50. Magicwand (3d) v. Fwiffo (4k)

fwiffo · **#121**

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Magicwand · **#122**

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Chew Terr · **#123**

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fwiffo · **#124**

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Magicwand · **#125**

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fwiffo · **#126**

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fwiffo · **#127**

Magicwand · **#128**

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fwiffo · **#129**

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Magicwand · **#130**

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fwiffo · **#131**

Hmmm. Seems that I must resign. If I stay connected, I die in the middle, and even if I sacrifice the middle to kill the bottom, it's too much lost.

Thank you for the game, Magicwand!

Magicwand · **#132**

thank you for the game...
my analysis.. you are still ahead.
it is very hard for me to kill you clean..and you have more territory than i do.
IMO you regined too early.

fwiffo · **#133**

Ya think? I just don't see myself living in the center here, and dying there would be enough to seal the game, I think even if the bottom white group dies.

fwiffo · **#134**

One thing I think is interesting upon reading the comments is that several people said my reading was good. Now, I've always considered reading to be one of the weakest parts of my game, so I thought that was surprising. I also didn't think I demonstrated particularly good reading in this game, and I don't know how my reading could be that good if I am constantly getting bad results. I kept getting blindsided by a move that I didn't see in my reading...

Magicwand · **#135**

if i kill my group at bottom..then i lose for sure. i would never that that path.
your local reading is good enough...
actually that much reading is all you need to read for 6 stone handycap.
rest of it is global reading and catching the flow...

not for Violence until the end of the game #3
not that it really matters ...but i am giving example out of that game.. hope you dont mind..

Harleqin · **#136**

I think this is the fourth or fifth Malkovich game that was resigned here just for lack of spirit. In this case, why not play F7, for example, or play H7 and exchange the left side for the bottom? It is not like Black was the only one with weaknesses all over the place. This is very frustrating for me.

If you cannot read it out, at least let him show you how he wins before you resign.

fwiffo · **#137**

I guess my positional judgment kinda sucks then. I had considered something like this:

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Maybe not that exactly :b5:

; I haven't read thoroughly. Me looking at this position, I'd say black's gain on the bottom is not enough to make up for death of the rest of the group in the center/left and that the game would be already lost for black. Is this really still playable?

I understand what you're saying about flow and looking at the whole board. I tried to focus on that this game, but I have trouble keeping track of so many things. Just understanding the local variations taxes me completely. For instance, when I was playing F13 I was aiming at the bottom group, but I didn't judge the result of the cut very well.

I actually think if my local reading was better (more efficient, faster), it wouldn't use as much of my focus just to read out local variations and I'd have more space in my brain for looking at the rest of the board.

Magicwand · **#138**

fwiffo wrote:

I guess my positional judgment kinda sucks then. I had considered something like this:

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Maybe not that exactly :b5:

; I haven't read thoroughly. Me looking at this position, I'd say black's gain on the bottom is not enough to make up for death of the rest of the group in the center/left and that the game would be already lost for black. Is this really still playable?

I understand what you're saying about flow and looking at the whole board. I tried to focus on that this game, but I have trouble keeping track of so many things. Just understanding the local variations taxes me completely. For instance, when I was playing F13 I was aiming at the bottom group, but I didn't judge the result of the cut very well.

I actually think if my local reading was better (more efficient, faster), it wouldn't use as much of my focus just to read out local variations and I'd have more space in my brain for looking at the rest of the board.

1) not only playable you are winning by too much. i would never take that path.
2) F13 is only a local problem. before your group become that weak you should have attacked me or find a flow that will automatically stablize your group..
if you attack..usually you get stronger and i try to run away.. you dont have to look for tesuji to save your group.
that means you dont have any weakness and thick just by attacking me first.
3) although i do above average job on local reading..i believe my power comes from global reading. same with all other stronger players.
if i play against 1D i dont have to fight and give him whatever he wants and still win with a comfortable lead.
if professionals play me...they can do same thing.. because their global reading is that much better than mine.

my advice to you is...find that FLOW i talk about. not one dimensional moves..but SOLID meaningful SERIES of moves.
i mean series of move because if you find that flow...you will see that sequence of moves.

My kids home

fwiffo · **#139**

Hmm. I guess I have some food for thought. Of course, let me know if you want a rematch sometime. I promise not to resign to soon. :-)

Harleqin · **#140**

fwiffo wrote:

I guess my positional judgment kinda sucks then. I had considered something like this:

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Maybe not that exactly :b5:

; I haven't read thoroughly. Me looking at this position, I'd say black's gain on the bottom is not enough to make up for death of the rest of the group in the center/left and that the game would be already lost for black. Is this really still playable?

Just count it. The pure territorial exchange is almost even, but the black group has a lot of aji at H11 and D7. White's only territory on the left might be a little bigger than the black on the bottom, but Black has two corners on top of that. Finally, this exchange settles the game, so it becomes harder to catch up for White. I think that White has to play something else, preventing :b5:

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50. Magicwand (3d) v. Fwiffo (4k)

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