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by Simba
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: What went wrong with AlphaGo ?
Replies: 57
Views: 32664

Re: What went wrong with AlphaGo ?

BGA membership is a poor metric to use for go popularity.

People become members of something because they feel it presents enough value to be worth it.

From the mid-2000s onwards, with places like KGS becoming accessible and popular, the draw of national go associations decreased if they didn't ...
by Simba
Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:18 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

I'm going to step out of things at this point; the main reason I came onto here was to highlight the censorship and make sure that the Reddit thread was in everyone's awareness. I'm satisfied that this has been done at this point. I hope that appropriate lessons have been learnt by the ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:55 pm
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

I quickly reviewed your game with Leela Zero to check out some of your sentences. Surprisingly I saw that White made a huge blunder with the move 74, and after sacrificing his group with the 76-82 sequence you were in a solid winning position according to LZ.

This is very contradictory compared to ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:54 pm
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

This post from reddit strikes me as a crock of shite.
Yes, CM could have cheated, but then why tell people about it. Is the allegation that the entire Italian squad was complicit, if so then doesn't that strike you as slightly beyond belief.

People who have done wrong often confide in someone, to ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

i think i read thing properly, so to answer to your two remarks which for me are the same:
The very difficult problem here is to create a situation where the best move of Leela Zero is a game over for Leela 0.11.
But to find it in a existing game is a completely different task.
Because we are just ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A


Yes, the odds against all of those things happening are quite large. That is true of many coincidences, as well. :)

What do you feel are acceptable odds against which an innocent player must not be found guilty? 10:1? 100:1? We're so far above those numbers at this point.

May I refer you to ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:23 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

BTW when we were analyzing suspicious games, we spoke what was most suspicious in them.
Moves? No, it was possible he found them, they were not moves from god.
But one thing was heavily felt: one side had no chances. They did not have a chance during entire game, and even against a pro you will ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:50 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

You can only multiply 40%, 10%, 1%, 0.05% and so on so many times before you end up getting something ridiculously unlikely.

So far no one has proposed a convincing calculation. I would be convinced if someone came up with a precise figure like "there is a probability less than 1/100000 that he ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:30 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A


Yes, the odds against all of those things happening are quite large. That is true of many coincidences, as well. :)

What do you feel are acceptable odds against which an innocent player must not be found guilty? 10:1? 100:1? We're so far above those numbers at this point.

http://www.duhaime.org ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:47 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

I'm confused about the reddit post that was linked. Does that thread refer to the game from Nov 2017? Back then, LZ was about 20 kyu at best. Also, I think Leela 0.11 was not out yet? If that's right, then the reddit post is clearly a troll.

No, it's referring to http://pandanet-igs.com/system ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:46 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A



Although you are apparently English I have absolutely no idea who you are, nor do I know CM or whether he cheated or not, so this is in no way meant to be personal. But as a player in the match you would appear to have a unique vantage point, and so if you would be willing to share your personal ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:43 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

What you say about the intensity you and others feel for these games and about how suspicions arise tells us a lot about how future events should be organised and supervised. Much more so than any other post I've seen.

Maybe something that has been glossed over thus far is that for those of us ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:57 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

This is not an open forum, it is a moderated forum. IMO it is entirely appropriate for the admins not to publish anonymous, unsubstantiated accusations here. I took a look just now at the post on reddit, and the accuser says that he sent that message to the European League organizers. I feel ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:25 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

but its 200 moves to check versus one, not polynomial versus exponential add to that he have just to deeply check the moves moves who are not in in top3 leela's choice(which in a classic game is only 30% of the moves).
On a small amount the difference P vs NP is irrelevant.

Your argument is ...
by Simba
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:52 am
Forum: General Go Chat
Topic: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A”
Replies: 719
Views: 452122

Re: “Decision: case of using computer assistance in League A

Okay, I've kept quiet for long enough. I was hoping not to have to get involved, but I will speak up clearly at this point because I feel I need to.

I was Metta's opponent in his play-off game (Italy vs England) for promotion to league A.

I want to make it very clear, in no uncertain terms ...