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Post #41 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:22 pm 
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Some PS/2 to USB adapters don't work with the Model M because it apparently draws more than the usual amount of power. There are various guides on the Internet that will direct you to the ones that work.

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:03 pm 
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I learned to touch-type a... er... few years ago, and I really like mechanical switch keyboards. For me, nothing else has the same decisive feel, and without it my error rate goes up measurably. My typing is quick and loud, just like me! My personal keyboard is a Matias Tactile Pro, though mine is an older model than the one now offered, and looks like this:

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For work on PCs I have a collection of IBM Model M keyboards. There has never been a better keyboard.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:41 pm 
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Post #44 Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:51 pm 
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So, I've got a bit of a funny keyboard story. Some of you might be aware of it by now, but it deserves a telling in full. While was was watching the GSL Starcraft 2 finals, I saw the grand champion, Fruit Dealer, using a piece of equipment that was very familiar to me. I posted a screenshot earlier in the thread.

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In fact, I had originally posted a thread on the Starcraft fourum, teamliquid.net, which I think is what prompted Araban to start this thread here. It actually got a pretty big response, going on for 12 pages so far. The mouse and the apple in the picture were also identified. Some other people noted that sSKS (AKA Tester) was spotted with the same keyboard, and CheckPrime was seen with a pink Filco (yes, they made pink ones at one point). This includes members of teams sponsored by other keyboard companies.

I also posted a thread on geekhack.org for serious keyboard geeks. Very serious keyboard geeks. They have a keyboard problem. Of course, half of them own the same keyboard (or a very similar model), because it's one of the nicest mechanical keyboards on the market today.

As it turns out, Filco keyboards can only be purchased from a single distributor in North America, elitekeyboards.com. And given Fruit Dealer's Cinderalla story, there was more than a little bit of interest in their wares. If you check out their product page for 104-key Filco Majestouch keyboards, you can see that they're sold out of Fruit Dealer's model, and three similar ones. They had stock as recently as last week when I ordered a second one for myself to use at work.

Geekhack.org members noticed:

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1) the player "fruit dealer" wins the starcraft 2 GSL tournament
2) keyboard otaku points out the keyboard he is using
3) everybody conga cojones
4) rich brian

Yes, they're on a first name basis with the owner of Elitekeyboards.com. I said they have a problem, didn't I?

Anyhow, is it too late to ask for royalties?

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Post #45 Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:52 am 
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Speaking of which, after finding out that not only is what I remember using not a Model-M but a Model-F, more reading told me that people prefer the Model-F springs to the Model-M!

So until I find a cheap Model-F on eBay or Goodwill or something, I've ordered a Filco with "Cherry blue" switches to tide me over.

Fwiffo! What have you done to me?! More particularly my wallet?!

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Post #46 Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:32 pm 
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And it looks like another well-known SC2 figure is a fan, I mean look at the way he's tapping his Hatchery hotkey: http://i.imgur.com/s3QlD.jpg

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Post #47 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:33 pm 
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I'm a huge fan of the wired Apple keyboards, though. Bizarrely enough, I use and love both Apple keyboards and Microsoft mice; I just wish that both companies would stick to what they're good at and stop dabbling in software. ;)

I use the Apple keyboard at work and at home if I'm in the mood to have a "proper" setup. Most of the time, though, I just use the built-in keyboard on my Thinkpad (X201) because I enjoy having an uncluttered desk with just the laptop on it.

I've always been lucky enough to enjoy typing on laptop keyboards, starting on a Toshiba Portege at school. That was also the time when I forced myself to forget my self-taught typing style and learn correct touch-typing; it took a few weeks and was worth every minute.

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Post #48 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:16 pm 
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Post #49 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:02 am 
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I particularly like the blank keyboard palapiku posted!

I've been using the Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard at my work now for about 6 months.
The space bar drove me crazy for a few months while I whacked the stiffness out of it, but now it works just fine.

My hands and wrists feel so relaxed using this type of split keyboard. I'm pretty happy that I switched instead of using the factory Dell keyboards everyone gets stuck with here.

The extra features are all pretty useless though, like most keyboards.

I would learn Dvorak if I didn't have to use Airline software. It was hard enough learning those wacky input formulas as it is.

Anyone here have complete fluency between both typing styles (Dvorak and Qwerty)?

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Post #50 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:22 am 
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If was going to switch layouts, it would be to Colemak. But I use vim, which isn't really compatible with non Qwerty layouts at all.

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Post #51 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:10 pm 
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Post #52 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Koosh wrote:
Anyone here have complete fluency between both typing styles (Dvorak and Qwerty)?

I probably could if I tried, but I've been consciously avoiding Dvorak to make the switch to QWERTY less painful. And I'm not *entirely* fluent with QWERTY I guess (particularly having problems with g and h for some reason).

I can tell you Dvorak is indeed much nicer. QWERTY has some common and very annoying combinations, like 'rt' or 'be'. There's appreciably less finger movement and awkward stretches with Dvorak.

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I have the roll up keyboard!!! Mine is black though...

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Post #54 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:14 pm 
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If was going to switch layouts, it would be to Colemak. But I use vim, which isn't really compatible with non Qwerty layouts at all.

Sure it is. I used it with Dvorak for years.

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Post #55 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:38 pm 
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How do you hjkl with hjkl in the wrong place?

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Post #56 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:45 pm 
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How do you hjkl with hjkl in the wrong place?

How do you hjkl with hjkl in the wrong place?


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Post #57 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:07 pm 
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Um, they're the direction keys in vim, and they're adjacent on qwerty and all over the place on Dvorak... It's like having your arrow keys scattered around your keyboard.

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hjkl being physically adjacent doesn't really help in any way.

Qwerty makes it worse in my opinion. Why isn't it at least jkl; ? Are you supposed to move your entire hand left if you want to use all four? What a joke.

hjkl on dvorak is very intuitive: up and down are on one hand and close to one another. Left and right are on the other hand, left is on the left and right is on the right. Dvorak successfully does its intended function of splitting the workload between the two hands.

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Post #59 Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:50 am 
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I've switched from the German layout to the US layout because the layout of the special characters is lacking in the German layout. And as a programmer I need them all the time.
While I like the new layout better it has the big disadvantage that typing on other peoples computers is painful. So I'm not sure if it was the right decision.

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Post #60 Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:50 am 
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palapiku wrote:
Qwerty makes it worse in my opinion. Why isn't it at least jkl; ? Are you supposed to move your entire hand left if you want to use all four? What a joke.


Strike all four at once? Yes, that would require moving your hand...

Seriously, I'm not quite sure what you mean or why you say it. Could you clarify?

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