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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #101 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:48 am 
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Now it's getting interesting! :D

Next maybe just capture the corner?
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X C X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #102 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:03 am 
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$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I got all this thickness, it'd be a real shame to just let it go. :) I don't see an easy way for White to live in the center without forcing me to capture the R14 stone, so the corner should die cleanly anyway.

Incidentally, maybe playing at Q18 was premature (move 57). It was probably bigger to reinforce the moyo somewhere. Oh well ...

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Offline Kirby
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Post #103 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:36 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61
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$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , 2 X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My first instinct was this:
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Somehow, it seems heavier, and gives me less options, though. Not really sure if what I played is best, but let's see what happens.

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 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #104 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:09 am 
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm looking forward to seeing how Kirby handles this situation. :)

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Post #105 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:36 am 
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why not?

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Post #106 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:31 pm 
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Kirby is throwing stones around, hoping one of them sticks. :) Should I respond or ignore?

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Post #107 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:23 pm 
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I am struggling to decide between "a" and "b." Both seem to be very good. Gotta do some more reading.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . a X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #108 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:52 am 
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$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I were in byo-yomi, I would simply extend at K16. However, given that there are no time limitations for this game, I don't mind playing a more complicated move. Whether the played move is actually objectively better than the solid K16 extension (or hane at K15 or M15) is not clear to me. One factor which influenced my decision is that White's D18 stone reduces the value of Black's moyo on the top edge.

Next, I expect White to play K16 himself, potentially trying to apply pressure against my five stones in the top-left. I plan to cross-cut in response.

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Post #109 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:36 pm 
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If I were playing white...
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[go]$$Bcm65
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$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . W . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #110 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:10 pm 
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In retrospect, the 51st move was unnecessarily greedy. Managing the moyo would have been much easier if I just pushed at R14. This is the move Takemiya style likely called for.
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O . .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

That said, the way the game has developed so far does not seem bad at all. If I am able to handle the present fight well enough, I'll have a significant lead.

Edit:
Likewise, I probably should have simply captured the R14 cutting stone on move 57 instead of playing at Q18. White would have lived in the corner, but the moyo would be immensely thick and I would have sente to reinforce it.
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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . , X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X C X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , . X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . 2 X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I recall someone saying that a move is sente if you hope your opponent ignores. I think my last play was sente :-)

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$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . O X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let the fun begin ... or, rather, continue! :D

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #113 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:27 pm 
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I'll think about this for a bit. I am in Black's area of influence, so I must expect for him to get points here and there.

My goals are to:
1.) Be light and flexible - I tend to make heavy shapes in these situations.
2.) Maximize my benefit in his area.

I'm not yet sure how I want to play here, yet, and I may take some time. I'll be with my son in the hospital for a little while, so it's not clear how much focus I can give the game in the near future.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #114 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:10 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
.... I'll be with my son in the hospital ...

:o :o

Is it ok to ask what put him there?

Whatever it is, I hope all goes well.
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Post #115 Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:09 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Kirby wrote:
.... I'll be with my son in the hospital ...

:o :o

Is it ok to ask what put him there?

Whatever it is, I hope all goes well.


:o

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 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #116 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm67
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . O X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . X O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . 2 . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Joaz:
I sent you a PM. I'm generally pretty transparent about my feelings and thoughts on this forum, but I guess it'd be pretty off-topic to delve into those details here.

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Post #117 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . O X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . 1 X O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . O . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Incidentally, if White extended to J16 instead, the Black L12 stone offered nice defensive possibilities, such as :b8: in the variation below.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . 4 5 . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . 1 O X 3 . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . X O 6 . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . 2 7 . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm8
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . X O . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . O O X O . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . X O X . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . . X O 1 . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . 3 2 4 5 . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . B 6 . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O 7 . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #225: The Intrepid vs Kirby: Takemiya Style
Post #118 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . O X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . 1 X O . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . . 2 O . . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So much for playing lightly. I think I don't understand the concept.

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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #119 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:30 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
So much for playing lightly. I think I don't understand the concept.


;) ;) ;)

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Post #120 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:57 pm 
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Well, I'm not seeing it (the tesuji which will suddenly cause me to lose the game). All I'm seeing is 5th-line territory coming my way (even if there is still the possibility of the sente monkey jump for White). However, the fact that Kirby's post gets liked by ez4u and that Bill makes a post right after this is making me nervous. The obvious move is simply to extend at "a", but perhaps I should calculate in depth other possibilities, such as "b" through "h." Maybe I'm the one who has a tesuji up his sleeve in this position. :)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------------------------
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . X O X . . .|
$$ |. . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O O O .|
$$ |. . O X . X . . . O X . . . . X X . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . a X X O c . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . O X . . . b O O d . . . . X O X .|
$$ |. . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O|
$$ |. . . . h . . f e . X . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . g . . X O . . . O X O .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . , O X . O . X O . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . X .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . , . . . . . O O O . . . X . . .|
$$ |. . . O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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