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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm39 Move 39 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X c . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O b . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X d . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . z O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I believe that Dfan meant that if black did not play here, white would get to make a thousand-dollar turn at z. Meaning, in turn, that the bamboo joint is worse because it doesn't threaten that followup.

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Offline Zwergesel
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #42 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:33 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm44 Move 44 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X f . . . . . . . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe it was the wrong direction and I was thinking too much ... stupid proverbs :lol:
Anyway, I'm ahead, so let's just grab my share of the corner and build a solid position on the right!
If he tenukis I get the whole corner ... not bad either!
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Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #43 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:59 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
Numsgil:
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[go]$$Bcm39 Move 39 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X c . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O b . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X d . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . z O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I believe that Dfan meant that if black did not play here, white would get to make a thousand-dollar turn at z. Meaning, in turn, that the bamboo joint is worse because it doesn't threaten that followup.


That makes more sense. Thanks ^^

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Offline dfan
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #44 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:30 pm 
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Chew Terr got it right; I meant C10 for White.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #45 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:45 am 
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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, I'm not going to defend the corner and just let you build edge points. My extension along the top is gote regardless, and I want something to counter your thickness.

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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . X . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , 7 . . X . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , 5 . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other things I'm keeping in mind:

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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X 5 . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Zwergesel
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #46 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:54 am 
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Sorry for the delay. I didn't have time to play Go this weekend!

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[go]$$Wcm52 Move 52 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , B . . X . . W . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . W B . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , B . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Take four corners and you win the game, right? :)
Well, probably not, but this still looks like the biggest move on the board to me!
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #47 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:05 am 
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[go]$$Bcm53 Moves 53-61 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 4 3 X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | 8 9 O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Ok, now the fun starts. I'm happy that the top has been largely neutralised with regards to his ability to defend against the thickness he built up, and the right hand side is equally hard to develop. Sadly of course I'm behind on actual points, but at least I can start this fight and see how it develops.

This week I'm going to give a detailed explanation of all the big decisions in the fuseki from me so far, and then go through my game plan from here in some detail as we plough into the middle of the game.
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Offline Harleqin
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #48 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:08 am 
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topazg, that diagram seems a bit messed up.

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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #49 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:09 am 
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Harleqin wrote:
topazg, that diagram seems a bit messed up.


Yes, I copied and pasted the wrong diagram from my notepad hashup :(

Wrong move numbers on the caption (53-55), wrong sequence order in the lower left, and missing the forcing moves in the middle which I want to play first.

I've repasted the fixed diagram :)
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Post #50 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:27 am 
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I think that this is a bit much presumption.

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Post #51 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:41 am 
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I accidentally edited this post instead of quoting it. I restored the original post as far as I remember it:

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[go]$$Wcm54 Move 54 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Harleqin wrote:
I think that this is a bit much presumption.
I agree :)
Move 54 goes to D13! I don't see the benefit of the bamboo joint in this position. D13 leaves me with a large endgame move unless he defends at C13.


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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #52 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:42 am 
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Feel free to continue with the rest of the trigger, which has to still stand
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Offline prokofiev
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Post #53 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:52 am 
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Harleqin wrote:
I think that this is a bit much presumption.


This game, being open, appears to have the ability to post long move sequences not as an assumption but as "I'm happy to play this."

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Offline Harleqin
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Post #54 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:34 am 
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prokofiev wrote:
Harleqin wrote:
I think that this is a bit much presumption.


This game, being open, appears to have the ability to post long move sequences not as an assumption but as "I'm happy to play this."


Well, yes, but I feel uneasy about the suggestive power of the presented sequences.

I think that the actual move should have its own diagram, and then it could be followed by another diagram "I think it will continue like this". Then the opponent does not need to undo moves.

This is the case even more for the "closed" Malkovich games.

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Offline Zwergesel
 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #55 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm55 Move 55-60 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 2 1 X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . 6 O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61+62 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
For a moment I was worried that he could kill me with something like this, but I can live with a connect-and-die at a:
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[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61+62 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 6 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | a X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | 8 O O 2 3 . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He might play :b61: anyway though in order to make more territory on the bottom!
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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #56 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:37 am 
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Hmmm, true, you can live with connecting, but only in gote, so that's ok. It's a fair exchange for securing my bottom and losing the aji of the jump out.:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61-63 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

If I can secure the lower edge further in sente, I'm going to play here for a moyo game. I can't avoid the fact White has picked up points in each corner now, that's the price of the strategy change to adjust for the messed up top left corner. We'll see if I can get silly amounts of points down here instead!
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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #57 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm64 Move 64 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . 1 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
This feels wrong and it probably is! :) I want to play it anyway though, just to see what's going to happen!
I don't think his group is as strong as he thinks it is!
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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #58 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . O X . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . 1 . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

If I'm that weak, I can't believe that the contact is better than sealing me in. White has influence from the left, and an alive group in the corner. If he can build thickness facing the middle my game plan is gone. Still, we'll see what he has up his sleeve.
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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #59 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:02 am 
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I'm actually going to apologise profusely, but I think I'm going to resign here. I'm frustrated that I'm not investing far more time into this game than I am, and I think it's a disservice to Malkovich games personally just to play out moves in the forums. I'm burning out at the moment with a crazy amount on in my personal life, and I just can't find the time to do this properly.

As it is, the joseki blunder in the top left has cost me ~30 points I think by my latest guess, and that makes me at least 10 to 15 points behind right now, so resigning isn't completely unreasonable anyway.

Good game zwergesel, maybe we will meet again sometime :)
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 Post subject: Re: 51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)
Post #60 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:51 pm 
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Awww, just as it's starting to become interesting!
My middlegame is bad! I would've lost many points! The more I think about my last move, the more I think it's a mistake!

But, well, thank you for the game! It was fun! And I can now say that I defeated a 1d in an even game :D
I wish you good luck with whatever is keeping you busy in your personal life! Stress is the way to the dark side, so remember to relax once in a while and don't overburden yourself, young Padawan! :)

Oh, and we'll definitely meet again! :twisted:
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