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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #341 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:12 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
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i dont have a board so i estimate with my reading,.....
i think you win by 1 point
can you verify that for me?


No, I think you are ahead by 1 on the board, plus komi = 1.5 ahead of me.


really? i thought i was losing 1 point. i think we need to verify to make sure.

i think your ending game was supurb. i didnt find any mistake on your ending game.
you played few sequence of moves that i didnt see at the end and made the game closer than i wanted.
thank you for great game..

after verification 3 stone? i am sure you will win easily but it will be intresting.


Thanks for the end game compliment.

I don't have a program, but when I count what's on the board, I see 62 points for black, and 66 for white. I have three more prisoners than you do, so that puts me at (relatively) 65 points to your 66.

I'd be happy to play again at 3 stones.

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #342 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:29 pm 
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...I'd be happy to play again at 3 stones.


set it up and i will start palying.

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Post #343 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:33 pm 
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I just did Chinese counting on this to not worry about prisoners (after filling dame for both sides) and it comes out W+1.5, so it seems Kirby is right.
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Post #344 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm163 Move 163 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X O O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . X O O . O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O . X X O O O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O B . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . O X X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . X X O O . . . O X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O X . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm just trying to get big points, now...


You never explained this, but why not the marked stone here, instead of the A on top. I figured it would be taken into consideration. Isn't it a sente sequence?

Starting from black h11, w j12, f11, g10, f12.. Isn't this connection too big to let black get?

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #345 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm163 Move 163 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X O O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . X O O . O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O . X X O O O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O . O B . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . O X X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . X X O O . . . O X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O X . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm just trying to get big points, now...


You never explained this, but why not the marked stone here, instead of the A on top. I figured it would be taken into consideration. Isn't it a sente sequence?

Starting from black h11, w j12, f11, g10, f12.. Isn't this connection too big to let black get?


Yes, better than game, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #346 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:57 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
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...I'd be happy to play again at 3 stones.


set it up and i will start palying.


Sure thing. I'll probably set it up in about 24 hours.

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Post #347 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:30 am 
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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #348 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:38 am 
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some comment about my mistake.
marked white stone should have been played at 'a'
it cost me 1 point and in close game it means alot.

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[go]$$Wc Move # idontcare - Prisoners: B=5, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . X X X X O a O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . W , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . X X O O X X . X O O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . X . X X O O X . X O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . X X X O O X X O O O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . X O X O . X O . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O X O O O . . O O O X X . O X X O |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . O X X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . O X X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . O X X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . X X O O . . . O X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . O X . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #349 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:02 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . 9 . 3 1 7 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . 4 X 2 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(snip)


I always feel like this corner is much better for white unless black already has stones further down the right side. Am I crazy?


This could be true - I definitely prefer it when I have lower black influence of some kind.

During the game, I also considered N17. What would you play from this board position (this question is for anybody)?

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #350 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:05 am 
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Everybody: Was S15 better than O3?

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Post #351 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:08 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 0 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


looks pretty dangerous for me. Magicwand can sacrifice his stone, and I get all clumped up. He has some strength on the right side, so I don't like this.


This looks good for black to me. Maybe connecting now after 10 is best, but consider that if you don't connect and instead develop black 1,7,9 (I'm not sure what's best, but maybe P9?) you're looking pretty good I think.


Is this true? Is this good for black? I felt like black was clumped up this way.

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Post #352 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:12 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
i can compare my playing style with chicken game.
two cars facing each others and chicken will fold.
i said you play yours i think my moyo is bigger!
is he going to play chicken and invade?
or he will say what i get over here is big and i am satisfied!

below is the variation i have in mind after he invade and i get sente.
it will build another huge moyo. and he will be even deeper in the snow.
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[go]$$Wc Move 28 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X 3 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Magicwand: What should I have played here, after your move?

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Post #353 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:14 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
some helpful hint.
do not waste your aji unless you read the move completely.
he waste 4 point sente aji to try something he doesnt even know what he is going to do.
i would feel really bad if i waste that much point on nothing.
there is distinct timing when you play such move.
it has to be perfect timing or you will lose points. same with 3-3 point invasion.
i believe at this point white is ahead by few points. but it will not be easy for me to keep that lead if he plays solid moves till the end. i mean he will have his chance to win the game for sure. when you are not sure i suggest wait till you see a chance.
way he played his invasion seems wrong to me. such play might decide the game very quickly.

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[go]$$Bcm32 Move 32 - Prisoners: B=1, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . B O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What should I play from here, instead?

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Post #354 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:22 am 
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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
trick move to get sente.


edited comment
if he answers at 1 the i will play 2 which will save my group in sente.
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[go]$$Bc Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O 3 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #355 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm109 Move 109 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . W . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if i was black i would have protected this corner. what he played is very small.


What is the correct response to the 3-3 here?

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Post #356 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:29 am 
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zinger wrote:
topazg wrote:
Wow, Kirby doesn't even need to play a ko threat here does he ?

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[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - Prisoners: B=3, W=1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X 1 a |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X 2 X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really agree, black should have done this. Except that 117 should be at a to guarantee the cut. Otherwise white can link in ko by playing there.

Once black does that, he has made an exchange of equal-size groups - except that the one he gave up isn't dead yet! It can still live in ko. Not to mention black gets sente to cut in the center (or do whatever). Great exchange for black.


I agree with topazg and your idea completely. In the game, I was too anxious.

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 Post subject: Re: 34. Magicwand vs. Kirby, part 2
Post #357 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:33 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm126 Move 127 - Prisoners: B=3, W=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . O X X . O O O X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , O O X X X X . . X |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . . O O . . . X X O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O X O X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , X O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . O |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O . O |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O O . . X . O X O X |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . . . . . X O X X . X |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What is the best response to this? The sequence that followed gave whit good use of his wall...

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Post #358 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:36 am 
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For all: any critique of my overall thought process? Where am I weakest?

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Post #359 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:39 am 
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Certainly not endgame! I was very impressed at how long you kept sente.

...this is all that I am equipped to comment on. Both sides played a high-level game. Thank you for commenting thoroughly, it is helpful to those of us below, even if we don't always know enough to know what questions to ask.

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Post #360 Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:41 am 
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Kirby wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
trick move to get sente.


edited comment
if he answers at 1 the i will play 2 which will save my group in sente.
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[go]$$Bc Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O 3 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What is the correct response?


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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O X X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O O X X X X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . X X O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X O O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O . . X . O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You can consider this move.

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