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Post #1 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:15 am 
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There is a new international amateur tournament in China September 14-19th, the Gold Cup World Amateur Go Tournament: http://www.tygemgo.com/eevent/gold/2016/final.asp. I actually heard about this and the open online qualifying rounds (for 20 places) a while back but didn't bother entering as I presumed it would be full of super-strong Chinese/Korean 6/7ds and the faff of playing on asian servers. But just a few days ago I was invited to attend due to my finishing place at the WAGC (I was 21st and the top 12 get invited so quite a few people above me couldn't go) and they pay my flights and accommodation which is cool. The prize money is substantial: 200,000 CNY or about £22,000 for 1st before tax which I suspect makes those new Euro pros wish they weren't pros! I presume the games will be broadcast on Tygem.


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Post #2 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:39 pm 
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I don't think it is fair to suggest that European or American new pros might regret turning pro. Even if they were to win such a tournament as this, they would still need a more stable source of income. Even in the established Asian pro societies most of the pros make their living from teaching. Only a few at the top can support themselves only by tournament winnings and fees.

My guess would be that the winners of this amateur tournament will likely be the likes of Korean former inseis who just missed becoming pro or Chinese pro strength amateurs like Bao Yun.

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Post #3 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:46 pm 
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The location of the tournament is only one hour's drive from my hometown ;-) Wish you a great time there!

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Post #4 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:35 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
But just a few days ago I was invited to attend due to my finishing place at the WAGC (I was 21st and the top 12 get invited so quite a few people above me couldn't go) and they pay my flights and accommodation which is cool.


Do you mean that the top 12 were offered a place before you, but at least 9 people declined the invitation?

In any case, congratulations on this great opportunity! I'm looking forward to following your game records!

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Post #5 Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:38 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
Do you mean that the top 12 were offered a place before you, but at least 9 people declined the invitation?

Presumably they offered the top 12 first, some of them declined so they offered the 13th, 14th, 15th etc until they got down to me at 21st and filled the 12 spaces.

I have now arrived in Xiamen, just as a typhoon is incoming. Below are photos of the entrants from the tournament program. As I suspected I am the lowest ranked (and 4th oldest!) so just winning one game will be a success. The online qualifier had 10 spaces for China (note Ma Tianfang, one of the top Chinese amateurs and probably a favourite even above Baoxiang Bai who won the WAGC; goratings.org #185 vs #222), 6 for Korea, and 4 for the world group all taken by Taiwan (including WAGC winner and EGC participant Chan Yi Tien).
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Post #6 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:24 am 
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That's great man, good luck!

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Post #7 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:41 am 
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Interesting that there is a simple divide between the two groups. All the Europeans are over 30, none of the Asians are. I guess you are over the hill in Asia if you are 30.

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Post #8 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:46 am 
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DrStraw wrote:
All the Europeans are over 30.
Except me, Andrii, Dusan and Stanislaw.

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Post #9 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:50 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
DrStraw wrote:
All the Europeans are over 30.
Except me, Andrii, Dusan and Stanislaw.


Sorry, I typed that backwards. It is still too early here. :)

I meant all those over 30 are Europeans. You are over 30 (30 point something) but I agree there are two who are not.

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Post #10 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:01 am 
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Post #11 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:06 am 
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Here's a few pictures from the opening ceremony. The top 4 players from WAGC were seeded, and we picked our numbers by choosing stones (with numbers under them) from a large magnetic demo board which had the first 32 moves of the famous Go Seigen (who was born nearby in Fujian province) vs Honinbo Shusai game. I got a Korean 7 dan as a nice easy warm up ;-) .
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Post #12 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:10 am 
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The VIP guest was 'Go Emperor' Nie Weiping 9p, probably the strongest player in the world in the late 1980s and famed for his excellent positional judgement (there was a nice tewari analysis from him to show that Lee Sedol's big corner result in AlphaGo game 5 was actually not good for him). I was pleased to see he looked in good health, I recall some pictures of him using an oxygen tank when he had health problems. Also Guo Yuehua who was multiple world table tennis champion who was apparently also a strong Go player and studied with Nie Weiping many years ago. Plus the usual presidents of various regional Go associations and sponsoring companies.
VIPs Nie Weiping 9p in the middle, to the right CEO of sponsor, Guo Yuehua, women who organised first women's pro league (Madam Ma?), 3 local go bigwigs (one on right was at WAGC in Wuxi), to the left Mr Li IGF secretary? (did the speech), Taiwanese Go association vice-president, maybe a pro too? (he's accompanied their players to many tournaments e.g. WMSG 2012), 3 more local go bigwigs or company bosses.
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European players; from left: Cristian Pop 7d (Romania), Dmitry Surin 6d (Russia), Stanislaw Frejlak 6d (Poland), Andrew Simons 4d (UK), Andrii Kravets 6d (Ukraine), Dusan Mitic 6d (Serbia), Csaba Mero 6d (Hungary).
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Post #13 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:53 am 
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DrStraw wrote:
I meant all those over 30 are Europeans.

Ah yes; there are 10 and 11 year-old Chinese players! Hu Yuqing 8d is a top Chinese amateur and over 30, but not here.

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Post #14 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:21 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
... Baoxiang Bai ...

wait... so the Chinese are allowing amateur 8d's now?

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Post #15 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:38 am 
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Thanks for the updates, Uberdude! I hope you play well and have fun. :-)

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Post #16 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:23 pm 
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xed_over wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
... Baoxiang Bai ...

wait... so the Chinese are allowing amateur 8d's now?


Amateur 8d's were originally awarded by Nihon Kiin, but I think the convention that the WAGC winners become amateur 8d has been adopted by Chinese for quite a few years:

http://senseis.xmp.net/?TopAmateurPlaye ... ntry#toc15

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Post #17 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:48 pm 
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Lost round 1 to Choi Woosoo 7d:



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Post #18 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:18 pm 
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I managed to get a decent night's sleep, undistrurbed by the typhoon which did rather a lot of damage overnight:
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A few other results: Kim Kibaek beat Cristian Pop, Bai lost by half a point (he had 184 stones chinese counting) to Korean Chang Hyungyu 6d, and Song Hongsuk 7d beat his Korean opponent.
Pop vs Kim with Bai vs Chang in background.
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White connected on the 2nd line, can you see how to save black's stones? (My opp Choi in background with glasses)
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Post #19 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:45 pm 
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Results of round 1 and pairing for round 2.
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Post #20 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:28 am 
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Lost my 2nd game against a Chinese 5d, but only by 2.5 points. Was probably leading a lot after killing a bunch of stones in the middle but played too safely (plus 1 blunder) in endgame so threw it away. Also didn't handle the n12 peep so well, that was a key point in the game.


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