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Post #1 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:52 pm 
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when playing over the board and using a clock, is it legal to pause the clock when picking up captured stones?

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Post #2 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:59 pm 
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pitirre wrote:
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when playing over the board and using a clock, is it legal to pause the clock when picking up captured stones?

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I don't think you'll be arrested for it.

Seriously, it depends on the tournament/game rules. In my (admittedly limited) experience, it is not usual practice.

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Post #3 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:09 pm 
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In some of the local tournaments that I've played in there has been a rule that said you pause the clock only if removing 5 or more stones, or something like that. I feel this is reasonable as there is obviously a difference between taking three stones off and carefully removing a dead dragon of 30 stones. (One difference would be the big honking smile on my face when removing the dragon hehehehehe!)

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Post #4 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:23 pm 
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pitirre wrote:
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when playing over the board and using a clock, is it legal to pause the clock when picking up captured stones?

gracias


normally it is. but it depends on the rules.

I remember that the AGA rules and the EGF rules differ on the number of stones.
one was that even for removing two or more stones you may pause the clock, for the other ruleset only if you captured three or more.

But dobn't ask me which was which :study:

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Post #5 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:37 pm 
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Based on the rules I've heard from local tournaments here (WA), it's legal if you're picking up 5 stones or more.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:18 pm 
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willemien wrote:
pitirre wrote:
hola

when playing over the board and using a clock, is it legal to pause the clock when picking up captured stones?

gracias


normally it is. but it depends on the rules.

I remember that the AGA rules and the EGF rules differ on the number of stones.
one was that even for removing two or more stones you may pause the clock, for the other ruleset only if you captured three or more.

But dobn't ask me which was which :study:

Its not in the rules of the game at all -- but only in the tournament rules. And different tournaments (or Tournament Directors) may set different rules in regards to pausing the clock. I think only Ing rules publishes specific tournament rules, and I don't recall if he mentions pausing the clock for capturing large groups of stones. I don't believe there are any other written tournament rules.

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Post #7 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:05 pm 
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Post #8 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:34 pm 
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pitirre wrote:
when playing over the board and using a clock, is it legal to pause the clock when picking up captured stones?

EGF GENERAL TOURNAMENT RULES
http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/tourrules.htm

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The clock may be neutralised, with both player's timepieces being stopped simulaneously, in the following circumstances:
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5. By a player - after having placed one's stone - to remove three or more stones without liberty while in overtime or playing under finite thinking time rules.
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Post #9 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:00 am 
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:study: AGA rules

http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/Resources/

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AGA Tournament Regulations (2005)

VI. Administration of Play.
E. Timekeeping.
  10. Players may stop both clocks only under the following circumstances:
    c. Removal of more than one captured stone;

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Post #10 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:35 am 
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A couple of weeks back I was tournament director at an EGF tournament where I had to apply this.

Black played a move capturing 2 stones and when he was still taking the stones off the board he heard he had only 1 sec left on the clock, so he quickly pressed the clock with his other hand and continued to pick up the other captured stone.

I would have just continued to play if this happened to my opponent but in this case the guy playing white called for me, claiming his opponent had not legally finished his move in time, since it is explicitly mentioned in the rules I had to agree with him. Luckily this did not mean a loss on time. In Dutch tournaments running out of byojomi, means an automatic pass (also explicitly mentioned in the tournament rules and announced at the start of the tournament).

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Post #11 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:21 am 
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freegame wrote:
I would have just continued to play if this happened to my opponent but in this case the guy playing white called for me,


I could not have felt good about winning as white in this situation if my victory was based on that type of technicality. This is the type of behavior that breeds resentment. But as you point out, the rules were explicit. Too bad white felt this desperate.

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Post #12 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:59 am 
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Vesa wrote:
EGF GENERAL TOURNAMENT RULES
http://www.eurogofed.org/egf/tourrules.htm


willemien wrote:


Well, there you go... written rules. Who knew.

Most AGA tournaments I've played in, the TD has specified at least 3+ or 5+ stones before pausing the clock. I don't think too many TDs are aware of the 1+ rule already in place.

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