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Author:  willemien [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  What is the most easterly go club in Europe?
After all the serious stuff in another thread a more light subject here.

What is the most easterly go club in europe?

And while thinking about it , why not also the most northerly, westerly southerly and other most's.
Author:  Bantari [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:36 am ]
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willemien wrote:
After all the serious stuff in another thread a more light subject here.

What is the most easterly go club in europe?

And while thinking about it , why not also the most northerly, westerly southerly and other most's.


First we need to define 'Europe'.
There seem to be confusion about that, at least as far as Go is concerned.
Author:  richardamullens [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:57 am ]
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willemien wrote:
After all the serious stuff in another thread a more light subject here.

What is the most easterly go club in europe?

And while thinking about it , why not also the most northerly, westerly southerly and other most's.


The most proximate club in space-time is tonight in the Melton Mowbray pub by Chancery Late tube station.

6pm until 11pm. If you are in London, there's really no excuse for not attending !
Author:  tj86430 [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the most easterly go club in Europe?
Bantari wrote:
willemien wrote:
After all the serious stuff in another thread a more light subject here.

What is the most easterly go club in europe?

And while thinking about it , why not also the most northerly, westerly southerly and other most's.


First we need to define 'Europe'.
There seem to be confusion about that, at least as far as Go is concerned.

When I was at school, the definition of Europe as a continent (regardless of borders) was something like: west of Ural mountains, north of Black Sea, west of Bosporus, north of the Mediterranian, east of the Atlantic ocean.

That is pretty much the definition given in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe as well, although I might also include Greenland.

Using that, I would guess the most eastern club is somewhere in Russia (or Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan or Georgia). My candidate for the most northern club is Oulu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oulu).
Author:  henric [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:30 am ]
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tj86430 wrote:
Bantari wrote:
willemien wrote:
After all the serious stuff in another thread a more light subject here.

What is the most easterly go club in europe?

And while thinking about it , why not also the most northerly, westerly southerly and other most's.


My candidate for the most northern club is Oulu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oulu).


Oulu (Uleåborg) at 65 deg 1' 0'' is a good candidate.
In principle there is a club in Luleå ( 65 deg 36' 0'' ), which has been very active at times, but I haven't heard any news from them for a while.

I've met a player from Archangelsk once, but that's way south (64 deg 34' 0'').

cheers,
Henric

P.S. For comparison: Anchorage at 61 deg 13' , Reykjavik at 64 deg 10' .

P.P.S. This year's European Go Congress was held in Tampere (Tammerfors), at 61 deg 30' , the furthest north a go congress has ever been held. The previous record was Leksand 2008 at 60 deg 43' and before that at St Petersburg 2003 at 59 deg 56' .
Author:  kirkmc [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:27 am ]
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Yes, but "north" is just a cultural construct....
Author:  willemien [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the most easterly go club in Europe?
Bantari wrote:
willemien wrote:
After all the serious stuff in another thread a more light subject here.

What is the most easterly go club in europe?

And while thinking about it , why not also the most northerly, westerly southerly and other most's.


First we need to define 'Europe'.
There seem to be confusion about that, at least as far as Go is concerned.


However you would define it and is the confusion only in Go :shock:
Author:  topazg [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:40 am ]
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I think he was referring more to things like EGF membership diluting the definition somewhat. Israel presumably could be considered European in Go, and must have some fairly Easterly clubs ;)
Author:  freegame [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:52 am ]
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For Go I would define Europe as EGF member country.

the most Southern club in the EGF is probably in Israel.
(Jerusalem is the most south of the once listed on their website)
But that is Geographically not in Europe.

to the North I would guess Tromsø in Norway. (at 69 deg 40')

to the West I guess Lisbon, Portugal

to the east is again hard to tell.
Author:  Harleqin [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:15 am ]
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If Russia counts as a whole: is there a Go club in Vladivostok?
Author:  Sverre [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:35 am ]
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freegame wrote:
to the North I would guess Tromsø in Norway. (at 69 deg 40')


Good guess, but while there are a couple of players in Tromsø, I don't think they have organized a club there yet. So Oulu and Luleå seem to be the top contenders still.
Author:  DrStraw [ Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:23 am ]
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topazg wrote:
I think he was referring more to things like EGF membership diluting the definition somewhat. Israel presumably could be considered European in Go, and must have some fairly Easterly clubs ;)


The Caucasus is east of Israel. Azerbaijan was entered into the WAGC this year (but did not play) and so I am guessing Baku must have a club. Having said that, there is probably a club in Russia east of that. Kazan is a little east of Baku.
Author:  willemien [ Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:30 pm ]
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for the west end:

Is Island not further west than mainland Portugal?

(What would mean that Reykjavík the most western is)

Or is there a go club on the Azores?

also in the old days Greenland was part of Denmark does that make it part of Europe?

(Or is this an useless question because there is no go club there?)
Author:  Javaness [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:48 pm ]
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I was thinking Galway was the most Westerly club in Europe
Author:  henric [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the most easterly go club in Europe?
topazg wrote:
I think he was referring more to things like EGF membership diluting the definition somewhat. Israel presumably could be considered European in Go, and must have some fairly Easterly clubs ;)


Actually with that kind of definition a couple of French go clubs are probably good peripheral candidates, like Guyane and Réunion, especially the latter club seems pretty active, according to the website there was a tournament in May with 17 participants, highest ranked 1d
( http://reunion.jeudego.org/ ). La Réunion is to all effects a part of France I think?

H.
Author:  tj86430 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:05 am ]
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henric wrote:
La Réunion is to all effects a part of France I think?

Yes, but it's still not part of Europe as a continent.
Author:  Tommie [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:04 am ]
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tj86430 wrote:
henric wrote:
La Réunion is to all effects a part of France I think?

Yes, but it's still not part of Europe as a continent.



While we are there
* UTC (time-wise), a Go club just some meters west of Greenwich could be the 'latest' one (new category).
* to the west: Aruba, Bonnaire, Curacao, Saba, St. Eustachius, St. Martin;
I didn't follow it closely in the Newspapers, yet Saba and St. Eustachius in the Carribbeans - with both only some hundred inhabitants -
will get (have already?) the status of Dutch province (please correct me where I am wrong).

Again, that's not Europe as defined by a continent.
Malta, Kreta, Cyprus, 2 Spanish enclaves in Morrocco for the south?
Author:  HermanHiddema [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:22 am ]
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Also, we can add:

Highest go club. (Somewhere in the Alps?)

Lowest go club. (Probably one of the below sea level Dutch ones, like Almere).
Author:  tj86430 [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:48 am ]
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HermanHiddema wrote:
below sea level

Although I know what you mean, I immediately remembered this: http://www.divemagazine.co.uk/news/arti ... 1332178208
Author:  RBerenguel [ Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the most easterly go club in Europe?
willemien wrote:
for the west end:

Is Island not further west than mainland Portugal?

(What would mean that Reykjavík the most western is)

Or is there a go club on the Azores?

also in the old days Greenland was part of Denmark does that make it part of Europe?

(Or is this an useless question because there is no go club there?)


There's a Go club in Reykjavik (I receive their newsletters, which I only half-understand in preparation to an undetermined point in the future when I move to Iceland), making it the most westernly place to play Go in what uses to be considered "Europe" (unless there is a club in the Azores). As far as this goes, I assume Iceland (and Greenland to a minor extenct) have to be considered as part of "continental Europe". On the other hand, in our Iceland guide, Snaefellsness (the tip of Iceland to the west) is considered the westernmost point in Europe (as an anecdote, we had to change tires there :D)
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