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Post #41 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:41 pm 
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I think I’d prefer it if the rook-adjacent stones would touch, i.e. if there were no gap.

Maybe this is easier to immediately recognize as solidly connected? (if of same colour, of course)

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:42 pm 
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Post #43 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:55 pm 
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I like the look now, particularly the first of the four options.

Regarding the gap/no gap, I think that the gap might look good if the lines of the board seemed to continue in the gap. This may just be an extra pixel or two in each of the cardinal directions from the stone graphic, assuming it's a set of images compounded together in squares to build the board, though you would have to account for the edges of course. To not have a gap, I think you'd need much more finely rendered/anti-aliased stones, lest it lead to a sort of black block where the stones touch.

I do find that having a gap without the lines leads to this weird illusory appearance of board-coloured boxes around the stones where they are clustered tightly together.

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Post #44 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:13 pm 
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Books that have the gap in their diagrams generally just have empty space between stones, no grid lines. You may be surprised if you take a look in your library. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that it wouldn't look fine if the grid lines were present.

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Post #45 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:40 pm 
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For now, I narrowed the gap. I didn't do anything with anti-aliasing, so it looks a little like a blob:

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I also adjusted the black/white sente thing. There are still unsupported diagram types (like not having the "|" border marks isn't implemented yet, as EdLee showed).

I adjusted the centering of the numbers on the stones, and changed the labels to be capitalized and a slightly different font.

I'll work on getting the diagram bugs out next probably (e.g. different board sizes, not having border marks, markings on edges that don't show up properly, etc.), then coordinates. Then I can revisit how the spacing between stones looks, anti-aliasing, etc.

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