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Post #1 Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:31 pm 
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Guys,

is there a decent archive of that site anywhere? I keep finding link to some of their old articles, but they're broken. IIRC, they sidestepped a bit from the public side of Go, but until some time ago there was still some information (and yet I already missed some things). There seems to be some Indonesian intro material, now, but nothing else.

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Post #2 Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:01 pm 
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I don't know. If you hve facebook, you might contact Kim Ouweleen. He is a Dutch 4d who was the main contributor back in the day.

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Post #3 Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:48 pm 
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Internet archive, e.g https://web.archive.org/web/20160313032 ... lee-sedol/

Gennan, think you are mixing up with badukmovies, gogameguru was An Younggil and David Ormerod.

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Post #4 Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:57 pm 
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Their video commentaries are available on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/gogameguru/videos


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Post #5 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:18 am 
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Internet archive, e.g https://web.archive.org/web/20160313032 ... lee-sedol/

Gennan, think you are mixing up with badukmovies, gogameguru was An Younggil and David Ormerod.


Ah, yes. Sorry.

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:23 am 
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It's been a while since I tried, but is the web.archive of that site complete? I seem to recall some voids last time I tried, but maybe I just missed something. I've used web-archive so seldom over the years that I haven't gotten used to it, And it keeps archiving more and more completely.

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:40 am 
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Ferran wrote:
Guys,

is there a decent archive of that site anywhere? I keep finding link to some of their old articles, but they're broken. IIRC, they sidestepped a bit from the public side of Go, but until some time ago there was still some information (and yet I already missed some things). There seems to be some Indonesian intro material, now, but nothing else.

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More than sidestepped - outright disappered, due to litigations. Even stopped answering calls from friendly voices.

Very sad story, overly enthusiastic and not experienced, they expanded into distribution of goods which comes with money, storage, shipment, stock ...

The site has sine been captured for non-go purposes.

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Post #8 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:27 am 
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https://web.archive.org/web/20180807220 ... eguru.com/
https://archive.org/details/relentless_ ... 1/mode/2up


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Post #9 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:14 am 
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Litigations? Anything go content creators should watch out for?

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Post #10 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:31 am 
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Knotwilg wrote:
https://archive.org/details/relentless_201607/page/n11/mode/2up


Oh, wow. I never knew it'd been released.

EDIT: This post is the one I recalled about sidestepping. It's quirky because about the same time I read basically the same thing about a togishi store. Sorry to hear there was legalese involved.

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Post #11 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:01 am 
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Litigations? Anything go content creators should watch out for?


No no, if only they had stuck to providing online content. It was the retail that suffocated them. I don't know exactly what went to court but at least the owners of "Het Paard" are upset about some stock for which they were never paid or an investment which was never returned. As said, very sad story, because David Ormerod is one of the nicest guys ever.

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Post #12 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:07 pm 
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I see. Yes, it's a pity. The site was an excellent go resource in English.

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Post #13 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:18 am 
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Okay. Sorry to bother again, but I can't seem to find it. Does anyone know if there's a LaTeX file of the 'Relentless' book available?

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Post #14 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:18 am 
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Ferran, you don't need to apologise so much.

Don't replay, "Ok, sorry". :)

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Post #15 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:40 am 
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Ferran wrote:
Okay. Sorry to bother again, but I can't seem to find it. Does anyone know if there's a LaTeX file of the 'Relentless' book available?

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You could buy it online: https://www.amazon.com/Relentless-Lee-S ... 0981912184

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Post #16 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:51 am 
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Ferran, you don't need to apologise so much.

Don't replay, "Ok, sorry". :)


But... but... butbutbut...

You have my permission to think of me as a 2-stroke slow engine.

I prefer to overapologize, much specially online with people who've never seen my face. It avoids flame wars that go on weeks after the misunderstanding has been resolved by the main parties.

Kirby, I'd love to. Not a good moment, on several levels. Not at 60 USD, my current level, my backlog... many things. I think I almost bought it back then [2017?], and I think that's when I bought Invincible, but I can't seem to find the order. But, also, what I want is to use the TeX file. I already have the PDF, and a laser printer. That's not it; I don't think I'm even going to be able to read it, for a while; not beyond flavor browsing. But I'm fighting with LaTeX at the moment and that would be a good option. I first met TeX, mainly via CompSci and Go, back in the mod 90s, kinda was one of the reasons to quit Windows, and then switched to LyX. Also... I'm having an idea about it, but first I have to finish something else. Two something elses.

Anyhow, for several reasons, what I want is the TeX. Not need, but it would be good to have.

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Post #17 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:14 pm 
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There's also problems and game commentaries archived on GitHub.

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...overly enthusiastic and not experienced...

This is a harsh judgement! Online retail is a brutally competitive industry at the best of times. And it's next to impossible to make money out of go in the English speaking world. What David, Jing and Younggil achieved through GGG is truly remarkable. I don't imagine a more experienced or less enthusiastic team doing any better!

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...David Ormerod is one of the nicest guys ever.

Can't agree more. I've been lucky to meet him in person through the Australian tournament scene. He's always been kind and patient with beginners, ready to help anyone who wants to learn more about go.


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Post #18 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:43 pm 
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xela wrote:

Knotwilg wrote:
...overly enthusiastic and not experienced...

This is a harsh judgement!


I wanted to sound apologetic rather than harsh. They truly achieved remarkable things but maybe overstretched themselves in their enthusiasm to spread the love for Go through a business paradigm.

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Post #19 Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:36 am 
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xela wrote:


a) Thanks.
b) I found one of the copies I've downloaded [*] of Go on Go, in TeX.

Then checking several sites... How is it that Relentless (CC) and Go on Go (GPL) are not more widely linked? Relentless' files, for example, are not mentioned on SL's "Online books" or it's own page, and 'Go on Go' isn't in OGS's resources' page. [+] There seems to be a decent Intro trove of public information, a bit for DDK... and it plummets from there.

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[*] I've downloaded that book, and lost it, more times than I can count. You might say (there's more to it, but...) I forwent Windows after fighting TeX and PS because of it, and others. Although maybe I'm wrong and I'm mixing things, because it was before 1999.

[+] I think I didn't find Relentless before, either, but it seems to be there now. Either I was off, or it got put recently.

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Post #20 Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:57 pm 
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How is it that Relentless (CC) and Go on Go (GPL) are not more widely linked? Relentless' files, for example, are not mentioned on SL's "Online books" or it's own page


Easy to fix.

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