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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Post #21 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:57 pm 
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I'm surprised you didn't list MW's last move in your posted variations. It seems like a basic one. Any ideas on it?

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Offline yithril
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Post #22 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:09 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Kirby
Maybe too obvious. Didn't really think of the simple move :P


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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . a b . 2 O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . c . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . 6 4 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probably will play out like this

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Magicwand
Post #23 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:13 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . 4 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i will not post my thought until my next move.
for this game i will not use trigger because it only hurt me than help me.

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Offline yithril
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Post #24 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:22 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #25 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:28 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 6 . . X . . . . O X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm11 black good
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . 7 , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . 6 O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:b14: and :w15: exchange was perfect time to probe.
later when the situation changes he might not answer that way.

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Post #26 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:39 pm 
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Hmm....okay?

When your opponent plays in between and you can't seal then you run out with one group. Magicwand wants to create chaos and then clinch victory at a pivotal moment.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to really think on this, but coming out with 1 is my first instinct. It's late so I'll get some sleep.

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Offline yithril
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Post #27 Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:20 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . b . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He's invited me to split his groups in two, so, I will. The idea is to help my weak stone, but also keep White split with good followups that threaten to seal. I picked the keima because of the followups at A and B. White is going to have a hard time. His early invasion was weird and this is the reason why.

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Post #28 Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:38 pm 
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So, I usually hate situations like the one I am in. Here are some other thoughts I had:

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . 3 . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 1 . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 4 . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Leaning at 1 makes a lot of sense too, but I wanted something simpler so there would be less variation and I could control the flow of the beginning easier. White invaded early and then made a new group, so I have to use my solidity on the right. The best way to do that is split and fight.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #29 Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:51 pm 
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Post #30 Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:25 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #31 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:13 am 
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Post #32 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:09 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 X . . O . . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . . . |
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It's too soon to save my stone, as I'd just be making a heavy group, so I think what I'll do is close him off. If he takes my stone on the left then I just play at the top and develop faster.

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Post #34 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:39 am 
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Honestly, what is Magicwand doing here? How many points did he lose already by giving up those stones?

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i dont have any computer access from my work so i will use my phone which will limit me to type the coordinate only.

i didnt expect him to play there. my LR group still have aji so i will wait till right time to play.

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Offline quantumf
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Post #36 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:09 am 
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Honestly, what is Magicwand doing here? How many points did he lose already by giving up those stones?


I think they're some way from dead. White will feel that there are possibilities to escape through one of the gaps, or create a local life (maybe in ko). Black will be tempted at some point to play again to be more certain it.
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Post #37 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:21 am 
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I dunno, black looks great here to me...

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quantumf wrote:
I think they're some way from dead. White will feel that there are possibilities to escape through one of the gaps, or create a local life (maybe in ko).
How does W live or escape? How to even get a ko? (Not like this: :) )
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EdLee wrote:
quantumf wrote:
I think they're some way from dead. White will feel that there are possibilities to escape through one of the gaps, or create a local life (maybe in ko).
How does W live or escape? How to even get a ko? (Not like this: :) )


Well, first of all White plays first. Black will most probably play on the top next (K16 seems good to me).
White will need some more stones on the board before it is clear where to play in the bottom right. At the moment it looks like all he has is M2.
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Well, first of all White plays first. Black will most probably play on the top next (K16 seems good to me).
You think :b23: tenuki (to K16 or elsewhere) is bigger than killing W completely LR corner?
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