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Post #1 Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:53 am 
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I have been prompted towards making the book "Shape Up!" available under an open license, and would like to do do under CC-by-SA. I have advised my co-author Seong-June Kim about this by email. So as not to create a doubtful legal situation for reusers, I'd like him to agree, naturally.

I have not heard back from Kim, using the email address I was given by one of the Cambridge players, which was current a year or so ago. If anyone here has more direct contact with Kim, I'd be grateful to hear more about his view. Of course he may not check his mail so regularly.


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Post #2 Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:48 pm 
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Charles Matthews wrote:
I have not heard back from Kim [...].


Despite that, it is now 2015, and I intend to follow through with my intention to declare "Shape Up!" released under CC-by-SA. That will probably not satisfy a lawyer, and may deter anyone in business to some extent. All the same, I have been in a comparable situation with another book, and there the Gordian knot was cut.

For further information, contact me (can be done via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charles_Matthews: email me by creating a Wikipedia account and looking in the let sidebar, for example).


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Post #3 Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:52 am 
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With some help, I have been able to speak to Seong-june Kim about the book. So I can confirm that "Shape Up!" is released under CC-by-SA.


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Post #4 Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:26 am 
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Post #5 Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:01 am 
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"Shape Up!" on the gobook app ! that would be a dream ! I would even pay 5$ to 10$ for that.

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Post #6 Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:04 am 
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Charles Matthews wrote:
With some help, I have been able to speak to Seong-june Kim about the book. So I can confirm that "Shape Up!" is released under CC-by-SA.

THANK YOU, Charles, this is great news, a wonderful gift to the Go community worldwide!

Two questions:

- Are you going to edit the book (frontispice? front matter? title page?) to reflect this fact?

- Which source do you recommend to obtain the complete book?
  • The Badukworld version only seems to offer 12 chapters and one problem set (maybe I just overlooked?), while …
  • the overview on GoBase.org shows 15 chapters, three problem sets, plus “Index of shapes”, “Index of terms”, “List of proverbs” (it’s divided into five parts, the fifth part, “Theory”, includes chapters 13–15). These files appear to be available only to GoBase members.

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"Shape Up!" on the gobook app ! that would be a dream ! I would even pay 5$ to 10$ for that.
Me too!
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Post #7 Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:44 am 
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Thank you for making it easier for people to get a legal copy of your helpful book! Shape Up is a great contribution to the English go literature.

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Post #8 Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:03 am 
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Bonobo wrote:
Charles Matthews wrote:
With some help, I have been able to speak to Seong-june Kim about the book. So I can confirm that "Shape Up!" is released under CC-by-SA.

THANK YOU, Charles, this is great news, a wonderful gift to the Go community worldwide!

Two questions:

- Are you going to edit the book (frontispice? front matter? title page?) to reflect this fact?


Not intending to edit it. For intellectual property mavens, CC-by-SA licensing does not affect the underlying copyright.

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- Which source do you recommend to obtain the complete book?
  • The Badukworld version only seems to offer 12 chapters and one problem set (maybe I just overlooked?), while …
  • the overview on GoBase.org shows 15 chapters, three problem sets, plus “Index of shapes”, “Index of terms”, “List of proverbs” (it’s divided into five parts, the fifth part, “Theory”, includes chapters 13–15). These files appear to be available only to GoBase members.


I have actually been contacted by someone who is interested in posting the PDFs; I'll update this thread if and when that hosting is sorted out. Also, this business was prompted by a go teacher who is interested in producing a derived work.

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:48 am 
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There is a PDF copy of the whole book now at

http://cdn.online-go.com/shape_up.pdf


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Post #10 Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:48 pm 
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Warning: Many animoticons here. Because …
Charles Matthews wrote:
There is a PDF copy of the whole book now at

http://cdn.online-go.com/shape_up.pdf
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Wonderful! Thanks again, Charles, for this great gift :bow:

And kudos to Akita for editing and hosting it on OGS Image

It is very nice to see good people cooperating for the best of the Go community.

Cordially, Tom Image

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Post #11 Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:19 am 
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Charles Matthews wrote:
There is a PDF copy of the whole book now at

http://cdn.online-go.com/shape_up.pdf


Hi Charles,

Is it ok if I try to convert it to the gobook format ? (just converting, no distribution or what ever...)

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Post #12 Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:37 am 
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Hello oca,

oca wrote:
Is it ok if I try to convert it to the gobook format ? (just converting, no distribution or what ever...)

I’m not Charles, but the CC SA license on the second page says this:

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You are free to:
  • Share - copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
  • Adapt - remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially.

The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms.

Under the following terms:
  • Attribution - You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the icensor endorses you or your use.
  • ShareAlike - If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original.
  • No additional restrictions - You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits.

The complete license text is linked there, too, and is here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode


So, it seems that you may even redistribute it as a gobooks file.

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Post #13 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:52 am 
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oca wrote:
Is it ok if I try to convert it to the gobook format ? (just converting, no distribution or what ever...)


For the record, presuming the conversion goes well, we'd be happy to host the resulting gobook file too :)


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Post #14 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:49 am 
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oca wrote:
Is it ok if I try to convert it to the gobook format ? (just converting, no distribution or what ever...)


What Bonobo said. The idea of the license is that people are able to produce their own derived works. It is nice to hear about them, for example here, but you don't need any permissions.


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Post #15 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:54 am 
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Thanks Charles, So will start the conversion.

anoek, thanks for your proposition :tmbup: , I think that wuill be great if both the pdf and the gobook will be at the same place !

I will start a topic for that purpose and maybe it may also be useful to people who want to learn the gobook format.

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Post #16 Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:55 am 
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Dedicated thread on conversion to gobook format started here : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11402

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Post #17 Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:28 pm 
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From https://forums.online-go.com/t/shape-up ... date/24038:
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The online book Shape Up! has been updated with improved grid lines and embedded fonts
—> https://cdn.online-go.com/shape_up_v1.2.pdf

Looks a LOT better now IMO.

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