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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #121 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:44 am 
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:shock: A conversation! Holy moly ... people are still WATCHING this game? LOL
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #122 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:48 am 
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Wow. We finally got interesting enough to comment on.

I just ordered an actual board. I'm gonna wait on my next move until it arrives, and I can play over the game on it.
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Offline ketchup
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #123 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:37 pm 
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If it makes you feel any better, I've been following this game since the beginning and occasionally commenting on it. I enjoyed the earlier parts of this game, a lot more than these later ones.

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #124 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:50 pm 
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Redundant wrote:
I just ordered an actual board. I'm gonna wait on my next move until it arrives, and I can play over the game on it.


That's fine by me. I'll be waiting.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #125 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:33 pm 
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I count ~50 points in upper left, ~20 points in upper right, ~10 points in lower right. I'm not gonna assign anything on bottom. I have about 90 points.

White has ~20 points in lower left, depending on c7 cut, about 10 points on top. White needs the middle to make 60 points. I don't feel like white can make this many there. White can get >10 on top with some work, though.

Can I get some observers opinions on the count? I really need to work on my ability to judge positions.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #126 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm83 Move 83 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My count, rudimentary as it is, has me slightly ahead. I'm going to play safely here. White playing this point gave a lot of difficulties. This move will get rid of h12 agi. White can solidify his center a little more with his next move, but I have multiple ways into the center. Also, this move enlarges my corner compared to what I counted previously.

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[go]$$Wcm82 Move 82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . b . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . c O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All three of these reduce the middle. In fact, I have much more endgame everywhere. My territory is very solid. White has large potential.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #127 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:02 am 
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[go]$$Wcm84 Move 84 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Welcome back.

Let's close up some territory. I really need to get better at counting ... I have no clue about the score. Seems like my opponent has made a count, though.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #128 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm85 Move 85 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . 1 . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He chose to prevent me from coming in from the bottom, so I'll reduce this way. He can force me to connect all the way on the right in sente. If he does not, I can still take sente points there later.

Also, my count before forgot about komi.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #129 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:41 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm86 Move 86 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . 1 . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can't hold on to everything. Just holding on to what I can ... I need a plan, but I can't see much that would do me any good on this board. If my opponent plays calmly, I'm pretty sure I'm behind by enough that the game is his. I may have a few complications to play later, but he's quickly fixing all his groups.
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #130 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm87 Move 87 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . 1 O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This shores up my bottom group, and is definite sente. I'll come back to reducing from the top after this area settles. If I'm able to give my bottom group 100% life through this, I'll cut at c7. If I do it now, I might mess up my connection/capture sequence.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #131 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:40 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm88 Move 88 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O X O . . . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trying to defend by removing an option ... expect the following (or something like it):

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[go]$$Wcm88 Move 93 at G7 -=-marked White stone-=-
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X W 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O X O . 7 . . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #132 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 Move 89 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . 1 . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move by my opponent is questionable. I don't see any threat to my top left group, and he lets me get this turn to demolish his center. Also, I can still capture the two stones at H5 and H6. It covers the C7 cut, but I can still hane beneath it. Also C8 looks like a tesuji.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #133 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:59 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm90 Move 90 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X O X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Gotta try this:

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[go]$$Wcm90 Move 90 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . 2 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X 4 X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . 5 3 . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think, just maybe, I can kill ... but I haven't really read through it ... however, it's a chance to turn this thing around.

I may regret this when I review the game in the morning ... but we've gotta have a little fun in this game, right? ;)
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 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #134 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Move 91 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . 1 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I won't have any problem living. I feel that allowing this capture is a huge mistake. It pillages his center area.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #135 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:32 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm92 Move 92 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . 1 . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here goes nothing ...
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #136 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm93 Move 93 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X 1 X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know how he plans on killing me. After this response, I don't see any way for him to prevent me from living. Notice that H3 is sente. Even if I can't live locally, his central position is full of agi.

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[go]$$Diagram
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O a O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Notice that after I cut through here, he has an eyeless group in the center.
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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #137 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:54 am 
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White's last few moves are terrible. You just cannot play like that unless you can completely read out a clean kill. I'm preaching at myself a bit here, though... ;-)

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Offline topazg
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Post #138 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:06 am 
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My sealed moves:

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[go]$$W Diagram
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . 1 O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
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Post #139 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:32 am 
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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . 1 O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like the observers are making some comments. Likely someone has found the line of play that either lives or that kills. Don't know which, though. This is where Black can decide how he wants to try and live. Likely he'll try to cut off my stones with the push-cut:

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[go]$$Wcm94 Move 94 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
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$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . . X . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . O O O O . . O 4 O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . a 5 b . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X O . . X . O . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X . X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X X X . X . . O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . O X 2 1 O . X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . 3 . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I haven't figured out how I want to handle this. Still thinking.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 37. Redundant (4k) vs. Marcus (4k)
Post #140 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:28 am 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
White's last few moves are terrible. You just cannot play like that unless you can completely read out a clean kill. I'm preaching at myself a bit here, though... ;-)

white is losing big.. i think it make sense to go for the kill. although i dont agree about clean kill but i like the spirit of it.

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