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Post #41 Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:19 pm 
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Just a comment, move tomorrow.
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[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . z O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 y X X O , c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Argh, I'm pretty much divided. I want to play a, but that would leave the white group still under attack.
b would give us one eye down here, or at least a way to make one to the right.
c, attacking the corner also looks interesting...

z and y seemed interesting, but from what I've read, black has good replies to both.

So I'm going to think more about this tomorrow.

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Post #42 Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:39 pm 
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Man... I knew that someone would try to get fancy... what is it with people and not wanting to eliminate bad aji?

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[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The aji at a is so bad...why didn't Jordus just capture one stone??? It's such a simple move and fixes all our problems, and then we become stupidly thick. White's forced to connect out, and black stays in control of the game. Now we have this burden to worry about later on, after black links up at b and c.


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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O b X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X a . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 1 X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Also, what's up with this move? A is such a necessary move, creating cutting points in white's shape. Was he scared to do this, because he didn't read it to the end? Even if we lose the corner, cutting at b is super big.


Man, I'm frustrated... we have white in such an uncomfortable position and we just let it slip through our fingers.... E9 is sticking out like a sore thumb as such a bad exchange... I'd be aiming to invade now that we're thick, but I guess we can't do that anymore either.

Blah... this game's starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth... I think our only remaining option is to grab territory everywhere, at the 3-3's, since the center isn't easy to make into anything at all, thanks to the E9 exchange...

Man... I wanted there to be fighting, but it looks like we're just going to slink away and grab territory.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:26 am 
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Oh, crap. I think we lost what little advantage we had. I expect this now (not sure where is best for 51):

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[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 1 3 X X O , 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 2 O 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For the record, I think cutting at 50 would have been best for 47. I thought Jordus might capture instead, which is worse for us, but this 47 is worse still, because white gets 48 in sente.

Of course there's now a chance for a mistake from white, too-- we'll see what happens.

Hm, would magicwand really play 50 above? I think he may try to destroy our corner instead. I wonder if Violence will give up the three stones to protect the corner?

If we'd cut at 50, white would probably have to play panic moves to get eyes. That's always good for us. :(

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Post #44 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:13 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm48 Move 48 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The main reason I'm playing this is that I don't like the following result, if I played a or b.
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[go]$$Wcm48 Bad result
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 . , X . X X O , a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O b X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not that sure about our group living, but it seems that there is still enough potential for it. Hope I'm not screwing it up.

This aims at playing something like 50 later.
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[go]$$Wcm48 Later
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . 3 . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:22 pm 
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Wow, amazing! Lucky break! White sees black's bad move and raises! My mind is boggled, I can't even see anything on this board except the corner! Seems it's a real blind spot around 9k. Violence is totally going to cut at P3. Advantage to us again. The mistakes are really canceling out in this game, it's amazing.

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Post #46 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:23 pm 
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Gee, as a weaker player remind me to not participate in one of these complain-a-thons. Aren't the stronger players meant to have some kind of special endurance gland?

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Post #47 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:34 pm 
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Phelan wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm48 Move 48 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hehe, awesome stuff. This game rocks. I feel rather better about my move now. I think I'm going to take a slight change of tack with future moves and comments - this game is clearly going to be enlightening to all involved, especially if the stronger players make efforts to explain why some things are more urgent than others. I'll try to do my part, and hopefully magicwand will do his!

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Post #48 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:31 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm49 Move 49 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thank god for kyu mistakes... it's like white was engaged in a fistfight with his opponent, and then held his hand up in the middle and went off to get a Pepsi from a nearby soda machine.

Now, we should take control.


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Post #49 Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:33 pm 
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Violence, did you forget what side you were on? lol :mrgreen: your white 48 should be black 49 no?

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My thoughts on the recent moves:
I think the 48 that was played can be considered game losing:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . a O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O W X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move is absolutely vital. It keeps the big White dragon out of the red zone, hurts Q3, and also gives more aji for 'a'. After White plays at 'b' and Black plays at the marked stone, the lower corner is larger, 'a' becomes less of a problem, and more importantly the big White dragon is now in trouble. I don't think I've ever seen such a move that has as much momentum as this one. It'll be interesting to see how White handles from here.

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Post #51 Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:27 am 
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My thoughts on the recent moves:
I think the 48 that was played can be considered game losing:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . a O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O W X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move is absolutely vital. It keeps the big White dragon out of the red zone, hurts Q3, and also gives more aji for 'a'. After White plays at 'b' and Black plays at the marked stone, the lower corner is larger, 'a' becomes less of a problem, and more importantly the big White dragon is now in trouble. I don't think I've ever seen such a move that has as much momentum as this one. It'll be interesting to see how White handles from here.

The big question is going to be what happens with the fight for that big dragon. So far black seems to have resulted the best from the slack plays. Do you think this is mostly just because Violence is the first one to get to play after the weaker players?

Also in response to singular: I don't really see this as a complain-a-thon. When you get into these fights and slack plays get made that really swing the game one direction or another, the stronger players are going to have some thing to say about it. Like topazg mentioned, hopefully they can put together some good commentary so when the weaker players get a chance to go back through, they should be able to learn from their mistake. And I say this as some one who would be making all of these mistakes -- and I'd definitely be interested in playing one of these in the future.

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Post #52 Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:16 am 
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Hehe, yes well don't get me wrong - I might have posted hastily. I too would like to play one day, but I would be afraid that the stronger players might let their disappointments show a bit too much, rather than just giving cool-headed instruction and leading by example. :) A fault of my expectations I think. *re-wires brain*

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This is a wonderful example of urgent before big. The game has completely transformed with Violences last move:

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[go]$$Wcm48 A big ol' group fight!
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . W . W W X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X W X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . W X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . W . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . @ X W W . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . a @ # W . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . # # W , c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . W b B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position, the majority of the game revolves around the marked stones, split loosely into 4 groups. The circled White stones are immensely heavy, and must be settled asap really. There is reasonable aji in the squared White stones, but there's nothing they can do just yet. The circled Black stones are potentially very important, but very thin, and as corners are important Black wants to save them. The squared Black stones are obviously safe (Jordus' last move should have been at "a" as it kills that bad aji and secures the squared Black stones).

So, how to devise a strategic plan? Change the status of those 4 groups as favourably as possible. If White plays "b", the big dragon is completely settled, safe and happy. What's more, White threatens both "a", threatening to attack the squared Black stones, and also to take the corner. As the corner is so large and White playing "a" seems slightly premature to me, Black will probably play "c" to look after his corner, allowing White to save his crazy unhappy group, keep sente, and take "1" or "a" or some other move as well. Where weak groups exist, especially big ones, group status management is urgent.

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Post #54 Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:57 am 
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[go]$$Wcm50 Move 50 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 1 . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


edited: black 50 to white 50
i have to go to a meeting now..
i will comment later
i am trying to make the game complicated as possible.
if white answer correctly on every move i am in deep trouble.
but i have faith in my opponent's weakest link :)

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Apparently you can't be 4d at go AND diagram editing at the same time :)

P3 should be a black stone and 50 should be a white one, right?

I'll be moving later.

Magicwand thinks it's time to stabilize the white group... I have to see if I can thwart that plan... or make gains elsewhere by assisting it.


EDIT: Current state of the board:

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[go]$$Wcm50 Move 50 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 1 . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still thinking about my move...

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Post #56 Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:39 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Move 50 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O 1 . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W50 is probably intended as a sacrifice to make thickness/connect on the other side of the black stone. I don't think I can ignore it as white will just connect and that will be too good for them.

N11 jumps out at me and I would play it without thinking in a fast game. But here I'll actually do some reading...

...ok, a little reading doesn't show anything obviously wrong with this move. I'm short on time, so I'm gonna go with it. I expect topazg to cut at n12 and I have no idea what Jordus and Phelan will do. I think we're ok if Jordus extends from either stone, which is a proverb, right?

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm52 Move 52 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X 1 O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really wanted to play R5, as it's screaming out to me to be played as it's so big, but last time I did my own thing in this game it went wrong, and magicwand clearly wants to play here, so I'll cut, which really is the only local move this time!

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[go]$$Bcm53 Move 53 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 1 O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm54 Move 54 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I tried to read a few continuations for this:
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[go]$$Wcm54 Continuation 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 2 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wcm54 Continuation 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X 3 X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . 2 . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like the above much, because it gives black definite life, but extending that stone is unreasonable:
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[go]$$Wcm54 Continuation 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 2 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . 1 . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This leaves White with two weak groups, still struggling for life, and Black is still strong.

Jordus, this a Malkovich game, please say what's on your mind when you play your moves...

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[go]$$Bcm55 Move 55 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 1 X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X O X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , X . X X O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Straightforward... if atari'd, connect.

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