Life In 19x19

The other non-Main-Semeai variations

The other non-Main-Semeai variations still have a long way to go before consolidation, as the board is much emptier / more open and there are therefore many more variations to investigate.

8 generations of the 28b-net after #59 ...

dany wrote:So in any case Main-Semeai will be choosen not non-Main-Semeai variations

Really?
The further course of the Main Semeai does NOT match the historical meaning of the title of the problem given by Inoue Dôsetsu Inseki.

Sorry for playing the noob.
Some trivial help below ...

$$Bm135
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . X . X O . . . O . O . . O X . |
$$ | . . X 8 . X O . O O O X O . O . . O . |
$$ | . X O O X X . O . . . X O O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X 9 0 O . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | X ...

The other non-Main-Semeai variations

The other non-Main-Semeai variations still have a long way to go before consolidation, as the board is much emptier / more open and there are therefore many more variations to investigate.


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$$B ...

082_E15
Both side's option for returning to the Main Semeai

In this non-Main-Semeai Variation, both sides may cooperate to return to the Main Semeai.

$$Bm83
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . X O O . X O X O . . O ...

082_E15

$$Bm75
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . X O # @ . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . X @ . . W O . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . . . O . X . O O B . . . |
$$ | . . X X Q X 2 O O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . X ...

084_E15

$$Bm77
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . X O @ W @ . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . X # @ . # O . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . . . O . X . O O B . . . |
$$ | . . X X Q X 2 O O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . X ...

60b28bMistakes.jpg
This diagram shows the development of the number of mistakes when following the favoured moves in Sabaki's ANALYSIS mode (starting from the problem diagram) over the version / generation of KataGo's net.
Blue is 60b, red is 28b.

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In the non-Main-Semeai ...

Anything when you search for something larger than one local LD problem. E.g., when you do a whole board search. In particular then minimum number of visits per second.
For the games between 60b/28b and 40b are combined:
Colours: 40b = Black / 40b = White
Thinking time: 60s/45s and 30s / 10s/7 ...

RobertJasiek wrote:What hardware, libraries and software have you been using for Katago? What is your current minimum number of visits per second? How much time have you let Katago search?

What task do you have in mind here?

Do I understand it correctly that the problem is still far from being solved?
What do you understand by "solved"?

Karl's training of his 40b network and my training of the (initially) 60b network (later 28b) followed completely different philosophies.
Nevertheless, all came to an identical result ...

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$$Bm83
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O . X O f W b . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . X c d . a O . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . . . O . X . O O B . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O . O X X . X X O O ...

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$$Wm88
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . 5 . . . . . . . X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . 6 2 1 . X O O . X O X O . . O . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 X . O . . . X O . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . . . O . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X X O O O . O X X . X X O O ...

In May 2024, I started training a 28b network using the training data previously generated by the 60b network.
In July 2024, the 28b network had caught up (after a good 140 generations), so the self-play with the 60b network was terminated and continued with the 40b network.

In October 2024, I then ...

RobertJasiek wrote:What is the price? What is the format in cm?

39,74 €
21,59 x 2,9 x 27,94 cm