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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #181 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . 8 . . 7 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 6 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Go forth my brave stones :salute:

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Post #182 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . 9 . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . 8 . . 7 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 6 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Le gunna scréach faoi lámhach na bpiléar,
Seo libh canaig amhrán na bhfiann!

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #183 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:23 am 
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[go]$$Bcm98 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X 0 9 . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . 8 . . 7 . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X 6 X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O 4 . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


CHARGE!!!!! :rambo: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #184 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X . O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At least this should be amusing for the spectators. :D

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Post #185 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . . X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 2 O b . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O a . . X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can make a second eye with a or push through at b.

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #186 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:23 pm 
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B still has this:

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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 5 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #187 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O , . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm very tired so I might not make another move tonight Tom. Thanks, this is proving to be very interesting and a lot of fun, even if I can't read it out fully. :)

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Post #188 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #189 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:28 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 5 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O X 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The connect and die here is what I had missed. Ko it is then. :)

Sorry for the delay Tom I was was feeling quite bad the last few days.

Ah well, let's see if I can get anything out of this. :)

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Post #190 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:53 pm 
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Pretty difficult ko for B now. W has several local threats and B not many large threats elsewhere.

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Post #191 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 5 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 6 X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O C 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



:lol: 劫!

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Post #192 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:53 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X 5 . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 6 X O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #193 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:15 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O C C 8 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O C 6 C O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #194 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :w5: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . 8 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . 6 . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . 9 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #195 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:38 pm 
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White did not get quite as much as he could have here. He should have fought the ko a bit longer. It would have been beneficial to play the various local ko threats he had. Moreover, he had so many of these threats that he might not have needed to surrender those three White stone on top. Regardless, the result is still good for White, who, essentially, got sente for free. Next, White should attack Black's weak group in the center-left so as to build a moyo in the middle. This should secure White the lead in the game.

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #196 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:49 am 
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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . 8 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . 6 . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . 2 O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O 4 . 3 X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . 9 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, so I won the ko and lost some on top, I think I came out ahead though. The game is close now.

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Post #197 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:00 am 
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I think White should have played from the other side--and not right away but after attacking the group in the center-left, first ( :w1: doesn't threaten to kill the group on the right, so is not sente). As I mentioned before, White's winning plan is to build territory in the middle. I haven't read here very thoroughly so I'm not sure how best to attack but maybe with "a" or "b."
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . b . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now, Black should destroy some of White's potential in the center by jumping to :b2:. This move also applies pressure on the White group above it, for it is not yet completely alive, either.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 2 . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, Black needs to be careful not to die in case White robs him of eyespace on the edge with something like :w3:. Then, Black may fall into a splitting attack, but both Black groups should survive, in my estimation. The middle has plenty of space, plus the nearby White groups have weaknesses, too. Next, Black could consider playing :b4:, for example.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O O X X . 3 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze
Post #198 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:31 am 
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Tom, I haven't been sleeping again so I'll delay my move until tomorrow. Sorry about that.

I'm behind now I think, I can't count it accurately at the moment but I've my potential around 60 on the board being generous and Tom's around 50 not counting the centre where I think he can get a bit more than I think. I'm going to assume as Tom has sente I'm not going to realise that potential and perhaps there'll be a swing of 20-25 points. It's hard for me to tell, harassing the bottom left is worth a lot but letting the righthand black group die is worth a lot too. It really is important who gets sente to play in the bottom left. The centre group isn't as weak as I first feared. Tom pulling out L13 is painful but not fatal. I can't harass the big white centre-right group without making the bottom right solid first and even then I can't harass it much. If I'm going to play passively I might as well just resign right now. I need to study this position a bit and see if there are weak points that I can poke at.

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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O a . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . b . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



So the push to a doesn't look sente but if unanswered it allows the peep at b which allows the capture of the marked stone and possibly some harrassment of the right-hand white group. I prefer just peeping directly though, it sorts out my problems with my centre group. This does all work a lot better if the right-hand black group is alive though. I see a lot of eye-space there for it. Anyway, I'll think further on this.

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Post #199 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:01 am 
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No problem, take your time.

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Post #200 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:19 pm 
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I changed my mind, I'll make a move before sleep because I like it a lot.

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[go]$$Bcm108 Prisoners: :b1: :w5:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . O X . . . . O . X . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O O . . X . X . O . X . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X X O X . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O O O . X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O . X O O X . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . X X X O . O X . X O . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X O X . X , . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm happy with this move. It gives me miai of responding on the side for life (my least favourite option) or leaning on the bottom to make an eye while reducing, or just to make some eye shape and leave running open as an option, or just run and connect up top or bottom. If Tom takes away my eyespace I'll capture the L13 stone in a loose ladder, I'm not too bothered by C1 now as expanding into the centre to make eye space/territory both threatens to connect and has some potential with some forcing moves against his left group. If Tom jumps out above in response I'm left with invading, running or just responding to make eyes, so again I'll take L13. If Tom plays the N7 tesuji, O5 is rather annoying for him to deal with. If Tom takes the eyespace away I'll play M8 and put some pressure on his right-hand group. If he cuts the fighting gets interesting but I think I've enough options available after the cross cut.

Anyway, trying to stay active, trying to play a multi-purpose move. I may have read this very wrong but if one just plays passively you'll never learn anything.

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