[this move took me ages, I realised that this B group was pretty weak as well, and I couldn't easily connect to my other group so I tried something a bit more active, aiming at W's weak points first leela drops me 3% here] (;W[fe]WL[2912]C[natural] ;B[ed]BL[1227] (;W[ec]WL[2909]C[this leaves a huge endgame at B15] ;B[ff]BL[1217] (;W[he]WL[2900]C[this felt slightly slack to me but leela says only move] ;B[gf]BL[1206]C[this B group is pretty well reinforced with a nice endgame at B15 too, but the cost is the separation of the K17 stones, but I thought their eyespace looked ok] ;W[hd]WL[2875] ;B[je]BL[1198]C[my win rate has collapse to 54%] ;W[jf]WL[2835]C[in hindsight this move looks silly, but at the time it looked scary this was probably one of W's big issues - sealing in living groups ... but leela thinks it is best] ;B[lb]BL[1101]C[this move works better because of K14] (;W[mb]WL[2829] ;B[kb]BL[1096] (;W[mc]WL[2761]C[huh? leela agrees and the difference is 5% !!!!!!!] ;B[id]BL[1050] (;W[ie]WL[2718] ;B[ke]BL[1008] ;W[kf]WL[2699] ;B[ib]BL[962]C[it looks like B has to live small, and I didn't feel great at the time, but W didn't seem to get much profit either given the M14 cut] (;W[qb]WL[2586]C[bad timing I think?] ;B[oj]BL[920]C[key point of the centre, now W's walls look totally dumb] ;W[ol]WL[2559] ;B[pb]BL[911] ;W[pa]WL[2553] (;B[qc]BL[906]C[dumb shape] (;W[lq]WL[2514]C[ aitkensam 4d?: that's one hell of a wall once again, leela's percentages collapse from 49% to W to 38% (should have defended M14) ] ;B[lf]BL[856]C[severe, but it would be much more severe if R17 was S17 this felt like a turning point and the game started to settle in my favour] ;W[me]WL[2485] ;B[lg]BL[854] ;W[rb]WL[2465] ;B[rc]BL[852]C[ Uberdude 3d : yeah, iyama cut would have j8 push and cut Uberdude 3d : even if it means the group inside dies ] ;W[sb]WL[2436] ;B[nd]BL[849]C[ Uberdude 3d : which i'm not sure it does ] ;W[nc]WL[2340]C[ Uberdude 3d : looks hard to kill or engineer a double attack with that wall SimbaRules 2k+: mmm, m3 is a bit of a sad looking extension from such thickness Uberdude 3d : but pressure on b so p8 hard to attack Uberdude 3d : i tihnk g11 was bad Uberdude 3d : look how dumb close to thickness it ended up, h12 seems more like a cool move strong players do the white group up top is so in danger of being killed, but I didn't feel confident of an outright kill ] ;B[rm]BL[369]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: could be risky if w gets strong here and gets t3 in Uberdude 3d : exactly aitkensam 4d?: pretty hard for that b group to die ] (;W[qm]WL[2223] ;B[rl]BL[366] ;W[rn]WL[2213] ;B[qk]BL[364]C[ Uberdude 3d : yeah never gonna die, but probably means b can't get lots of sentes around o8 which might let o19 work ] (;W[nn]WL[2151]C[ aitkensam 4d?: mm, o19 is the type of move you need 3 hours thinking time for :) Uberdude 3d : which seems like daniel's sneaky plan for 50 moves later W's shape with this move was awful ] (;B[ge]BL[295]C[aji-keshi sort of but] ;W[sq]WL[2135]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: here we go marek 10k : :D ] ;B[qr]BL[278] ;W[mr]WL[2118]C[ hogweed 1d : white is the french team captain ] ;B[sr]BL[277] ;W[ss]WL[2115]C[ Uberdude 3d : wtf is g15 ] (;B[qs]BL[237]C[ Uberdude 3d : try to make some liberty shortage before j14 cut? ] ;W[sp]WL[2103] ;B[nr]BL[236]C[ Uberdude 3d : b should t4 first to stop half eye? ] ;W[oo]WL[2077]C[ FrenchDude 3d?: b t4 would have been 100% alive no? ] ;B[pr]BL[197]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: I don't understand the timing of g15 Uberdude 3d : indeed bruno Uberdude 3d : just live SimbaRules 2k+: Maybe he just figured it was absolute sente. Uberdude 3d : maybe daniel is a bot Uberdude 3d : =) SimbaRules 2k+: hahaha ] ;W[ig]WL[2006]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Redmond gets so triggered by thatr. SimbaRules 2k+: that* ] ;B[gd]BL[178]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: g16 now surely, make w connect on dame SimbaRules 2k+: yeah SimbaRules 2k+: dunno why white didn't just g16 directly ] ;W[ii]WL[1927] ;B[ng]BL[167]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Black c17 maybe annoying for white's corner? ] (;W[md]WL[1903]C[ Uberdude 3d : i suppose black still has q6 here which is nice with this way of living leela says C17 is KO with 78%] ;B[bq]BL[149]C[ Uberdude 3d : or r6 cut SimbaRules 2k+: does c17 not work? looks like nice gain in sente before white gets b14 in I think if B plays, B15 is better, and C17 doesn't immediately work ] ;W[br]WL[1634]C[overplays when behind?] ;B[cr]BL[106] ;W[dp]WL[1624]C[good move] (;B[do]BL[597] ;W[bp]WL[1620] ;B[bs]BL[596]C[ Uberdude 3d : yay right atari Uberdude 3d : i once did the wrong one in a blitz ] ;W[ar]WL[1597] ;B[aq]BL[595]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: lol ] ;W[cp]WL[1595] ;B[dr]BL[594] ;W[er]WL[1593] ;B[ds]BL[593]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: white ended up achieving very little out of a super, super thick position ] ;W[fm]WL[1519] ;B[fn]BL[592]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: territory op ] (;W[el]WL[1495] ;B[em]BL[590] ;W[gl]WL[1493] ;B[eo]BL[541]C[looks like I was still playing alright since I found this move! now B6 is not sente!] (;W[bf]WL[1435]C[ Uberdude 3d : yeah that was probably daniel's plan from ag zero huge move, something like over 10 point reverse sente] ;B[bg]BL[539] ;W[be]WL[1432] ;B[mk]BL[534]C[ Uberdude 3d : still i feel w could have done better, but hard to say where but this might be an even bigger move?] ;W[oe]WL[1376] ;B[of]BL[475]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: i'm just glad I finally killed a wall from an early 3-3 invasion SimbaRules 2k+: still don't really understand why it's meant to be so good... ] (;W[pe]WL[1349] ;B[qe]BL[472] ;W[ml]WL[1290] ;B[lk]BL[459]C[ Uberdude 3d : it's not good, just not bad ] ;W[mp]WL[1220]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Hahaha. I guess I mean I don't really understand why it's even. ] ;B[ll]BL[440]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: I always get a crap result as the 3-3 side and vow to stop doing it. SimbaRules 2k+: it's something new and fun to play around with though ] ;W[bh]WL[1172]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: And when you play bad people they just connect when you peep the wall lol. Uberdude 3d : if you recall alphago likes kosumi approach Uberdude 3d : inseong did a nice lecture on it SimbaRules 2k+: Kosumi approach to what? Uberdude 3d : everything SimbaRules 2k+: Like, shoulder hitting, you mean? Uberdude 3d : shoulder hit, armpit hit SimbaRules 2k+: ahhh SimbaRules 2k+: yeah Uberdude 3d : many places aitkensam 4d?: anyone counted? SimbaRules 2k+: I thought you meant like shoulder-hitting a 3-4 or something lol SimbaRules 2k+: B looks good Uberdude 3d : so i think that local shape love might explain it a bit SimbaRules 2k+: But it could swing. ] ;B[fc]BL[314]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Hmm, really? That's such a general shape to be playing such a decisive move from. SimbaRules 2k+: Though I guess if it's 'about even' and it really likes shoulder/armpit hits. SimbaRules 2k+: Then maybe that's enough to swing it. Uberdude 3d : yeah, it's just a small part, i tihnk the way walls that don't have eyes can be weak is more important SimbaRules 2k+: Still was interesting that Zero thought the same though. Uberdude 3d : and how strong it is at invading SimbaRules 2k+: And yeah, indeed. ] ;W[cg]WL[1083]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: lol yes SimbaRules 2k+: Zero's invading makes me not want to play for the centre anymore. SimbaRules 2k+: 'cause moyo = 0 points apparently. SimbaRules 2k+: it's kind of impressive in itself, like, even to do that to a 1d SimbaRules 2k+: But then you realise it's vs Master, lol. SimbaRules 2k+: crazy good mumps 3d : Only if you can live like it! ] ;B[qn]BL[246]C[ Uberdude 3d : http://www.alphago-games.com/view/eventname/agzero_vs_aglee/game/3/move/50 no idea why W didn't play S7 when he had the chance, that's a free point difference ] ;W[qo]WL[1073] ;B[pn]BL[246] ;W[po]WL[1072] ;B[pl]BL[245]C[ Uberdude 3d : i like this living, so clear and easy Uberdude 3d : makes AG Lee look like a noob SimbaRules 2k+: lol SimbaRules 2k+: this looks like Daniel in the lower left Uberdude 3d : and then you go back to the Lee match and remember the crushing power of game 3 aitkensam 4d?: hehe i remember this living, was one of my fave sequences from all the games SimbaRules 2k+: mmm ] ;W[sc]WL[1021] ;B[rd]BL[241]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Subconsciously now AlphaGo Lee is the 'bad one'. SimbaRules 2k+: Easy to forget how strong it actually is/was. Uberdude 3d : yup aitkensam 4d?: did anyone count the win loss records between zero/lee, zero/master? SimbaRules 2k+: it'll be interesting to see the pro go scene in about 10 years, when they get players who mostly learnt from bots at the top SimbaRules 2k+: I think it won 89% vs Master or something like that? FrenchDude 3d?: hm, q15 was pretty bad Uberdude 3d : in that game though i wonder should AG Lee have connected for 45 Uberdude 3d : you lose some side but corner alive and then moyo is thicker ] ;W[fb]WL[905]C[ Uberdude 3d : in published 20 master won 3 SimbaRules 2k+: of course he shouldn't have connected SimbaRules 2k+: there is a 3-3 invasion just sat there waiting to happen SimbaRules 2k+: obviously correct SimbaRules 2k+: ;) Uberdude 3d : i mean mv 45 SimbaRules 2k+: yep SimbaRules 2k+: I was meaning r17 for 45, haha Uberdude 3d : ah =) ] ;B[od]BL[141] ;W[ne]WL[898] ;B[na]BL[138] ;W[oa]WL[894] ;B[ma]BL[135] ;W[kd]WL[891] ;B[jd]BL[134] ;W[kc]WL[882] (;B[jj]BL[106]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: something like m6 is looking big, before white blocks it off ] ;W[hi]WL[870] ;B[ln]BL[94]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: yay, +1 ] ;W[gb]WL[858]C[ aitkensam 4d?: next round is Germany :s ] ;B[hg]BL[548] ;W[if]WL[854] ;B[dg]BL[527]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: I'm ready to steal some 5d's rating points... ] ;W[gc]WL[844] ;B[hb]BL[525]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: ... theoretically ] ;W[ch]WL[833] ;B[dh]BL[522] ;W[np]WL[761]C[ aitkensam 4d?: so far they fielded 8 6d, 1 5d, 3 4d, so you might not get a 5d :p ] ;B[ns]BL[496] ;W[bi]WL[750]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: 4d would still be nice SimbaRules 2k+: not sure how good the guy tonight was, I felt my first two opponents were stronger ] ;B[lo]BL[426]C[ aitkensam 4d?: your guy said to me that he had to play on a phone Uberdude 3d : turkey was weak team apart from denis aitkensam 4d?: not sure if that's normal ] ;W[lp]WL[724]C[ aitkensam 4d?: but could have affected him Uberdude 3d : emre is decent Uberdude 3d : i was 1-1 vs him Uberdude 3d : and fatih is 3d but this time 1-2ds SimbaRules 2k+: My opponent was playing on a phone? Ouch. afar 2d+: It's also quite late in Turkey SimbaRules 2k+: He didn't get into overtime though to be fair. SimbaRules 2k+: I guess that explains why he was quite slow sometimes. ] ;B[jh]BL[346] ;W[ih]WL[711]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Is Emre the same person as Denis? aitkensam 4d?: no SimbaRules 2k+: Who's Emre? aitkensam 4d?: a 4-5d who didnt play SimbaRules 2k+: ahhh ] ;B[ji]BL[247]C[ aitkensam 4d?: looks like daniel has it almost wrapped up now Uberdude 3d : denis is french (and played for them last year) but turkish dad or something Uberdude 3d : so plays for turkey this year Uberdude 3d : he was at BIBA Uberdude 3d : i lost by hlaf point to him at egc Uberdude 3d : after endgmae blunder after no lunch after 6 hours ] ;W[fd]WL[605] ;B[hh]BL[204]C[ Uberdude 3d : but i think he's got more stronger than me since then ] ;W[pf]WL[526] ;B[pg]BL[203] ;W[nf]WL[522] ;B[og]BL[202] ;W[nk]WL[488] ;B[nj]BL[198] ;W[cl]WL[438] (;B[dm]BL[195]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: I wonder if the EGC will come to the UK anytime soon. SimbaRules 2k+: Any idea when it was last here? Must've been before I started playing. Uberdude 3d : 92? SimbaRules 2k+: Gosh, 25 years. kisekigo 2d?: but we organiser Dublin in 2001 SimbaRules 2k+: Do we not want to host it for some reason? Seems a long time to have not even been offered it. Uberdude 3d : do you know about the ing thingy SimbaRules 2k+: Ing Cup? Uberdude 3d : daniel is organising ] ;W[bm]WL[360]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: hmm, no? ] ;B[bn]BL[193]C[ mumps 3d : I donft think wefve got sufficient volunteers to run it ] ;W[an]WL[352]C[ Uberdude 3d : ing student plus super pros from changqi cu Uberdude 3d : likely to be in Cam next summer ] ;B[bo]BL[171]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: oh wow ] ;W[ap]WL[347] ;B[as]BL[170] ;W[ao]WL[339]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: uh, e1? ] ;B[lr]BL[158] ;W[kr]WL[336] ;B[ls]BL[157] ;W[mq]WL[335] ;B[ms]BL[155]C[ Uberdude 3d : ~120 students plus last 4 of chinese pro tourn ] ;W[ks]WL[333] ;B[op]BL[154]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: that's pretty crazy afar 2d+: Oh, cool Uberdude 3d : i gatecrashed it in bangkok this year SimbaRules 2k+: wonder if Ke Jie will come Uberdude 3d : he got knocked out earlier this year SimbaRules 2k+: ah, damn Uberdude 3d : but could do next year SimbaRules 2k+: Oh I see, this year's cycle is almost over? I gotcha SimbaRules 2k+: Not like qualification for next year Uberdude 3d : this year it was chen yaoye, jiang wijie, gu lingyi and tan xiao iirc Uberdude 3d : right SimbaRules 2k+: Still a pretty nice lineup. ] ;W[km]WL[255] ;B[lm]BL[149]C[ Uberdude 3d : yeah, but hard to find venues this late, but hopefully we can SimbaRules 2k+: roughly when in the year is it? SimbaRules 2k+: oh, summer Uberdude 3d : July? SimbaRules 2k+: hmm, 8 months or so SimbaRules 2k+: 120 students, need something bigger than the Trigantius playing room ] ;W[kg]WL[178] ;B[kh]BL[145]C[ Uberdude 3d : don't think anything official announced yet, hopefully i didn't reveal secrets =) It's probably ok! ] ;W[mg]WL[170] ;B[mh]BL[144] ;W[mf]WL[169] ;B[lh]BL[142]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: I guess the Chinese will pay a good amount though. ] ;W[es]WL[160]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Anything for the right price, sure the colleges would do something. Uberdude 3d : several rooms in university centre should do it Uberdude 3d : colleges are full ] ;B[ko]BL[129]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: mmm ] ;W[kp]WL[157]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: University Centre is nice SimbaRules 2k+: Sonoyama was there when I played in it. ] ;B[cj]BL[589]C[ Uberdude 3d : at least no one college with space for all, so maybe dribs and drabs around the place ] ;W[bj]WL[153] ;B[dc]BL[589]C[ Uberdude 3d : plus some hotel ] ;W[cc]WL[95] ;B[jo]BL[586] ;W[jp]WL[94] ;B[gq]BL[586] ;W[gr]WL[92]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: d17 pretty stylish ] (;B[ok]BL[555]C[poor endgame] (;W[nl]WL[81] ;B[gm]BL[546] ;W[sd]WL[79] ;B[se]BL[544] ;W[ej]WL[567] ;B[di]BL[541] ;W[fi]WL[564] ;B[fh]BL[533] ;W[fj]WL[550]C[ Uberdude 3d : eh g10 better Uberdude 3d : oh this sente too Uberdude 3d : ok this nice trick I was almost tricked, I missed this, but G7 may still be correct] ;B[gh]BL[485] ;W[kl]WL[529] ;B[ga]BL[437] ;W[fa]WL[522] ;B[ha]BL[434] ;W[kk]WL[518] ;B[kj]BL[432] ;W[sm]WL[501] ;B[sl]BL[430] ;W[sn]WL[500]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: seems close ] ;B[on]BL[355] ;W[mn]WL[462] ;B[mo]BL[353] ;W[no]WL[461] ;B[mm]BL[352]C[ aitkensam 4d?: nah b++ ] ;W[nm]WL[457] ;B[jk]BL[339] ;W[om]WL[449] ;B[pm]BL[338]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: yeah, I think he has it, maybe 4.5 or something. ] ;W[fl]WL[430]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: D15's pretty huge, relatively, at least. ] ;B[fe]BL[329] ;W[db]WL[422] ;B[fc]BL[324] ;W[ja]WL[418] ;B[jb]BL[321] ;W[fd]WL[417] ;B[qa]BL[318] ;W[ra]WL[415] ;B[fc]BL[318] ;W[qg]WL[415]C[ aitkensam 4d?: 12-0 is quite good start to the season :) SimbaRules 2k+: lol yes ] ;B[rf]BL[297] ;W[fd]WL[409]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Maybe we just got a good early draw though. ] ;B[rs]BL[598] ;W[sr]WL[407] ;B[fc]BL[597] ;W[nh]WL[405]C[ Uberdude 3d : first 2 matches were medium i'd say SimbaRules 2k+: I haven't looked much into the other teams compared to one another other than noticing Germany and one other are much better. ] ;B[oh]BL[584]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Maybe Sweden it was? ] ;W[fd]WL[402]C[ Uberdude 3d : this was easy Uberdude 3d : apart from board 1 ] ;B[bl]BL[574] ;W[am]WL[397] ;B[fc]BL[573]C[ Uberdude 3d : harder to come ] ;W[oi]WL[390] ;B[ni]BL[572] ;W[fd]WL[389]C[ aitkensam 4d?: germany and netherlands seem hardest Uberdude 3d : netherlands Uberdude 3d : austria decent too ] ;B[de]BL[547]C[ Uberdude 3d : viktor is a good 6d ] ;W[fc]WL[594]C[ Uberdude 3d : and lothar 5d ] ;B[cq]BL[545]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Not heard of Lothar but I've heard of Viktor doing well in big tournaments. ] ;W[jl]WL[576]C[ aitkensam 4d?: lothar hasnt been playing much though ] ;B[jn]BL[544] ;W[jm]WL[573] ;B[kn]BL[543] ;W[hj]WL[571] ;B[jg]BL[542]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: dame lol ] ;W[ij]WL[565]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Almost like it's European. :) ] ;B[la]BL[540] ;W[nb]WL[562] ;B[gj]BL[538] ;W[dj]WL[560]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Are we meant to fill the dame in? ] ;B[hf]BL[536] ;W[oc]WL[558]C[ SimbaRules 2k+: Can't remember what the rules say on this. aitkensam 4d?: none of my games were scored yet :p afar 2d+: No, it isn't necessary SimbaRules 2k+: b9 almost, lol ] ;B[]BL[491] ;W[]WL[556] ;B[]BL[491]C[ mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ R13 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ P11 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ B13 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ K19 mathmo 5d : mathmo dead @ B8 mathmo done ] ;TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][qa][sa][ab][bb][cb][ac][bc][dc][ad][bd][cd][ld][ae][af][ag][bg][ah][ai][aj][ak][bk][al][bl][so][ip][iq][jq][kq][fr][hr][ir][jr][fs][gs][hs][is][js]TB[ia][ja][ka][ic][qd][re][ef][sf][eg][fg][gg][qg][rg][sg][eh][nh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ki][li][mi][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][lj][mj][pj][rj][sj][pk][rk][sk][ql][qm][cn][dn][en][gn][fo][go][oq][pq][ar][br][or][cs][os][ps]OS[Butterfly][CRdQpfhK][FrenchDude][JeffChang][Karmalia][Mercian][OysterQuay][Rosewooder][SimbaRules][Uberdude][abc111927][afar][aitkensam][akatetsu][akuntay][gopard][hm22011][hogweed][hwspan][kisekigo][marek][miao][mumps][mzeroq][rikky][robinn2][wajin]) (;W[om] ;B[pm] ;W[ej] ;B[di] ;W[fi] ;B[fh] ;W[fj] ;B[gh] ;W[gm]C[W gets last big endgame])) (;B[om]C[this seems better])) (;B[bm]C[interesting option. I berated myself for not seeing this, but I think the game was clearly better for me as the point count is similar but this takes gote ] ;W[dm] ;B[bo] ;W[ap] ;B[as] ;W[en] ;B[gn] ;W[bl] ;B[dn])) (;B[ln] ;W[lm]C[this is a bit scary] ;B[jj] ;W[kk])) (;W[sc] ;B[re] ;W[pe] ;B[pf]C[the endgame is pretty similar between these two, but T17 was probably better by a point or more])) (;W[nj] ;B[ni] ;W[mj] ;B[ok] ;W[nl] ;B[li] ;W[bf])) (;W[em]C[W would love to, but it doesn't work] ;B[el])) (;B[cq]C[I wanted to play here, but decided the aji of F6 and B6 made it not worth it])) (;W[nf]C[obviously here is best] ;B[og] ;W[of] ;B[pf]C[life in sente])) (;B[sp]C[I suppose this is better, I didn't think all that much] ;W[so] ;B[qs] ;W[or] ;B[rs] ;W[sr] ;B[sp] ;W[sr]C[I suppose W still can't do this] ;B[qn])) (;B[if] ;W[ig] ;B[hf] ;W[kh]C[I felt like I didn't want to give W this option as this means that I'm not really threatening the top right W group as O13 etc is sente]) (;B[na]C[if try to kill directly] ;W[oa] ;B[ma] ;W[mf] (;B[oe] ;W[mg]) (;B[mg] ;W[od] ;B[oe] ;W[ng] ;B[nh] ;W[of] ;B[oh] ;W[md] ;B[kc] ;W[ne]))) (;W[on]C[shape])) (;W[rl] ;B[qn]C[pretty big for B to defend this group after M3])) (;W[og]C[W really needs to defend that cut somehow])) (;B[rc]C[surely this is correct]) (;B[jq]C[locally I didn't dare to go this far so I delayed playing here] ;W[lq])) (;W[pg]C[it's really important to make some territory in the centre I think])) (;W[ke]C[not very good either] ;B[ie] ;W[if] ;B[hf] ;W[fc] ;B[ib])) (;W[nd]C[surely here is shape especially given what happened later])) (;W[kb] ;B[kc] ;W[mb] ;B[ld] ;W[mc] ;B[md]C[K14 looks silly])) (;W[gf]C[is this possible?] ;B[ge] ;W[fg] ;B[ef] ;W[hf] ;B[fc] ;W[gd] ;B[hd] ;W[he] ;B[gc] ;W[ge] ;B[cc] ;W[cd] ;B[bc] ;W[dc] ;B[cb] ;W[bd] ;B[bf] ;W[ab]C[what is going on here?]) (;W[hd]C[this seems more shapey])) (;W[fc] ;B[ec] ;W[db] ;B[bd] ;W[dc] ;B[be])) (;W[ed]C[possible I think, I wasn't sure where my follow up was since as before, my upper left side group isn't solid either]) (;W[gb]C[also shape, but slack in centre?] ;B[ed] ;W[ec] ;B[he]C[it is hard for W to cut now])) (;B[hf]C[the shape remains pretty bad] ;W[ff] ;B[hh]) (;B[ge]C[leela says. I was too scared of the cut but] ;W[gd] ;B[hd] ;W[he] ;B[je] ;W[hf] ;B[ig] ;W[ff] ;B[nc])) (;W[ff]C[perhaps this is a more important point]) (;W[pb]C[leela says] ;B[qb] ;W[rb] ;B[qc] ;W[nd])) (;W[kc]C[leela says this is much better])) (;B[pb]C[taking territory seems more natural, and I strongly considered it, but somewhat randomly decided against] ;W[oc] ;B[pc] ;W[kc] ;B[md] ;W[ff]C[note this is also a key point as the B group is not alive at all])) (;W[qk]C[this might feel better?])) (;W[fh] ;B[ff]C[leela says] ;W[fi] ;B[ge])) (;W[nq]C[he didn't dare to try to get this exchange in?] ;B[il] ;W[jl] ;B[jk] ;W[kl] ;B[kk] ;W[lk] ;B[ji]C[probably W is too weak?]) (;W[fh] ;B[fi] ;W[ff]C[leela says])) (;B[il]C[initially I thought I was going to push and cut, but then decided that W lives too easily like that] ;W[jl] ;B[jk] ;W[kl] ;B[kk] ;W[lk] ;B[ji] ;W[fm] ;B[fn] ;W[em] ;B[en] ;W[dm]C[I'm not sure]) (;B[cl] ;W[fm]C[this clamp remains a big issue (when W has J8)] ;B[bk]C[but B's shape is a lot tighter here, so I'm not sure]) (;B[nq]C[leela says only move 57.0%])) (;W[el]C[leela says only move])) (;B[io]C[probably I should continue, I didn't really know leela says "duh, obv" at 58.8%] ;W[ji]C[leela says] ;B[iq] ;W[hr] ;B[bq] ;W[jq] ;B[ip] ;W[ir] ;B[nc]) (;B[ge]C[58.3])) (;W[el]C[leela says 55:45 in my favour] ;B[hp] ;W[iq])) (;W[en] ;B[cm]C[think master] ;W[dm] ;B[cl] ;W[dl] ;B[bk] ;W[bl] ;B[bm] ;W[bj] ;B[al] ;W[cj])) (;W[cg] ;B[dj]C[very similar to one of the master games])) (;W[gq] ;B[cf]C[see master]))