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Post #221 Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:25 pm 
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...I'm still thinking about this, though.

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Post #222 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:59 am 
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[go]$$Wcm38 :b15: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 0 . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . X 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . 5 . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 1 3 . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . . X W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So many choices, and I can't see anything spectacular, so I'm going to sacrifice on the left to keep up the attack. It should give me some aji for the endgame on the left as well.

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Post #223 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:31 am 
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Now I can't rember all the reading I did. :lol:

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Post #224 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:25 am 
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...I can't see anything spectacular, so I'm going to sacrifice on the left...


If this logic is good, then the move is good. :scratch:

But my first reaction is that white has some bad aji on the left: in particular they still owe a move around B4/B5. Playing to abandon the left not only gives them an easy 15 points, it is aji keshi.

I don't like it. :grumpy:


I must read some more.

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Post #225 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:37 am 
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Just so you all know, I'm starting uni on monday (and moving there on saturday) so my move rate might be slow for a while. I'm sure I'll be able to make time for it but things will be a little hectic at first. :salute:

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Post #226 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:38 am 
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Just so you all know, I'm starting uni on monday (and moving there on saturday) so my move rate might be slow for a while. I'm sure I'll be able to make time for it but things will be a little hectic at first. :salute:


Hehehe...it is time to make a really complicated position. :twisted:

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Post #227 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:41 am 
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Initial feeling is 3 points incoming - seems like black should have extended from the other stone in the crosscut, now we can just capture that? Well, if Joaz approves, I 'll have to try to read more too :D

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Post #228 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:46 pm 
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...I can't see anything spectacular...


Younger brother must be jaded. :lol:

This:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . X .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O X .
$$ | . . 1 X O .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .[/go]

...looks spectacular to me.

I see it as this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . O O X .
$$ | . . X X O .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .[/go]

...with two extra stones.

Sure, they have the move in a symmetrical position, but that is ONE move. We have TWO extra stones. That is a net advantage to us.
My initial reading shows that we kill in almost all variations. :rambo:

I have to read a bit to make sure that there is no freak variation that subverts the general principle, but barring that, I'm going to disapprove and move the stone as indicated.


Besides, I'm really pleased with D9, and my ego can't just let it go. :-?

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Post #229 Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:21 pm 
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For reasons noted in my previous 4 or 5 posts, I disapprove.

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[go]$$Wcm38 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X C . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . 0 X 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #230 Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:00 am 
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It looks like this might revert to the position shown in my previous post except without the F11 G12 exchange. That obviously favours black, but there's some reason I thought he had to defend that cut so I'm going to do some reading before I continue.

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Post #231 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:10 pm 
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So both me and skydyr thought that black needed to defend that cut, but Joaz thinks otherwise? I'm getting my board out for some serious reading and we'll see about this! :twisted:

P.s. This is deliberately not in hide tags. :razz:

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Post #232 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:24 pm 
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So both me and skydyr thought that black needed to defend that cut, but Joaz thinks otherwise? I'm getting my board out for some serious reading and we'll see about this! :twisted:

P.s. This is deliberately not in hide tags. :razz:


I'm sure Joaz has a killer sequence 15 moves deep that will completely destroy your potential there. The only trick is the 45 points it'll cost our side to play it :p


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Post #233 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:06 pm 
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I'm going for it!

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[go]$$Wcm48 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Conditional move:

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[go]$$Wcm48 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 2 . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thoughts:

I really think Joaz has made a mistake here. The key is that after this sequence:

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[go]$$Wcm1 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . 4 1 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W W X 2 . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The marked white stones appear dead, but they're actually not.

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[go]$$Wcm1 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O # # . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . 3 B B W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


None of my reading shows a way in which this ends well for black. He's been split in to two incredibly weak groups and that means white's cutting stone is in no danger. It also means that my weak group on the top is now relatively safe.


I'll leave you with my favourite sequence from all my reading.

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[go]$$Bcm1 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X 3 . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 5 4 1 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X 1 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 3 O 5 2 . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's nice to dream. :D


May the best player(s) win. :salute:

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Post #234 Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:29 am 
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Quite busy for the rest of the week. Will try to get to this on Sunday, probably not earlier. Sorry. Intrepid, if you are reading, same thing for our game.

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Post #235 Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:46 am 
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So both me and skydyr thought that black needed to defend that cut, but Joaz thinks otherwise? I'm getting my board out for some serious reading and we'll see about this! :twisted:

P.s. This is deliberately not in hide tags. :razz:


I'm sure Joaz has a killer sequence 15 moves deep that will completely destroy your potential there. The only trick is the 45 points it'll cost our side to play it :p


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

45 points??? I have more faith in you than that.

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Post #236 Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:02 pm 
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Tried to post this yesterday, but internet connection died. Happily I managed to retrieve the message content.

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[go]$$Wcm48 :b18: :w15:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . 1 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sadly we can't atari and cut IMHO, it has too big an effect on top. After :b3: below, we'll have to use :w4: to stop the ladder of marked stone and :w2: , and then black will play :b5:, which captures the three marked white stones (or if we insist on saving them, we will just lose even more stones above.). Letting black capture those three stones seems really bad to me, our stones above will then be under severe attack.

There are multiple options for :w4:, bot none of them seem cabable of avoiding the above scenario.
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[go]$$Bcm1 :b18: :w12:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O X W W W 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X 3 . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X W 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Chosen move threatens to capture the two black stones without giving black the attack on top, making black's last move wasted. Can't see a really good answer for black, lets see what they come up with :)

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Post #237 Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:12 am 
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I guess we'll never know... :D

I really want to read that hide tag. I can't say I'm surprised there's something I overlooked, but this is different from all the other corrections in that I thought this was the "correct" move.


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Post #238 Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:51 am 
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Now I am confused. It seems to me that it all relevant variations, white had to play E11 sooner or later. Obviously, Tim82 disagrees.
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
I must look again.

But he does agree with me that C9/D9 are important. Otherwise he would not have paid three stones to hane them.

The next move is fairly obvious. We have to hane at B8.
Err..well...we have to sooner or later. But interposing B10 or E8 first may be needed.

When all is said and done, the important thing here is not that we get the exact correct move, but that younger brother comes to the realization that we have bet the farm on the D9/C9 group. Surely he will see this soon. I paid three stones each to play them. And Tim82 recognizes how important they are, for he just paid three stones to hane them.

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Post #239 Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm48 :b18: :w15:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . 1 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc 7 at 1, 8 at 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | 6 2 5 9 . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 1 O O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | 4 W X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's this lovely tombstone I can see in the future...

I don't see a way for white to ignore it as black can capture the two white stones in a ladder so long as he isn't in atari, and it should fix up the cut that white has been aiming at so that the two black stones can be pulled out as necessary.

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Post #240 Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:53 am 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . 6 8 . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 1 O O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . W X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This gets more complicated...

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