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Post #21 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:51 am 
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Not looking at the question correctly?

My answer is that if the game had developed in the West its name and terms (today) would be some corruption of the name of the game and terms used in the language of the people who developed the game. If 3000 years ago, even in the West that might not even be a language of the Indo-European language group as just arriving in Europe about then. Was it an Etruscan game? A Basque game? A gane of a people whose language we now know of only be the preservation of a few words that were terms of this game?

Why would you think the situation would be different than for chess? We call the game "chess" and not "kings" (and here we are still within the same language family). We say "checkmate" not "the king is dead". We still call the piece at the corners of the back row a "rook" ("rukh").

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:54 am 
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1) Fences and Ladders
2) Don't Block Me Bro! (if developed in the past 5 years)
3) Snobby game #2 that only idiot-savants and layabouts can play well

The first comes from my elevator-pitch answer to "How do you play this?". Goes like this:

This is an empty field and we are both running fence to see who can get the most. The stones are the fenceposts and you fill in the fence when you get pushed. To keep it interesting (and not turn into "My side, your side") you can pull out the posts if you surround them yourself.

Kinda rural-based, but seems to get the idea across to most people quickly. Feel free to use at your leisure. Any talk of "eyes" or "living groups" comes later.

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:10 am 
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Post #24 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:58 am 
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But "stone field" is a good one too :)

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Post #25 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:50 pm 
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Post #26 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:05 pm 
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Post #27 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:19 pm 
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I'm partial to "Stone Field" myself.

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Post #28 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:34 pm 
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Post #29 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:10 pm 
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It should be called Wurple, then it would rhyme with purple.

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Post #30 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:42 pm 
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Landjepik. As fas as Westerners have a command of Dutch. The word means land lifting ( or stealing ) and it is the name of an almost forgotten dutch game. The game was very popular among Western countries during colonialism. The children's game was played by throwing pocket knifes into the ground, the direction in which they settled into the ground defined new borders between territories. The knifes came in handy for solving other disputes as well.


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Post #31 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:36 am 
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cyclops wrote:
Landjepik. As fas as Westerners have a command of Dutch. The word means land lifting ( or stealing ) and it is the name of an almost forgotten dutch game. The game was very popular among Western countries during colonialism. The children's game was played by throwing pocket knifes into the ground, the direction in which they settled into the ground defined new borders between territories. The knifes came in handy for solving other disputes as well.


We played a game called "Länder mausen" (that is the same name), but with sticks. As this involved throwing them after other children I very much doubt this variant was played with knives anywhere else. :) Its popularity wasn't limited to colonial times either (I played it in the 80s and 90s). I wouldn't be surprised at all if it is still played although the entertainment industry is working hard to make children unable to play games without buying equipment. + It isn't worse than all those "postcolonial" conquest games children play on computers.

I like the agricultural theme of Baghwan. I somewhere read a text that compared the grid of the goban to field patterns in an irrigation agriculture.

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Post #32 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:01 am 
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As a linguist(tics major), this is the type of question i could spend way too much time thinking about. It occurs to me that what sets go apart from other games is there a bit of gentlemanliness about it (sorry to be male-centric) in that a refined player is not aiming for total domination, merely one more point than the other. Therefore I would lean towards names with that general idea, such as

half plus one
simple majority
one more

Of course,those all sound terribly boring, because in English, given the language's history, we have a passion for loan word appropriation to the extent that English words as names often sound mundane, so you would have to translate that into, say, swahili, where you come up with the following:

moja
wengi

In any event, anything would've been better than "go," which not only sounds pedestrian, but, as anyone looking through the android market place can attest, causes needless confusion.

In all serious tho, I think I like stone field or hegemon.


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Post #33 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:15 am 
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Post #34 Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:53 pm 
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I would favor "go, the game of stone swords", shortening over time to "stone swords", and then "stones".

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Post #36 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:33 am 
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Post #37 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:46 am 
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Mike Novack wrote:
Why would you think the situation would be different than for chess? We call the game "chess" and not "kings" (and here we are still within the same language family).


It's only "chess" in English. In many European languages, the name is much closer to the original. In German, for example, it is called "Schach", which is almost identical with the Persian name ("schah", king), and somewhat similar to the Arab version ("schatrandsch").

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Post #38 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:47 am 
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The original poster asked about western names, but so far the answers have been about European languages, such as English, German, Dutch. None of the western languages have really been considered.

So what would it be in Navajo, Penutian or Nahuatl?

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Post #39 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:17 pm 
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The original poster asked about western names, but so far the answers have been about European languages, such as English, German, Dutch. None of the western languages have really been considered.

So what would it be in Navajo, Penutian or Nahuatl?


Well, in Navajo, it'd be called "checkerboard," the white player would called "Bia" and komi would be the white player's "Dawes allotment." More seriously, the concept of hozro or hozho, not sure the spelling, would cover the balance aspects of the game very nicely, just not the part where one player wins by crunching the other.

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Post #40 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:22 pm 
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It occurs to me that what sets go apart from other games is there a bit of gentlemanliness about it (sorry to be male-centric) in that a refined player is not aiming for total domination, merely one more point than the other.

The word you're looking for is "gentility".


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